Phoenix from the flames - Porsche Boxster with an Audi 2.7T
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Great work in getting that engine in there and working.
Please move those airfilters up.
First big puddle or large abmount of standing water and you'll hyraulic your engine.
Cold air isn't anywhere near as critical on a turbo'd engine as it is on an NA. your chargecooling system will be the dominant controller of charge temps
(as you've found).
Please move those airfilters up.
First big puddle or large abmount of standing water and you'll hyraulic your engine.
Cold air isn't anywhere near as critical on a turbo'd engine as it is on an NA. your chargecooling system will be the dominant controller of charge temps
(as you've found).
Thanks guy's, now the filters are done I just need to come up with a decent solution for a new meth injection tank and hopefully that's it all sorted in terms of the engine side of modifications.
Peanut Gallery said:
Looking good!
- Very random, but a friend was getting through a remote battery every 3 weeks, with the last week spent pressing the remote against the car before it would work - he then moved onto a Duracell or Energiser battery, and . .well, that was a week before lockdown and I have not heard from him at all..
It could be the battery brand, the were Amazon's own brand. When the Battery Brain arrived one of the batteries in the remote was dead and had leaked slightly (my unit had been produced in 2007). The other battery was fine all that time. Once installed and started to use it, that battery went flat. The replacements measure 12v fresh out of the pack, within a few hours they were down to 9v. - Very random, but a friend was getting through a remote battery every 3 weeks, with the last week spent pressing the remote against the car before it would work - he then moved onto a Duracell or Energiser battery, and . .well, that was a week before lockdown and I have not heard from him at all..
ridds said:
Great work in getting that engine in there and working.
Please move those airfilters up.
First big puddle or large abmount of standing water and you'll hyraulic your engine.
Cold air isn't anywhere near as critical on a turbo'd engine as it is on an NA. your chargecooling system will be the dominant controller of charge temps
(as you've found).
I know what you mean with the air filters but I'm limited with what I can do due to space, especially since I added the larger Mercedes heat exchangers. I'm aware of the possible risks of hydro-locking, I remember my dad deciding to go through a huge puddle in his Renault Espace, my mum had reservations about it, his reply was "where's your sense of fun?". A recovery truck and a 3k bill followed! This car won't make many appearances in the rain and i'll avoid puddles. Please move those airfilters up.
First big puddle or large abmount of standing water and you'll hyraulic your engine.
Cold air isn't anywhere near as critical on a turbo'd engine as it is on an NA. your chargecooling system will be the dominant controller of charge temps
(as you've found).
I've been on a bit of a downer with this car from the moment I bought it. The window stuck down on the way home and there was a huge storm that lasted for about a week, I put a car cover over it when it was wet and the paint was ruined, any small stone chip had been a way for water to get under the lacquer which then peeled badly. As it looked like s
te from day one I was a bit deflated but cracked on regardless.
I'm not overly bothered about having a mint car but i'm a little embarrassed by the state of this one. I don't want to spend a couple of grand on a re-spray, i've spent loads on it already and i've had cars re-sprayed before and I end up a little precious about them which ruins the enjoyment. I did consider wrapping and doing it myself but decent wrap is expensive and i'd probably be rubbish.
I feel like if i'm going to sort out the bodywork I should take advantage of the time i'm getting during the lockdown. The cogs were spinning, I thought it's probably the best bet to buy another 986 with nice bodywork and just swap everything over. There isn't much done to the shell during the engine swap, it's basically bolt in other than making a little bit of extra clearance for the turbos. It's obviously a st load of work to do but in terms of the time taken it might be similar to how long if I took it for a respray or if I tried to wrap it.
As I was looking for a potential car I suddenly thought about a newer 987. If I could pick off something cheap from the bottom end of the market I could sell the engine, gearbox, brakes, etc. I will sell all the parts I don't need from my current Boxster (including the wheels and probably coilovers). My fag packet maths has me sitting in a newer Boxster and with some cash back in my pocket rather than spending out more money sorting out the bodywork. Sounds good in theory.
The 987 is very similar to the 986, I don't expect many issues, a few wiring changes, i'll need to do a bit more work on the canbus to get the dash all working but I expect it to all bolt in and be running quite quickly. One thing i'll need to do is run a return fuel line as the 987 doesn't have one. I'm sure i'm overlooking other stuff and this won't be as easy as I think but time will tell.
On the hunt for a 987, one came up on ebay a day ago with a knocking engine and sold within an hour. I was gutted i'd missed out on it but it came back on ebay today, spoke to the owner, he wanted the money quick as it was his only car and he needed to get a replacement so I went straight down to buy it. I'd done my fag packet maths on a 6k example with a healthy engine being worth 2k, this one has a sick engine (not a bottom end knock) which is probably still worth £500 and the the car cost 3.5k so that's a good start. I do need to factor in getting it transported.
The photos weren't very good quality in the advert and the text was minimal. Every car I seem to buy has a piss poor advert, people don't do what they are selling justice. This is the advert photo and bellow is a photo from today. Amazing what a difference a wash and a decent picture does.
