2005 Clio 182 FF - Occasional track car

2005 Clio 182 FF - Occasional track car

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illmonkey

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Monday 22nd January 2018
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Not sure if anyone is still reading! But it helps me keep a track of it, and might help someone one day.

Saturday was spent in the rain, in my thermals trying to get this sorted. Everything is fiddly in the small space you have to work with, and improvising with tools seemed to be common. But I did get it all back together, minus the 2 bolts I'd not listed in my card, but in the scuttle panel. Unfortunately, they were at the bottom of the alternator bracket, off comes the Alternator, alternator bracket & AC pump to get to them. Typically upon putting it back together I dropped a few things, and spent forever getting to them. It was cold and wet, so wasn't on best form.

Anyway, I got to the belt, with little day light left. So cracked on, but I just could not get enough slack in the belt. This is usually done with a serpentine tool, but they don't fit in the tight engine bay. What you end up doing, is wrapping a jubilee clip around the tensioner, tightening and hoping it does't go bang (release the tension). Image stolen from internet...



Unfortunately for me, my jubilee clip has eaten itself before I could enough slack in the belt, so I had to abandon. Tonight will see me buy a beefy jubilee clip before trying again in the dark, but hopefully not rain.

illmonkey

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Friday 26th January 2018
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I have purchased 35 julibee clips (thanks to screw fix's 10 packs!) and none of them have worked. So I ordered the tool that everyone says doesn't work, and it doesn't work. But, I think I can get it to. The tensioner is not moving, it's solid, so I think it's fitted wrong or something. So I'm going to take it apart tomorrow and redo it, checking it moved before I put the rest back together!

Fingers crossed it's working at the end of tomorrow, 2 trackdays are pencilled in for Feb, so it needs to be working!

illmonkey

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Monday 19th February 2018
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For what is such a simple issue (1 bolt has snapped) it sure was a hell of a job, but I've got there! Well, pending spirited drive this evening to test it works...



After the last update I set about taking it apart and loosening the tensioner, turns out after a bit of work, that I could jack the engine up and get to the bolts (just) to loosen them. This involved some silly spanner set arrangement to pivot around a corner and a long bar to get out of the space for the headlight. But it saved taking it all apart again!

Once loosened, I put the belt in place, ready to use my new tool. I needed to grind down one of my new socket set adapters to get it to fit too (common). Well, you know what happened next...


Yep! The tensioner bracket snapped. Meaning I could no longer use the new tool on it. I gave up. Basically convinced myself I needed a new tensioner, so spoke with Renault parts direct who told me it's £130. I had just paid £70 for this one (some deal apparently!). So I decided to revert back to the old jubilee method. I got it together, but was concerned the bolt at the top of the alternator was barely in the nut, literally 2 threads) It was never going to hold, but at least I could move the car for now, whilst I sourced new bolts. At this point, due to me pounding the alternator to get it in the position it needed to be, I figured it was best to test output. bks, I've broken the alternator! It's my own fault, but all that work now wasted again.

Went to move the car to the drive, and what do you know, it won't start, and seems the bonnet won't open. I had to get a friend over to literally pull a leaver whilst I lifted the bonnet. Then jump the car, before seeing the dash light up like a christmas tree....I put this down to the alternator. When I got the car onto the drive, the bottom bolt on the alternator had come lose in 500meters of driving, made a note to loctite it back in place. At least it was nice weather...





New (used) alternator (3rd in 10 months) ordered on ebay for £25, the thing arrived without the bloody pulley. You may not know, but they come with a clutch pulley on them, so require a special tool, basically so you can get a tool through a socket, but also can't use a spanner as it's recessed. Most people will use an air impact gun, but I don't have one. I was going to go to a garage, but it's 8pm on Tuesday, so I doubt they'd be open. So, my breaker bar and a rubber mallet came into the game, some large hits and it's free! (My torque wrench is probably buggered though!) I swap the pulley and call it a day.

Saturday just gone, I got up early, set my tools out and set about it. Alternator on, belt on, via jubilee clip on tensioner and check everything is tight. Then hope the new alternator outputs enough voltage, before hoping the car works! Luckily it went smoothly, the belt too a bit of time, but I got it on. Fitted the longer bolt to the alternator too, with nylon nut to stop it coming undone and the alternator returned 14v+





New profile done, new wheels on the Z, clio has been lowered and spaced since the last one.

illmonkey

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Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Eugh! After all that, I took it to the OH's last weekend and it seemed great (apart from usual 182 idle gremlins!). Rolled into my drive upon the return on 3 cylinders though. Damnit!

