Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[Craikeybaby]

E Pace is based off the Evoque platform, F Pace is based off the XE platform.

[irish boy]

Brilliant thread, all the best with the new engine.

I’m too scared to buy a 2.0 ingenium engine. But wouldn’t be if I had your mechanical skills/bravery.

[What The Deuces]

Good move on the used engine. Much less risky. Good luck

[Patrick1964]

irish boy said:

Brilliant thread, all the best with the new engine.

I’m too scared to buy a 2.0 ingenium engine. But wouldn’t be if I had your mechanical skills/bravery.

I think that if this thread has convinced me of anything, it's that I wouldn't touch anything with this engine even if I did have the OP's abilities. Hateful engines. Shame, as I have a FL2 and would happily buy a Disco Sport to replace it if the engines were not so terrrible.

[Gtom]

Patrick1964 said:

irish boy said:

Brilliant thread, all the best with the new engine.

I’m too scared to buy a 2.0 ingenium engine. But wouldn’t be if I had your mechanical skills/bravery.

I think that if this thread has convinced me of anything, it's that I wouldn't touch anything with this engine even if I did have the OP's abilities. Hateful engines. Shame, as I have a FL2 and would happily buy a Disco Sport to replace it if the engines were not so terrrible.

My old man bought a 2017 discovery sport 6 months ago despite me pleading with him not to. He had a new battery on it a few weeks ago because it kept warning him that the battery was going flat and right now his is driving to a Land Rover specialist because….. it keeps warning him that the battery is going flat.

[RicksAlfas]

Patrick1964 said:

I think that if this thread has convinced me of anything, it's that I wouldn't touch anything with this engine even if I did have the OP's abilities. Hateful engines. Shame, as I have a FL2 and would happily buy a Disco Sport to replace it if the engines were not so terrrible.

A pal of mine lives in Germany and has had two Discovery Sports. He's done 125,000kms in both with no bother at all.
I wonder if too many UK ones get used for lots of short urban journeys and never get properly up to temperature?

[Megaflow]

mat205125 said:

Megaflow said:

A very sensible move.

The bit that surprises me is you refer to the F-Pace as being horizontally mounted, which I would know as longitudinal. Does that me the E-Pace is vertical/transverse? If so, that’s a surprise I thought the E-Pace and F-Pace were fundamentally the same car, not completely different. It’s not really a surprise Jaguar don’t make money when they are doing things like that.

E-Pace is a Freelander Discovery Sport platform, isn't it?

Ah, that makes sense now.

[Haltamer]

Have a look at the VCT Solenoids on each mounted at the back of the block.

There was a design reivision 2019 / 2020ish with a recall that didn't really get carried out in the UK.

I did a quick replacement guide that has the new / old part side by side, part number is in white on the new parts and there are 3 oil passages rather than one:
https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/how-to-replace...

Another bit you may find useful (Though you seem to have it all together anyway!) is the service manual for the Ingenium 2l Petrol, https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/service-manual...

Once you have it all together it'd be worth getting a PCM update, I've seen a number of people remark on the improvement (And know of a couple of issues that are solved) with the updates - Seems they sold the cars before they finished the engine development :P

[irish boy]

Gtom said:

My old man bought a 2017 discovery sport 6 months ago despite me pleading with him not to. He had a new battery on it a few weeks ago because it kept warning him that the battery was going flat and right now his is driving to a Land Rover specialist because….. it keeps warning him that the battery is going flat.

All things considered, he’s doing very well.

[dhibbert]

Gtom said:

My old man bought a 2017 discovery sport 6 months ago despite me pleading with him not to. He had a new battery on it a few weeks ago because it kept warning him that the battery was going flat and right now his is driving to a Land Rover specialist because….. it keeps warning him that the battery is going flat.

Had similar on a Range Rover, had it into 3 'specialists' over several months before the last one managed to diagnose one of the door handles kept reactivating and draining the battery. The other places just kept saying the (new) battery was defective. Good luck whatever it is and sorry for the derail.

[stevemcs]

I have randomly picked a 2018 E and F pace from the interweb, both 180ps versions

It does list a different part number for the block but the part number for the head appears to be the same

[url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/DALkouEc[/url]

[Escy]

sbk1972 said:

Are you going to rip apart the replace engine and check all is well ? Whilst out I would probably double check the engine is healthy first as several replacement engines in my past, that had low mileage, where rubbish.

I hope the car gods shed some luck on you as you clearly deserve it. :-)

Keep going, be worth it in the end.

Oh yes, how come the drivers side carpet / sill is all torn up ?

Simon

I'd be taking the sump off and the covers on the back of the engine during the process of swapping the parts over so I will have a decent idea how it is but I'm not planning on removing rod caps or anything like that.

If you are referring to the carpet in the rear, it looks like someone spilled some emulsion. I think that'll come out easily with the right equipment.

