RS6 C6 V10 - Standard... for now!

RS6 C6 V10 - Standard... for now!

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_Nathan_

505 posts

250 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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Aren't these pipes typically aluminium on even normal cheap cars ?

adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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philmots said:
Interesting stuff, I'm sure you'll get the money back (or won't have to sell it on cheap) when you come to sell.

This work is what people will look for.

Are the new coolant pipes actually any different, or is the same thing going to happen in another 7 years.
Well that's the thing, at least it's done now and hopefully not have to be done again!

As far as I am aware they are the same, no design modification but as more of them start to go, I imagine Audi may redesign/coat them.

Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:
Is there something you spray on the new pipes to protect them or can you properly seal the inside of the arch liner at all? Those pipes must see alot of weather (at high velocity perhaps - the old ones are in a shocking state agreed!) Just a thought.
I will be undersealing the whole car, arches as well. Pipes will be undersealed as well. Just such a vunerable place for them to be in.

The car has been in Scotland most of its life to be fair. Totally agree that cars from down south probably don't get it as bad.

I'll be taking it up with Audi, not that I will get anywhere with them right enough, I just think it's shocking for a car like that to be needing so much. Agreed, it's done 80k, but you still don't expect to be dropping the engine out it to replace a couple of seals and pipes. It'll be interesting to see what happens when this issue starts getting more common, I wonder if they will come up with something..

Half tempted to redesign the arch liner, maybe add some sort of cover to protct them. Will just need to sort out wheel clearances, but that's a project for another time.


ChrisRS6

736 posts

185 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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The heat this engine produces has a negative effect on all the seals making them very brittle over time I'm afraid.

Escy

3,958 posts

151 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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I'm not familiar with the RS6, why does replacing those pipes require the engine out?

briang9

3,336 posts

162 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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nice car, and well done on the work so far, these really are very special beasts, as someone above said, they just pull like nothing I have driven before..

this one is mine...


Ahbefive

11,657 posts

174 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Wow, thats is shocking. Lovely car but if that many things are corroded and failing after 8 years that is mot what I'd call good build quality.

To me build quality is more about this sort of thing rather than soft touch plastics, panel gaps and clunky doors. The stuff you don't use standing the test of time.

Good luck with it. I'd definitely want to get those pipes coated.

Uggers

2,223 posts

213 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Escy said:
I'm not familiar with the RS6, why does replacing those pipes require the engine out?
Usually access, the engines are seriously crammed into the bay. With all the ancillaries/boost hosing that a turbocharged (x2) engine needs. They weren't really designed to be in there hence the odd routing of pipes/wiring etc, simpy because there is no space anywhere else.

Another issue from having to remove the engine etc is how much other items you disturb/discover whilst carrying that out. You see it regularly on the Audi forums where an RS goes in for a specific job and the owner posts up a while later. Usually stunned at the final cost after discovering many other issues or jobs that are required or considered needing doing whilst the engine is out.

Ahbefive said:
Wow, thats is shocking. Lovely car but if that many things are corroded and failing after 8 years that is mot what I'd call good build quality.

To me build quality is more about this sort of thing rather than soft touch plastics, panel gaps and clunky doors. The stuff you don't use standing the test of time.

Good luck with it. I'd definitely want to get those pipes coated.
I'm of the same opinion, don't get me wrong it 'feels' higher quality because of all these things you mention. An approach car manufacturers (especially the Germans) are relying on to a large degree.

Mine is the older RS6 and I've noticed certain things and wondered what on earth they were thinking when they designed/made something a certain way. I thought they had learnt their lesson from the previous RS6, maybe not?



adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Got the car back!

Was a rather expensive bill eek , but they have gone through everything and replaced anything that was going to be of concern so at least I know it's right, hopefully thousands of miles of trouble free motoring ahead!

Full writeup tomorrow.

adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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Full writeup will happen in due course, just awaiting parts receipts so I can list out everything that got changed.

Back to the garage Tomorrow/Thursday (whatever day is dry) so we can whip the undertrays off it, and make sure everything is absolutely spot on.

Absoultely love having it back, took it a run to the local car club test day today to stretch it legs (not on track!), performed faultlessly.

Other jobs done, cut up the number plate holder, rebonded, filled and painted, reattached to grill and fitted shortened plates. Sets it off nicely.