Going by the sellers photos I was expecting it to be a bit ropy so I took a chance on it (if the bodywork was bad there is no point bothering as i'd be in the same boat). I was presently pleased when I saw it in the flesh. It's enthusiast owned, the seller is in a Porsche club, the car had Michelin Pilot Sport tyres all around. It's not perfect but it's tidy, only thing of mention was some marks on the bumper by the bonnet. The interior could do with a spruce up. I'm really pleased with it, it's a 2007, the mileage was 107k I think so reasonable. I wouldn't have picked silver but they all seem to be silver, black or grey. Spec wise it seems quite basic but it does have the hardback sports seats, a set of them sold on ebay for £1850 which is nuts, i'd rather the Recaro's in mine anyway so i'll fit those and sell the sports seats. It's got a carbon wrap on the spoiler that i'll remove, i'll get rid of the stickers on the windscreen and the air deflector in between the seats. I'll probably keep the sticker on the bottom of the door, wouldn't have bought one to fit myself but it looks alright I think.
This idea is easier said than done, it's going to be difficult in reality I think. I'm probably going to have to do them both on my driveway side by side as I can't figure out how i'll be able to do it in the garage, i've got a lack of space plus the pit will likely get in my way rather than help as i'll need to lift the shell up over the engine.
It's not lost on me that I've been building this car for 3 years, it's still not finished and i'm pulling it apart. I don't want to be one of those people that starts a project talks it up and the doesn't finish it. It could be argued that I prefer being under it than in. For some reason I'm still carrying some baggage from the fire, I often find myself hesitant to take it out. I'm hoping that the 987 has a bit of fresh feeling to it as it has a different cabin and apparently a different driving experience.
te from day one I was a bit deflated but cracked on regardless. I'm not overly bothered about having a mint car but i'm a little embarrassed by the state of this one. I don't want to spend a couple of grand on a re-spray, i've spent loads on it already and i've had cars re-sprayed before and I end up a little precious about them which ruins the enjoyment. I did consider wrapping and doing it myself but decent wrap is expensive and i'd probably be rubbish.
I feel like if i'm going to sort out the bodywork I should take advantage of the time i'm getting during the lockdown. The cogs were spinning, I thought it's probably the best bet to buy another 986 with nice bodywork and just swap everything over. There isn't much done to the shell during the engine swap, it's basically bolt in other than making a little bit of extra clearance for the turbos. It's obviously a s
t load of work to do but in terms of the time taken it might be similar to how long if I took it for a respray or if I tried to wrap it.As I was looking for a potential car I suddenly thought about a newer 987. If I could pick off something cheap from the bottom end of the market I could sell the engine, gearbox, brakes, etc. I will sell all the parts I don't need from my current Boxster (including the wheels and probably coilovers). My fag packet maths has me sitting in a newer Boxster and with some cash back in my pocket rather than spending out more money sorting out the bodywork. Sounds good in theory.
The 987 is very similar to the 986, I don't expect many issues, a few wiring changes, i'll need to do a bit more work on the canbus to get the dash all working but I expect it to all bolt in and be running quite quickly. One thing i'll need to do is run a return fuel line as the 987 doesn't have one. I'm sure i'm overlooking other stuff and this won't be as easy as I think but time will tell.
On the hunt for a 987, one came up on ebay a day ago with a knocking engine and sold within an hour. I was gutted i'd missed out on it but it came back on ebay today, spoke to the owner, he wanted the money quick as it was his only car and he needed to get a replacement so I went straight down to buy it. I'd done my fag packet maths on a 6k example with a healthy engine being worth 2k, this one has a sick engine (not a bottom end knock) which is probably still worth £500 and the the car cost 3.5k so that's a good start. I do need to factor in getting it transported.
The photos weren't very good quality in the advert and the text was minimal. Every car I seem to buy has a piss poor advert, people don't do what they are selling justice. This is the advert photo and bellow is a photo from today. Amazing what a difference a wash and a decent picture does.
Going by the sellers photos I was expecting it to be a bit ropy so I took a chance on it (if the bodywork was bad there is no point bothering as i'd be in the same boat). I was presently pleased when I saw it in the flesh. It's enthusiast owned, the seller is in a Porsche club, the car had Michelin Pilot Sport tyres all around. It's not perfect but it's tidy, only thing of mention was some marks on the bumper by the bonnet. The interior could do with a spruce up. I'm really pleased with it, it's a 2007, the mileage was 107k I think so reasonable. I wouldn't have picked silver but they all seem to be silver, black or grey. Spec wise it seems quite basic but it does have the hardback sports seats, a set of them sold on ebay for £1850 which is nuts, i'd rather the Recaro's in mine anyway so i'll fit those and sell the sports seats. It's got a carbon wrap on the spoiler that i'll remove, i'll get rid of the stickers on the windscreen and the air deflector in between the seats. I'll probably keep the sticker on the bottom of the door, wouldn't have bought one to fit myself but it looks alright I think.
This idea is easier said than done, it's going to be difficult in reality I think. I'm probably going to have to do them both on my driveway side by side as I can't figure out how i'll be able to do it in the garage, i've got a lack of space plus the pit will likely get in my way rather than help as i'll need to lift the shell up over the engine.
