Fiesta ST stage 3 build

[Dylanaledhall]

Just a little update, got a new windscreen fitted a few days ago. Somehow the week I got the car I managed to get a chip the size of a 5p piece, got it filled by autoglass. Few months later a little hairline crack started to appear ( didn't really pay much notice to it). Then a few weeks ago, my girlfriend and I were out in the car and she noticed that the crack had extended to the bottom half of the windscreen. It must have just happened because I'd have noticed it, although it was quite low on the passenger side. Long story short it kept getting worse and worse over the last week and I complained to autoglass by saying the crack originated from the chip they fixed. They agreed and I got a brand new heated windscreen for free. Not bad

[WCZ]

Dylanaledhall said:

This just popped up on marketplace, apparently comes with a couple of boost hoses and a decat pipe. Really good price to be honest, just not too sure if I personally am ready to stick a second hand turbo onto the car. I've got nothing against second hand parts, it's just the second hand stuff obviously won't be as reliable and who knows what kind of life this turbo has had previously

I'm considering taking the risk early next year once i've calculated costs

is it true that buying one with a manifold attached makes the installation much more simple? I've heard people have to crack off bolts or something along those lines otherwise (can't remember what exactly)

seems to be a flow of X47R's at around £700 with the manifold/acuator on

just would leave sports cat, bigger intercooler then the map

[J4CKO]

WCZ said:

Dylanaledhall said:

This just popped up on marketplace, apparently comes with a couple of boost hoses and a decat pipe. Really good price to be honest, just not too sure if I personally am ready to stick a second hand turbo onto the car. I've got nothing against second hand parts, it's just the second hand stuff obviously won't be as reliable and who knows what kind of life this turbo has had previously

I'm considering taking the risk early next year once i've calculated costs

is it true that buying one with a manifold attached makes the installation much more simple? I've heard people have to crack off bolts or something along those lines otherwise (can't remember what exactly)

seems to be a flow of X47R's at around £700 with the manifold/acuator on

just would leave sports cat, bigger intercooler then the map

Depends how handy with the spanners you are, can be done on the driveway and plenty do but need to look into how much you save vs the potential for problems, its not an easy job especially if you throw in secondhand part, depends if you can do without the car for a few days if something needs ordering.

[Dylanaledhall]

At the moment there's a few second hand hybrids I've got my eye on. The guy that was selling the X47r on ebay still has it but he wants £800 which I think is a bit steep considering it's used and I have no idea what kind of condition it's in or what kind of treatment it's had throughout its life. There's an S280 for £450 in Cardiff so I've messaged the guy but no response yet. I'll keep you all posted

[J4CKO]

Dylanaledhall said:

At the moment there's a few second hand hybrids I've got my eye on. The guy that was selling the X47r on ebay still has it but he wants £800 which I think is a bit steep considering it's used and I have no idea what kind of condition it's in or what kind of treatment it's had throughout its life. There's an S280 for £450 in Cardiff so I've messaged the guy but no response yet. I'll keep you all posted

Be very careful, few scam artists doing the rounds selling ST stuff, pick up in person if possible.

[Dylanaledhall]

J4CKO said:

Be very careful, few scam artists doing the rounds selling ST stuff, pick up in person if possible.

This is exactly my issue. I'm not against second hand parts but you're bang on. The one in Cardiff is close to me so if he gets back I'll probably do a deal and get it this weekend

[Dylanaledhall]

Sorry I've been quiet on here lately guys. Unfortunately don't really have much of an update due to the fact I've recently bought my first house. But don't worry, I still have the car, just might take a little longer than I thought