I ordered a OBDII BT dongle thing, but it was late, so decided to just order a new injector in the hope it was that. I had disconnected HT leads to ensure it was not them. I know it's CYL3, but that's it, so the injector is a gamble.

I'd also put some new spark plugs in my ebay basket, and I've owned it over a year now, so decided to do a service too. Sparks, oil filter, Oil, air filter (and injector!). So, this weekend is a mini service and hope the injector cures it. I may then buy the other 3, just so it's a fresh set.

But, the alternator didn't come off, and everything seems to be fine after a 50+ mile round trip, so if the injector fixes it, I'll be onto booking my next track day!


illmonkey

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Tuesday 20th March 2018
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No comments frown Ah well, it's a good journal for me!

Injector fitted and service carried out with no problems. The problem came when I started it... still rough, So I left it. Next up was spark plugs, they were not the 'have to have' sparks, so I purchased the NGK ones it's meant to have, still rough!

After a bit of thought I decided it was down to the coilpack or HT leads, so I ordered both. Fitted (in the snow) and still rough. I then done some research and found I can check the resistance of the injectors to see if an other is broken. Turns out injector 4 is buggered too! 0.5 Ohms, the rest were 15 (which is what they are meant to be...). So I'll order an other injector and get it fitted. The coilpack and leads may have been wasted, but it's on 105k, so probably due.

To recap, since it being off the road on 29th December, I have done the following, costing over £300:-

Aux Belt
Belt Tensioner
Thermostat
Coolant change
New alternator brackets (2)
2nd hand Alternator
New nylon bolts for alternator brackets
New injector
Service
Spark plugs
Another new injector

It is also due a cambelt replacement, on these it's not easy. You also should do the dephaser and a few other things, parts run about £350, but apparently it's a tricky job (tight space) and also a bugger to time, even with locking tools (an other £80). To pay someone, it works out close to £700. I may leave it and see what happens!

illmonkey

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Wednesday 21st March 2018
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Ah, people, welcome!

It is very frustrating, it's just been one thing after an other. But, if this last injector sorts it, I hope to get a few track days booked before summer.

I am missing driving it, the Z just needs to much pace to have some fun in the twisties, whereas I can be ringing the clios neck and still not going to fast. Tempted to keep the 'semi slicks' on it over summer hehe

illmonkey

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Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I have videos, here is one from Mallory. I will note a few things, the cars I was following had been a nuance all day, this was toward the end of the day and you can see the line appearing, so the track was quick. But they struggled to let me past. the first corner was borderline 4th, so kept changing between 3rd and 4th

at 2:36 onwards, following the black 172, you'll see black clouds of smoke and hear bits hitting my car, it was his brakes disintergrating! As we were limited on time before dusk, I really didn't want to back off!

The ending of the video is when it all went wrong too, causing the last few posts of problems

Lastly, enjoy my friends greeting at the end hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1mA6mGMEik

illmonkey

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Thursday 22nd March 2018
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It was, very frustrating, we also seemed to be a bit quicker than most. Not necessarily FAST, but faster than others. I have a longer video of just me, and you can see from my overtakes how frustrated I get. It did make us laugh these guys with their rolled caged stickered up cars are getting overtaken by 2 blokes who turned up in a road car. They don't seem to understand if someone is faster, move!



If you think the 1st was bad, watch this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1ylQlF2P8

I end up following this prize cheb piece with his stupid overrun map (blue clio) from about 9:20 until 15:00 when he finally moves and lets me crack on. From 15:00 onwards, I have to put up with the shat-xo club in my way too. IN the end, you just start taking chances, otherwise there is no point

illmonkey

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Friday 23rd March 2018
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gweaver said:
illmonkey said:
the first corner was borderline 4th, so kept changing between 3rd and 4th
I remember an old boss mentioning that being an issue with his Ferrari 308 at Mallory.

It looks like your Clio has relatively stable handling, unlike the 172 you were following, which looked a bit lively! I've watched a few videos of these, and the handling balance seems to vary a lot between cars.
It's at the pinch point. With my track tyres (in the vid it's just on road tyres), it'd be 4th no problem.

