Lexus V8 with NOS in a Renault Espace - yeah lets do it !
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Nope, once you cut a chassis rail, which on a monocoque is pretty much all of it, then you're into SVA/IVA i'm afraid.
I was reading up on this last night, as I'm idly contemplating turning my ratty old Disco into a LR Hybrid/Special/D100 (Disco chassis with shortened 110 body). Presumably you can cut a chassis to let in repair panels, such as when there's rot in a sill? I know this goes on all the time, but I'm assuming that since it's not part of a radical alteration, that it flies below the IVA regulations.
I know it wouldn't apply to my idea ref the Disco above, as it'd need the chassis modifying (and thus probably end up on a 'Q' plate), but I was wondering what the case for repairs would be, and presumed no one in any kind of authority is really that interested.
Super Slo Mo said:
Max_Torque said:
Nope, once you cut a chassis rail, which on a monocoque is pretty much all of it, then you're into SVA/IVA i'm afraid.
I was reading up on this last night, as I'm idly contemplating turning my ratty old Disco into a LR Hybrid/Special/D100 (Disco chassis with shortened 110 body). Presumably you can cut a chassis to let in repair panels, such as when there's rot in a sill? I know this goes on all the time, but I'm assuming that since it's not part of a radical alteration, that it flies below the IVA regulations.
I know it wouldn't apply to my idea ref the Disco above, as it'd need the chassis modifying (and thus probably end up on a 'Q' plate), but I was wondering what the case for repairs would be, and presumed no one in any kind of authority is really that interested.
Max_Torque said:
Repairs, to match the original layout and design are obviously allowed (although those repairs must be of sufficient quality obviously, i.e. same thickness material to the same shape with decent welding etc). Any mod that changes the shape or layout of the chassis however is now tecnically going to require a test. For example, bobtailing your disco as you mention, even though in reality, shortening the rear chassis and fitting a defender rear cross member just turns the chassis into a defender one pretty much! In the old days, as long as no fraud was attempted (i.e trying to disguise a vehicles age or history etc, then that sort of thing was just ignored)
It wouldn't really be bobtailed would it? I'd assume the defender rear tub needs shortening forward of the wheel arch, but behind the rear wheels the overhang is similar to a 110? Admittedly I haven't had the tape measure out yet, but they look similar at first glance. Obviously the rear cross member is different, but replacement Land Rover ones are easy to get hold of as they seem to be one of the areas where the chassis rots. It'd also need new front outriggers as far as I can tell. Either way, it's going to need IVA'ing.
Super Slo Mo said:
It wouldn't really be bobtailed would it? I'd assume the defender rear tub needs shortening forward of the wheel arch, but behind the rear wheels the overhang is similar to a 110? Admittedly I haven't had the tape measure out yet, but they look similar at first glance. Obviously the rear cross member is different, but replacement Land Rover ones are easy to get hold of as they seem to be one of the areas where the chassis rots. It'd also need new front outriggers as far as I can tell.
Either way, it's going to need IVA'ing.
slight OT swerve: Unfortunately the shape of the rear chassis behind the rear most cross member/stiffener above the rear axle is completely different on the RR/Disco chassis to the Defender one. To get the Defender cross member to fit(properly) you will have to pretty much chop off the chassis at that point and built a horizontal box section backwards towards the cross member. Also, if you are going to built a hybrid, you might as well take advantage of the potential shorter rear overhang whilst you are there!Either way, it's going to need IVA'ing.
Max_Torque said:
slight OT swerve: Unfortunately the shape of the rear chassis behind the rear most cross member/stiffener above the rear axle is completely different on the RR/Disco chassis to the Defender one. To get the Defender cross member to fit(properly) you will have to pretty much chop off the chassis at that point and built a horizontal box section backwards towards the cross member. Also, if you are going to built a hybrid, you might as well take advantage of the potential shorter rear overhang whilst you are there!
I see, didn't know that. Cheers for the info. It's just an idea at the moment, Disco body is doing the usual Disco thing, as in, rotting in all the usual places, and it's a toss up between dragging the welder out and fixing it up, turning it into a hybrid, or going a bit mad and making a Tomcat out of it, although that might stretch my budget too far.