Hopefully if I've got enough money by the summer saved up, might be able to get a hybrid by then. But until then, I'm going to try and have a lookout for the other bits and bobs I may need. Although I was swaying towards an X47R, I think I may end up going with the S280. Although it's a bit pricier, it is bigger and without injectors they can reach around 340bhp-350bhp. Something I've seen a lot recently is the X47R cars tend to underperform in comparison to what pumaspeed claim ( power wise ). Yes it's a very popular turbo and it's fairly reliable, however I've watched many independent Dyno runs where X47R powered cars sometimes don't even crack 300bhp ( yup, one video showed an X47R car only making 277bhp ) Although some would argue that's probably the sweet spot with these STs, if I'm paying stage 3 money, I want the full experience. And I think we can all agree these cars handle 300bhp with ease. Yes, you may need uprated brakes and possibly a diff, but mechanically they'll put up with the abuse providing you look after it

Back to the S280; With uprated injectors they have seen passed 370bhp but I doubt I'll ever be brave enough to do that without forging the engine. Another reason to go with the S280 is because Collins Performance use it with their maps and the car is Collins powered and I've got no complaints with the CP2E thus far. Thanks guys

[J4CKO]

Collins will do an S280 with a lower power output, sort of CP4 plus as I asked if this was an option and they said no, then announced it a couple of weeks later much to my consternation.

This saves the cost of the injectors, not seen any power figures but would expect it to be around 320, and then it keeps the cost down and gives you more scope going forward where I have the 270 and that's at its limit pretty much. Think after that it would be around £1300 I guess to go full CP5.

I spoke to Dave Boyce the other day and to go from CP4 to CP5, i.e. my current setup to a 280 with injectors it would be around £2500 which, though I have the cash there, just doesn't seem like a good return for another 30 or so bhp which if I am honest the car doesn't need, its just me wondering what if. Don't want to put even more money into the car, maybe a few quid on bits and pieces but not another £2500.

Dont think many go CP4, seems to be 280 or nothing for a lot of people, kind of wish I had spent the extra at the time, which would have been maybe a grand but its kind of more of me just knowing there is one higher, then I take it out and remember its a 1200 ish kilo car that has around 300 bhp (Collins say 310/320 for CP4)

Got it back last week after 5 weeks or so as lent it to my son and had his 2005 Merc CLK, which is actually quite nice to waft round in but is pretty slow being a 220 CDI and more than a bit of a boat but for less than a turbo upgrade at £2100 its been great, all its needed is a window switch and we (well my son and my dad) changed the thermostat yesterday so now it gets up to operating temp.

[griffin dai]

…….Quaife Diff. Listen to your step uncle

[Dylanaledhall]

J4CKO said:

Collins will do an S280 with a lower power output, sort of CP4 plus as I asked if this was an option and they said no, then announced it a couple of weeks later much to my consternation.

This saves the cost of the injectors, not seen any power figures but would expect it to be around 320, and then it keeps the cost down and gives you more scope going forward where I have the 270 and that's at its limit pretty much. Think after that it would be around £1300 I guess to go full CP5.

I spoke to Dave Boyce the other day and to go from CP4 to CP5, i.e. my current setup to a 280 with injectors it would be around £2500 which, though I have the cash there, just doesn't seem like a good return for another 30 or so bhp which if I am honest the car doesn't need, its just me wondering what if. Don't want to put even more money into the car, maybe a few quid on bits and pieces but not another £2500.

Dont think many go CP4, seems to be 280 or nothing for a lot of people, kind of wish I had spent the extra at the time, which would have been maybe a grand but its kind of more of me just knowing there is one higher, then I take it out and remember its a 1200 ish kilo car that has around 300 bhp (Collins say 310/320 for CP4)

Got it back last week after 5 weeks or so as lent it to my son and had his 2005 Merc CLK, which is actually quite nice to waft round in but is pretty slow being a 220 CDI and more than a bit of a boat but for less than a turbo upgrade at £2100 its been great, all its needed is a window switch and we (well my son and my dad) changed the thermostat yesterday so now it gets up to operating temp.

