Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
Discussion
Fermit said:
Escy. How much of a big job would an engine transplant using a similar motor be? Say a BMW 320d engine, or whatever has similar mounting points, etc. Sure, it would be a task, but TBH you're currently facing a pretty gargantuan one with the current Jag engine.
Huge job, not close to feasible on something this modern. I also want it up and running by the end of the month. Escy said:
Fermit said:
Escy. How much of a big job would an engine transplant using a similar motor be? Say a BMW 320d engine, or whatever has similar mounting points, etc. Sure, it would be a task, but TBH you're currently facing a pretty gargantuan one with the current Jag engine.
Huge job, not close to feasible on something this modern. I also want it up and running by the end of the month. Are you having new liners fitted?
What was the one replacement liner like?
With all you have found part of me thinks the failure was not down to one thing but a combination. Silicone snake restricting oil flow, blocked DPF etc.
I say that as a complete guess as opposed to having any actual knowledge.
The cam wear is odd why just that lobe?
What was the one replacement liner like?
With all you have found part of me thinks the failure was not down to one thing but a combination. Silicone snake restricting oil flow, blocked DPF etc.
I say that as a complete guess as opposed to having any actual knowledge.
The cam wear is odd why just that lobe?
FourGears said:
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The cam wear is odd why just that lobe?
Given the rumours about general poor quality of these engines, the odd cam wear could be just poor quality manufacture (uneven case hardening for example).The cam wear is odd why just that lobe?
Or as others have said, a metal particle trapped in the oil, which found it's way to that exact spot and caused the damage - I would have thought it needed to be a hard particle though.
carinaman said:
Escy said:
Fermit said:
Escy. How much of a big job would an engine transplant using a similar motor be? Say a BMW 320d engine, or whatever has similar mounting points, etc. Sure, it would be a task, but TBH you're currently facing a pretty gargantuan one with the current Jag engine.
Huge job, not close to feasible on something this modern. I also want it up and running by the end of the month. Big change of direction!
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
Escy said:
Big change of direction!
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
Possibly the best option here.. This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
Tremendous thread.
Ive been in similar situations before where each option presented to me had pros / cons. Glad you went down a replacement engine as the original one had too many issues / risks.
Are you going to rip apart the replace engine and check all is well ? Whilst out I would probably double check the engine is healthy first as several replacement engines in my past, that had low mileage, where rubbish.
I hope the car gods shed some luck on you as you clearly deserve it. :-)
Keep going, be worth it in the end.
Oh yes, how come the drivers side carpet / sill is all torn up ?
Simon
Ive been in similar situations before where each option presented to me had pros / cons. Glad you went down a replacement engine as the original one had too many issues / risks.
Are you going to rip apart the replace engine and check all is well ? Whilst out I would probably double check the engine is healthy first as several replacement engines in my past, that had low mileage, where rubbish.
I hope the car gods shed some luck on you as you clearly deserve it. :-)
Keep going, be worth it in the end.
Oh yes, how come the drivers side carpet / sill is all torn up ?
Simon
Escy said:
Big change of direction!
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
As long as it's not from a place near Heathrow you've probably picked the right option This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
Escy said:
Big change of direction!
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
A very sensible move.This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
The bit that surprises me is you refer to the F-Pace as being horizontally mounted, which I would know as longitudinal. Does that me the E-Pace is vertical/transverse? If so, that’s a surprise I thought the E-Pace and F-Pace were fundamentally the same car, not completely different. It’s not really a surprise Jaguar don’t make money when they are doing things like that.
Megaflow said:
A very sensible move.
The bit that surprises me is you refer to the F-Pace as being horizontally mounted, which I would know as longitudinal. Does that me the E-Pace is vertical/transverse? If so, that’s a surprise I thought the E-Pace and F-Pace were fundamentally the same car, not completely different. It’s not really a surprise Jaguar don’t make money when they are doing things like that.
E-Pace is a The bit that surprises me is you refer to the F-Pace as being horizontally mounted, which I would know as longitudinal. Does that me the E-Pace is vertical/transverse? If so, that’s a surprise I thought the E-Pace and F-Pace were fundamentally the same car, not completely different. It’s not really a surprise Jaguar don’t make money when they are doing things like that.
Escy said:
Big change of direction!
This morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
This has got to be the sane way forward; one piece of swarf doesn't get blown out of an oilway on the rebuild of the old one and you're back to square oneThis morning I bought a used engine at a decent price. £2500. It's from an E-Pace, 2018, 31k miles. It's always a roll of the dice on a used engine, but I'm hopeful with that mileage although I have seen cases of JLR replacing engines that have failed with less!
The engine comes fully dressed up, all ancillaries, turbo, etc. The F-Pace is horizontally mounted so I'll need to change everything over but I've been told the blocks are the same.
I've been running the numbers and this is going to be cheaper than fixing my engine. I'll have parts to sell from this engine and from my old engine. My fag packet maths is
250 turbo
300 injectors
75 HP fuel pump
200 cylinder head
100 cam
50 sump
500 block (after re-hone)
Some will be more, some less, I'll also have lots of solenoids and stuff to sell. These numbers put me at £1025 for the replacement engine.
The cost to fix my current engine is looking like
850 - Turner engineering (rods, pistons, gasket set, oil cooler, etc)
400 - crank regrind with bearings (that's a rough guess and assuming the crank is serviceable, if not it'd be about £600)
So I'd be spending £1250+ to fix the current engine, more if I change the exhaust cam.
So it's looking like a no brainer, a replacement engine will work out cheaper, I'll be able to get it in and running much faster, no risk of getting something wrong/missing something and ending up with another failure. I feel much happier with this direction.
Just need to sort out collecting the engine now, it's in London.
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