Anyway, perhaps we shouldn't take up too much of the OP's thread
h this year..
Hi and thanks to everybody for the positive comments , there is for sure a long way to go but working on one car has to be easier than working on two !
In response to working on the engine - well .........er ........ they are very very reliable and I can just about get to most of it , but i will deal with problems if and when they arise , if the engine needs to come out one day , then so be it - I'm sure where there's a will there's a way .
Its funny how many of you mentioned the lexus wheels , the day I posted all the pictures on my computer - I thought to myself how good it actually looked on those wheels in my pictures , but in the same afternoon I had thought how bad it looked on those same scabby lexus wheels and how much better it looked on my shiny new ones , the pictures make it look better than it did in the flesh , most probably because of the poor condition of them .
If I had not already bought the new ones I may have looked into getting the old ones refurbished and using them.
As for the steering wheel , the position it is in now - held in by a ratchet strap , is not the final position , that will all be decided
When I have the seat and pedals sorted
As for the seating , well , as much as I would love 3 seater with central driver , the transmission tunnel just makes this unworkable , so standard 4 seater it will be , well standard is probably not the correct word ....
Thanks again for all the positive comments
In response to working on the engine - well .........er ........ they are very very reliable and I can just about get to most of it , but i will deal with problems if and when they arise , if the engine needs to come out one day , then so be it - I'm sure where there's a will there's a way .
Its funny how many of you mentioned the lexus wheels , the day I posted all the pictures on my computer - I thought to myself how good it actually looked on those wheels in my pictures , but in the same afternoon I had thought how bad it looked on those same scabby lexus wheels and how much better it looked on my shiny new ones , the pictures make it look better than it did in the flesh , most probably because of the poor condition of them .
If I had not already bought the new ones I may have looked into getting the old ones refurbished and using them.
As for the steering wheel , the position it is in now - held in by a ratchet strap , is not the final position , that will all be decided
When I have the seat and pedals sorted
As for the seating , well , as much as I would love 3 seater with central driver , the transmission tunnel just makes this unworkable , so standard 4 seater it will be , well standard is probably not the correct word ....
Thanks again for all the positive comments
Got a bit more done today to secure the body on the chassis , it seems much more stable and connected now which i'm much happier about
This 1st pic shows the height difference in the Lexus and Espace rear structures, which can't really be seen in the later pics
This was one of the easier areas to do , the next parts around the inner rear quarters will not be very easy !
Hopefully I might get chance this weekend
This 1st pic shows the height difference in the Lexus and Espace rear structures, which can't really be seen in the later pics
This was one of the easier areas to do , the next parts around the inner rear quarters will not be very easy !
Hopefully I might get chance this weekend
Bookmarked this - best thread I've read in a while.
I'm ashamed to say after the first page I was one of the detractors thinking "here we go, another project that will never happen" - eating my hat as we speak.
Just a shame the rear suspension towers wont let you squeeze two seats in the back, 7 seater would be awesome!!
I know its a long way off but how are you planning on finishing the interior?
I'm ashamed to say after the first page I was one of the detractors thinking "here we go, another project that will never happen" - eating my hat as we speak.
Just a shame the rear suspension towers wont let you squeeze two seats in the back, 7 seater would be awesome!!
I know its a long way off but how are you planning on finishing the interior?
DanielSan said:
Has the 'with NOS' part just appeared in the title or is it me?
And if so more info needed
Hi , no , the NOS was always in the title and it was used in the lexus and will be refitted and rejetted when I get chance once the car is roadworthy , it is a wizards of NOS system , which has maximum capacity of adding 150 BHP , it was very simple to fit and look forward to using it in the future . I will be interested to see exactly how much BHP it adds in the real world and not theoretical numbers , although I'm not entirely sure it can be measured on a rolling road ??And if so more info needed
skene said:
What do you do for a living OP? I only ask cause some of your fabrication, like that bit in the last photo, is bloody impressive!
Hi , thanks for that , I don't think it's any better than a lot of fabrication work posted on here , but I try my best .I work for a Motorsport team and have done for 15 years now , in which time I've seen a lot of great cars so I try to take inspiration from some of them .
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