The S280 is usually the best "overall" turbo as so many recommend it. Yes, I've heard without injectors it'll be around 320, 330ish. With Injectors you can push to around 360, 370. To be honest, I agree with you, I don't think something like an ST really needs 370bhp, plus at that power you are playing engine roulette. Having said that, there are STs that have broken the 400bhp barrier with unopened blocks and some have been fine, but again, I'd rather stick with around 330bhp because I think that's where the car would shine.

[Dylanaledhall]

griffin dai said:

…….Quaife Diff. Listen to your step uncle

Definitely on my shopping list

[Dylanaledhall]

I've been very quiet on here for a while so sorry about that if anyone actually likes reading the crap that I put online

I've been having a few test-drives in other cars because I've lost a bit of motivation with the ST. Nothing against the car I just feel like there's a lot of money to spend to get it to where I want and that could take a while, whereas I could save the money and put into another car.

So a few months back I test drove a MK7 Golf R
My thoughts :

Very capable, good-looking, great interior and probably an amazing daily driver. Despite this, very dull for a supposed 370bhp car, felt on pace with the ST if I'm honest and was absolutely no drama to it at all. Overall, a very dissapointing car - very boring.

I then test-drove an M140i
My thoughts:

So much faster than the golf (even though the golf apparently was 370bhp and the 140i was standard). Engine dominated the experience, gearbox was awesome and was just a very nice place to be.

Obviously won't be the best-handling car in the world and above all else, quite ugly in comparison to the golf but I can't see why anyone would buy the golf over a 140.

Then about 2 weeks ago I went out in a 560bhp M4

My thoughts:

Absolutely insane, sideways most of the time, great sound and you really feel like you're in something special.

The car was £25,000 which I thought was a fair price considering the milage. Brakes felt good from passenger side and is a real head-turner.

Then I drove a standard M4 today and overall very good car, would be a very nice daily driver but not "fun" in comparison to my ST. It feels very big on the road and I even felt that when I went out in the tuned M4. But yeah, I really think the M4 needs at least a map to get the most from it. Have to say, the B58 felt just as fast at legal speeds because the M4 seemed to gain it's momentum after 80mph, doubt it was traction related because I wasn't burying the throttle nor was it wet out today. Above all else, the M4 would cost a lot more to maintain over an M140/M240.

So overall the Golf is completely out of the question although it was my girlfriend's favourite out of the 3 cars. Yes it's a nice car but that's the highest compliment I could give that car. The M4(s) very capable, proper driver's cars but quite pricey. So overall for the amount of car you get and arguably a better engine the M140 was my favourite of the lot but the 140 felt just as fast, would cost less to run and the B58 can go very far for not a lot of money. On a 140i a simple map takes the car beyond 400bhp and if you put an exhaust on, intercooler as well as an intake you'll be looking at 480bhp ish. Most hybrid turbos are running around 550-700bhp on these engines and they very very rarely go wrong.

So these are my thoughts on those cars, I've obviously still got the ST but it's on a bit of a back burner for now until I get odd jobs around the house sorted and get me a higher paying job thanks guys

[J4CKO]

You dont need 400/500/600 bhp to have fun, we have had both a Golf R and an M135i, telling that the ST is still here.

[ScoobyChris]

J4CKO said:

You dont need 400/500/600 bhp to have fun, we have had both a Golf R and an M135i, telling that the ST is still here.

It’s funny- I have an m140 and drove an ST with the view that maybe we could downsize to a single fun car. i wanted to love it but I found the ride pretty crashy (comparing to dynamic dampers) and the car woefully slow. Entertainment system is a step up though it has to be said!

Maybe it could be modded to more acceptable levels, but that defeats the point of replacing something that is already there so I will stick with what I have.

Chris

[J4CKO]

ScoobyChris said:

J4CKO said:

You dont need 400/500/600 bhp to have fun, we have had both a Golf R and an M135i, telling that the ST is still here.

It’s funny- I have an m140 and drove an ST with the view that maybe we could downsize to a single fun car. i wanted to love it but I found the ride pretty crashy (comparing to dynamic dampers) and the car woefully slow. Entertainment system is a step up though it has to be said!