It's had the track widened and lowered, but you still get a bit of body roll. Would like to stiffen it up more, but it's also used around down and is not comfortable!

One of the other clios was just messing about to an extent, it seemed worse than in the videos too.

illmonkey

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Friday 23rd March 2018
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avenger286 said:
I would of been flashing my lights like mad at the Clio in front don't know if that's OK on a track day! I must do a track day this year in my wee Twingo as it must be 4 years since I have done one.
Not allowed, but you're also meant to let people past! Would then be as bad as each other.

The chap is on Facebook and seems to think his car and him are amazing. He was also in the garage next to us talking rubbish, fettling with the car, with all of his gear, whilst me and my mate ate biscuits leaning on the bonnet then I jumped in the car and held me up.

The 2nd injector has made the car work again! Time to book some track time, can't wait.

illmonkey

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Friday 23rd March 2018
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avenger286 said:
More used to rallying than track days. If he was in the way on a rally and wouldn't move he would be getting a gentle tap in the bumper to say out the way. I think the track day I did had a flag system in place to let you know there was faster drivers behind.
Think I may venture to croft in the summer as its only local.
The video doesn't show (or maybe it wasn't on that go) but I was getting very close to people, to emphasise the point. The marshalls don't bother with the blue flag either, so you just got to throw it up the inside! problem is, it then looks like racing, which is also not allowed.

illmonkey

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Friday 23rd March 2018
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C70R said:
I would have just backed off, and/or done a lap of the pits to get out of the wally's way.
My issue was that, given how packed the track looked, I would have probably just ended up stuck behind someone else...

Who was the TDO, OP?
You're bang on, back off, and get stuck behind someone else. May as well just try to push through. It acutally works out a bit of fun, as long as you get past them in 1/2 or so.

It was a Javelin Trackday

avenger286 said:
So basically the marshals weren't doing there Job properly and the Clio bloke was being a nob.
Also forgot to say top work on what you have done so far to the car.
Yep, totally not doing their job. Thanks!


nitrodave said:
great thread and really enjoyed the videos.

I've been getting an itch for a super budget track car and it's a toss up between one of these clios or an ep3 type r. Both cars seem to be at rock bottom prices right now, the civic costing slightly more though.

I'm going to check a few bottom of the barrel examples this weekend and I might take the plunge on something to thrash on track this summer
I looked at a few, as well as minis, but the clio won, as the OE parts are so much cheaper, and mods are widely available. Mine was 'only' £1400, generally its cheap to run, apart from the last problem(s). Last year I only put upgrades on it, didn't service or spend a penny replacing parts.

illmonkey

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Friday 20th April 2018
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It's almost been off the road for 4 months, but today is PASSED it's MOT! During all this, I'd let the MOT lapse, as it's been off the road. After the injector was fitted, I put it in for an MOT to see whats what, and it failed on ...



Lights, easy fix. The headlight washers were a pain, there are 2 pumps and 4 tubes, in some converluted manor, it made troubleshooting very painful. Not to mention it requires the wiper to come off, in the process of this, I managed to crack the windscreen mad 2 new headlight yets (£40 delivered) and they were working. Windscreen replacement claim to be put in.

The emmissions were a worry, I took the cat off and it looked fine, broke the clips in the process, an other £30... The clio FB group recommneded this, and seems to have worked its magic. Or was it getting it nice and hot before dropping off and waiting for the retest so it didn't cool whistle

In all this, the new (used) alternator gave up! So I bit the bullet and purchased a new one at the price of £189. I managed to do the whole job in about 2 hours, becoming a pro at it, 4th one I've done.

Anyway, off to book a trackday!

illmonkey

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Friday 27th April 2018
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I've been driving about for a week and loving it, it really is a hoot to drive. Just throw it in and it sticks. No problems seem to have appeared the 100 or so miles I've done either. I was wanting to get some done before I booked anything.

I do now however need new 'daily' tyres. These are also the ones I'd use if it's wet, as the Federal 595's are shocking in the wet. Thinking Uniroyals rainsport3...

illmonkey

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Thursday 26th July 2018
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Seems I've let this slip a little!

I did indeed get new tyres, Uniroyal rainsport 3's, as recommended by many people for the 182's. Annoyingly, I don't get on with them. The thread pattern seems to move too much on road, and when I done a track day, they were worringly bad. The car was so unsettled, it wasn't nice to drive.