Megaflow said:

A very sensible move.

The bit that surprises me is you refer to the F-Pace as being horizontally mounted, which I would know as longitudinal. Does that me the E-Pace is vertical/transverse? If so, that’s a surprise I thought the E-Pace and F-Pace were fundamentally the same car, not completely different. It’s not really a surprise Jaguar don’t make money when they are doing things like that.

I made a mistake, trying on a work break and didn't read it back before posting. I meant the E-Pace is horizontally mounted, the F-Pace is longitudinal. The E-Pace is an Evoque chassis.

Haltamer said:

Have a look at the VCT Solenoids on each mounted at the back of the block.

Once you have it all together it'd be worth getting a PCM update, I've seen a number of people remark on the improvement (And know of a couple of issues that are solved) with the updates - Seems they sold the cars before they finished the engine development :P

Thank you for this reply, informative and something I wasn't aware of. I'll definitely check this out.

Regarding the PCM update, is it something you need to go to JLR for? Now I've had the ECU re-mapped, will be be an issue for the update?

[Escy]

stevemcs said:

I have randomly picked a 2018 E and F pace from the interweb, both 180ps versions

It does list a different part number for the block but the part number for the head appears to be the same

Thank you for looking into this, it was a concern I had. I asked QP Online who A.J.M. mentioned are a JLR specialist (their facebook page is full of dead Ingenium engines) if the block is the same, they told me they are so I considered this good enough to pull the trigger.

You've got me a little worried now!?

[Megaflow]

stevemcs said:

I have randomly picked a 2018 E and F pace from the interweb, both 180ps versions

It does list a different part number for the block but the part number for the head appears to be the same

[url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/DALkouEc[/url]

I would strongly suspect, given that head is the same, that there is something sub assembled to the block before Jaguar buy it that drives the difference, and can more than likely be swapped from the dead engine

[paradigital]

Megaflow said:

I would strongly suspect, given that head is the same, that there is something sub assembled to the block before Jaguar buy it that drives the difference, and can more than likely be swapped from the dead engine

But, given the difference in application (transverse vs longitudinal), it could also be something in the casting regarding, say, engine mount location or how it attaches to the bell housing of a likely very differently shaped gearbox.

It’s just as possible that it’s something movable, like a different set of holes are plugged, but without knowing for sure, it’s an expensive gamble.

I’d want to be 100% certain that it’s going to fit before parting with the cash, especially given how close to the wire this project already is with regards to financial feasibility.

Edited by paradigital on Wednesday 4th January 19:36

[stevemcs]

Megaflow said:

I would strongly suspect, given that head is the same, that there is something sub assembled to the block before Jaguar buy it that drives the difference, and can more than likely be swapped from the dead engine

I,d agree, the number isn’t massively different, it just referred to the example I looked at as high torque 430nm, (F Pace)

I didn’t get chance to spend much time going through everything I just looked at the two big lumps

if you know the reg of the dead E Pace I can try and have another look The other thing we find with the system we use when it comes to JLR is if a part has been revised or superseded it doesn’t tell us which is different to all other manufactures on parts link.

I,m pretty sure you will be ok. If you need any other numbers let us know.

[littlebasher]

Haltamer said:

Have a look at the VCT Solenoids on each mounted at the back of the block.

There was a design reivision 2019 / 2020ish with a recall that didn't really get carried out in the UK.

I did a quick replacement guide that has the new / old part side by side, part number is in white on the new parts and there are 3 oil passages rather than one:
https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/how-to-replace...

Another bit you may find useful (Though you seem to have it all together anyway!) is the service manual for the Ingenium 2l Petrol, https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/service-manual...

Once you have it all together it'd be worth getting a PCM update, I've seen a number of people remark on the improvement (And know of a couple of issues that are solved) with the updates - Seems they sold the cars before they finished the engine development :P

Escy's is a diesel (unless i've missed something!)

[tvrfan007]

I would expect the difference will be the engine mounts and their interface with the block and or the adaptor plate for the transverse box, not so much the ancillaries that bolt on. The nature of mass production dictates that you change as little as possible and be as flexible as possible.

Take your catalogue of pictures from strip down, understand how the engine mounts bolt onto the block and where. You might have all the parts on your old engine, but are the holes present, drilled and tapped out in the new block? The rest I would imagine is resolvable as long as the lump slots in and hangs.

[Court_S]

The new (used) engine sounds like the way forward given the ongoing issues you were finding with the damaged one.

[Craikeybaby]

Escy said:

Thank you for this reply, informative and something I wasn't aware of. I'll definitely check this out.

Regarding the PCM update, is it something you need to go to JLR for? Now I've had the ECU re-mapped, will be be an issue for the update?

I expect that even if the JLR software would allow you update a modified ECU (it shouldn't), an update would likely wipe the changes you have made.