Maybe it could be modded to more acceptable levels, but that defeats the point of replacing something that is already there so I will stick with what I have.

Chris

Yeah, the ride is pretty hard, I put some different springs and dampers on.

I didnt want to mod the M135i as I didnt feel I could get it to where I wanted it, mainly as it was an auto, we already owned the ST an used to nick it over time I could.

Mine now is as quick as a standard M140i being 300 and a bit bhp, As standard they feel held back, but standard v standard I could drive the ST more quickly as it gets better the faster you go where the M135i fell apart and started pitching and lurching, like the back and front werent communicating.

People tend to go from an ST to an M140i as its a logical step, its a step up in many ways but so many seem to get rid and come back.

Was going to buy an M4 but decided to keep this and mod it, then might get one.

I was too busy having kids and being skint in my prime modding years.

I think the mistake some make with the M140i in particular is to keep adding more and more power, but that imho is not what it needs, its fast enough LSD, decent suspension etc though.

[WCZ]

I got rid of my st recently, it is a fun car and I had it for years but the reality is that the ride is really bad. that and people kept on trying to steal it

[mooseracer]

I used to have a stage 2 Fiesta and bloody loved it - owned it from new for 5 years. I started doing a lot of boring miles for work - and my wife hated the ST - so I scratched an itch and bought a manual 140. 2 weeks later and worrying like mad I'd made a 21k mistake I did the obvious thing and spent a load more on it getting the Birds suspension and Quaiffe diff fitted.

It is now a decent car to drive - no go kart like the Fiesta - but an accomplished long distance GT and more than capable of being fun on A and B roads. And it has that engine in it

It is currently on an MHD Stage 1 map and I'll probably get a clutch, sports cat and HPFP after Christmas - with the chassis mods it is more than capable of coping with that imho.

If I'd waited a couple of months I'd have never changed out of the ST as Covid came along - my mileage dropped and hasn't gone back up - but now I feel it is sorted I'm still really enjoying the 140 18 months in. I still maintain the ST is way more fun to drive on the right roads.

[Dylanaledhall]

J4CKO said:

You dont need 400/500/600 bhp to have fun, we have had both a Golf R and an M135i, telling that the ST is still here.

Still got it then but definitely agree you don't need stupid power to enjoy and have fun

[Dylanaledhall]

ScoobyChris said:

It’s funny- I have an m140 and drove an ST with the view that maybe we could downsize to a single fun car. i wanted to love it but I found the ride pretty crashy (comparing to dynamic dampers) and the car woefully slow. Entertainment system is a step up though it has to be said!

Maybe it could be modded to more acceptable levels, but that defeats the point of replacing something that is already there so I will stick with what I have.

Chris

Yeah the STs engine is definitely not the best thing in the world. I'd only owned my previous Mk6 Diesel Fiesta for about a year so getting into a MK7 ST at 20 years old felt rapid but I very soon got used to the power. I then got the map done but got used to that very quickly too. Obviously going out in the 140 feels much much faster than a stage 2 ST, would still be faster than a majority of stage 3 STs too. But in all honesty guys, from memory the M140 doesn't feel far off the pace of an M4 I'll be totally honest.

I don't really mind the ride in the ST, yeah sometimes you go over a slight bump in the road or an unavoidable pot hole and you're thinking Jesus bloody Christ why is it so crashy but you can forgive it for it's ride when you get to a B road. Yes, in a perfect world it would have adjustable dampers and a "comfort mode" but at the end of the day, it's just a fiesta and it would probably go against the point of the ST. It's a small, hot hatch and it's not ashamed to admit it. I still hasten to add that the ST rides like a Rolls Royce Phantom in comparison to my Diesel Zetec S.

[Dylanaledhall]

WCZ said:

I got rid of my st recently, it is a fun car and I had it for years but the reality is that the ride is really bad. that and people kept on trying to steal it

Did you have any attempted burglaries? Or just people coming up to the car and looking inside etc?