Tyres on the list next.. When you are pushing on they aren't coping very well.


Lynch91

471 posts

141 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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Looks absolutely fantastic! I look forward to the write up

oobster

7,121 posts

213 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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Lovely car, did you used to work for S&S?

cannondale

210 posts

194 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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Am I right in saying that the meet you were at was Kames? It looks like it anyway.

Been a while since I've been up there. Looks like it wasn't raining as well! Lucky lad!

IanH755

1,872 posts

122 months

Tuesday 27th December 2016
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adamfraser said:
Back to the garage Tomorrow/Thursday (whatever day is dry) so we can whip the undertrays off it, and make sure everything is absolutely spot on.

Tyres on the list next.. When you are pushing on they aren't coping very well.
Did they change the oil pump seal whilst the engine was out too?

Tyres - MPSS have been outstanding for me and as it's an OE BMW size (275/35-20) they'll be instock for a while, although the new MPS-4S should be out in the new year and I'm expecting big things from them!

adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Back to the garage this morning for a look underneath and glad to say, all is well! Absolutely no problems. Think the lads that did the work are relieved hehe

oobster said:
Lovely car, did you used to work for S&S?
Cheers. I did indeed, was there just shy of 10 years!

cannondale said:
Am I right in saying that the meet you were at was Kames? It looks like it anyway.

Been a while since I've been up there. Looks like it wasn't raining as well! Lucky lad!
Spot on with the guess, was just up testing new suspension setup on an Evo rally car. Rare to see it not raining up there! Great day for it aswell.

IanH755 said:
Did they change the oil pump seal whilst the engine was out too?

Tyres - MPSS have been outstanding for me and as it's an OE BMW size (275/35-20) they'll be instock for a while, although the new MPS-4S should be out in the new year and I'm expecting big things from them!
Not that i'm aware of as I know you can't get it seperately - once I get all the invoices back i'll have a look to confirm. At least someone on RS246 has managed to come up with the solution to save people buying the complete oil pump.

Got a good mate who works for BMW up the road on the case for the tyres, be interesting to see what he can come up with.

Any progress with your misfire/smoke issues? frown



Jonno02

2,248 posts

111 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Such a lovely looking car, I'd have one in a heartbeat, if I had the cash for the bills.

IanH755

1,872 posts

122 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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The Part number for the seal is WHT003731 which is item 63 on this page - http://www.oemepc.com/audi/part_single/catalog/au/...

It's the O-Ring on the input shaft to the oil pump which goes. In the top pic the oil pump is too the left and the block to the right. In the bottom pic you can see the drive shaft itself in the block.





Mine - I've got the spring out the turbo compressor housing now (quite easy) so now I'm just waiting for the 16mm spark plug sockets to arrive tomorrow/Friday. Plus the cold has eaten my battery so it's almost flat, so a new battery is on order too (mine is still the original one).

Edited by IanH755 on Wednesday 28th December 16:35

adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Cracking pictures. Mine looked just as bad, seal had turned totally hard and crumbled on the way out.

Hopefully it's something simple to fix, never is though with these things!

adamfraser

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567 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Few more bits and bobs done today that I have been meaning to do.

Heard some water sloshing around in the tailgate - removed the small rubber bung on the bottom of the bootlid and let it drain out. Will leave it off for now until I get some sealer to do the rear lights and high level brake light - was half expecting it to be the washer hose on the motor but it wasn't. All of a sudden I have no reverse lights since having the tailgate stripped, so that's tomorrows job incase its a fuse, but it might just be both bulbs gone.

Changed the bootlid bulbs to LEDs as I had some lying around anyway.



Cleaned up the rear view camera lens, picture was absolutely shocking before, lens wasn't in good condition at all.



Removed the old wheel nut covers and fitted new ones.






Quite fancy carbon dipping the RS6 and V10 covers to bring the engine bay up a bit..





cannondale

210 posts

194 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Not sure giving it the fake carbon look will really add anything to it, in my opinion. Should look good with all the plastics treated with some good quality plastic trim detailing product.

Maybe I'm just getting old but the more standard it looks the better.

Hopefully you don't need to open the bonnet too often to check what's going on with it anyway.

Mezzanine

9,262 posts

221 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Why not get some £50 notes and clear wrap them onto the boring bits, might produce a wry smile everytime you open the bonnet up wink