Lets re-wind a little, when I had the tyres done, I got a good look at the brakes, I had DS2500's before, but they were done. So, on the day before my trackday I needed to source and fit new pads. All I could find was Brembo's from ECP. So I get them fitted, and heated out to the track day.

As I was running new rubber and pads, I went out on sighting laps and tried to bed everything in. Brake were no where near as sharp and the car wallowed in the corners, luckily it was dry, so I swapped to the 'semi's', with the kindness of a fellow trackday-er as I'd levy my tools at home by mistake!

The clio was back, with the 595RS-R's the car grips pretty well! But those brakes were doing 10 - 15 minutes max. Coming in with them smoking, a lad walked past saying "err, your brakes are on fire mate". hehe I'd done probably 60 minutes of track time, and took a look over the car, noticing my front pads were very low already! I figured I had 1 more stint, before I'd need to stop 'racing' and just drive home. Total time of pads: 75 minutes. The DS2500's lasted 4 1/2 trackdays of equally hard driving, goes to show you need to buy the right thing! That was 4th of June.

The last 6 weeks have been a bit crazy for me, so the 182 has taken a back seat. It needs new pads, and probably a bit of TLC in form of a wash and check over (fluids etc). I also plan on getting some ducts in for the brakes, as I think they are just cooking in the warmer weather. Then I'll book an other day, hopefully Mid August.

Side news, the Z4M passed it's MOT with flying colours and no advisories and it was the new style test. IT does however badly need new front discs. OEM are £350. Clios OEM fronts are £60!

Trying to cock a leg, reckon with a new ARB we'll be a tripod easy enough!


illmonkey

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Friday 27th July 2018
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Thanks. I'll sort the brakes next week and get booking. I've been driving it since moving home to work and can't help but attack the roundabouts and go through the entire rev range. Tracking it was meant to calm me down!

EP3's were on my short list, but consumables seemed steep. I do love those engines though.

illmonkey

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Friday 10th August 2018
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New Fedoro DS2500's fitted in the on/off rain last night. Done it, included bleeding in 2 hours start to finish. Well, I say bleeding, I bled 3 of them, the last one's nipple has seized, so I've had to leave it. Next time I work on brakes, I'll have to fit a new caliper frown



The pads, brembo and fedoro's never seem to fit, so you need to get a grinder out and trim some of the fat. Then this happened, a close call I think you'll agree, it could have ended a lot worse!



Luckily I have a fast swooping road just on my door step, so I went to bed them in, always good fun. 4 soft 45MPH to 15MPH, then 10 firm from 60MPH to 15MPH, then a dordle without braking to get air on them to cool. Engine braking and the popping is always good fun!

Now lets go racing track daying!

illmonkey

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Friday 2nd November 2018
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Eugh, these things always come at the worst time right!

So, I was enjoy my new commute of ~8 miles in the clio, and on a drive back to the other half's 2 weeks ago, the car started making a rotational bearing noise when idle (not moving), so it was declared as bearings. As well as that, the clever clio people thing the dephaser is on it's way out. So, it's time to replace the cam belt, which means doing the aux belt, and pulley and water pump.

A quote from a local man can get it done for £580 (me sourcing parts), a local Renault specialist wanted £850! The chap I've found made all the right noises at discussion point, has done many 182's and know about the issues with timing, so has the tools etc.

So, it'll be done in the next week or so, making the thought of a track day, due to cost, a dream until 2019. Although I may book something between Christmas and new year, to celebrate the anniversary of it crapping the alternator our the engine bay.

I'll have spend more fixing this car in 2018, that it cost to buy. Hey ho...

illmonkey

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Saturday 3rd November 2018
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I’m worried about driving it and the belt going, so I going to go with this local guy, he’s less than 2 miles away. Now you’ve posted, I can consider your man when it’s less vital work. Thanks!

illmonkey

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Thursday 15th November 2018
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Here we go then!

Discussing with my mechanic (and co driver on track days) buddy, he is sure it's felt down on power from the 1st one we do back in Feb '17 to the last one in Dec, here's hoping it's the dephaser causing it and this all brings it into a new life.

Seems there was a national shortage of aux belt kits. I had the last one from the supplier. Car is booked in on Monday to get sorted...

Cam belt and pulleys
Aux belt and pulleys
Water pump
Dephaser
cam caps



Edited by illmonkey on Thursday 15th November 08:48