It's not lost on me that I've been building this car for 3 years, it's still not finished and i'm pulling it apart. I don't want to be one of those people that starts a project talks it up and the doesn't finish it. It could be argued that I prefer being under it than in. For some reason I'm still carrying some baggage from the fire, I often find myself hesitant to take it out. I'm hoping that the 987 has a bit of fresh feeling to it as it has a different cabin and apparently a different driving experience.
New car looks really good! I hear you with lack of interest if the car looks tatty - I had tatty paintwork, so didn't bother checking that very optional stuff called oil.
Unfortunately I think the fire will be with you for a long time, but I am sure it will ease.
Hey, they say you should build 3 houses - one for your enemy, one for your friend and finally the one you get just how you want it! It sounds like a massive job "just" swopping engine over, but with knowledge of what order to do things it will go across easily!
Good luck!
Unfortunately I think the fire will be with you for a long time, but I am sure it will ease.
Hey, they say you should build 3 houses - one for your enemy, one for your friend and finally the one you get just how you want it! It sounds like a massive job "just" swopping engine over, but with knowledge of what order to do things it will go across easily!
Good luck!
I won't dig too deep on the 987 engine. I made that mistake on the original engine in my current 986, I bought specialist tools to take it apart and didn't manage to fix it and wasted my time. I think with this one, unless I can work out the issue is without digging deep, i'll just take videos of it running, compression test it and sell it as spares.
I took the Boxster out for it's last drive yesterday. It felt a bit strange, so much work went into it and knowing i'm about to kill it.
I took a little video of it running and a bit of a walk around.
https://youtu.be/toC-BPbtTN8
I took the Boxster out for it's last drive yesterday. It felt a bit strange, so much work went into it and knowing i'm about to kill it.
I took a little video of it running and a bit of a walk around.
https://youtu.be/toC-BPbtTN8
The 987 arrived on Tuesday. It's nice, i'm happy with it for the money.
I've been taking the engine out of the 986. To get it out I need to remove the inlet manifold as I run the gear cables through the Vee (white and black).
I said I probably won't be able to do this in the garage but I wanted to give it a go rather than work outside. The issue is the pit kind of gets in the way, before I'd lift the back of the shell up in the air using my engine hoist and wheel out the engine, I can't do it like that when there is a big hole in the floor. I've managed to do it but it wasn't a particularly graceful operation. I had to move the car right back so the engine was roughly inline with my chain block hoist. Then I lowered it onto a transmission jack that's in the pit with the gearbox sitting on the step of the pit (which stopped me getting in the pit).
Once the engine was in the pit (which was only just wide enough). I could lift the arse end of the car up on some axle stands with wheels on them.
Then I pushed the shell forward out of the way and used my chain block hoist to lift the engine out of the pit and out of the way. Like I said, not graceful but it's done. It can't go back in like this as I can't get into the pit once the engine is there. I think the way around it will be to basically do the same but remove the gearbox and down pipes so it's easier to manage and I can get into the pit.
The plan now is to strip the 986 down to remove all the parts that'll sell and then get rid of the shell. I'll also be doing a bit of work on the engine, check the timing (chains and belt) and give it a lick of paint to make it look a bit nicer.
I've been taking the engine out of the 986. To get it out I need to remove the inlet manifold as I run the gear cables through the Vee (white and black).
I said I probably won't be able to do this in the garage but I wanted to give it a go rather than work outside. The issue is the pit kind of gets in the way, before I'd lift the back of the shell up in the air using my engine hoist and wheel out the engine, I can't do it like that when there is a big hole in the floor. I've managed to do it but it wasn't a particularly graceful operation. I had to move the car right back so the engine was roughly inline with my chain block hoist. Then I lowered it onto a transmission jack that's in the pit with the gearbox sitting on the step of the pit (which stopped me getting in the pit).
Once the engine was in the pit (which was only just wide enough). I could lift the arse end of the car up on some axle stands with wheels on them.
Then I pushed the shell forward out of the way and used my chain block hoist to lift the engine out of the pit and out of the way. Like I said, not graceful but it's done. It can't go back in like this as I can't get into the pit once the engine is there. I think the way around it will be to basically do the same but remove the gearbox and down pipes so it's easier to manage and I can get into the pit.
The plan now is to strip the 986 down to remove all the parts that'll sell and then get rid of the shell. I'll also be doing a bit of work on the engine, check the timing (chains and belt) and give it a lick of paint to make it look a bit nicer.
The plan is the smash through it while i'm in furlough and have the time. I don't know when i'll need to return to work, could be a week, could be a month. If I get called back to work half way through it, I think it'll probably drag on and i'll miss another summer so it's full steam ahead.
I'm going to try and change a few things. The 987 has working air conditioning and a done of receipts for replacement parts on the system. I'd like to get that working. I didn't bother on the 986 as it was all broken and I was tight for money. There are two ways I can do it, buy an Audi pump, bracket and pipes (all of which I threw away a few years ago) and go to a hydraulic company to get the lines connected up. The other way will be to mount the Boxster pump on my engine which will probably need to be in a different location as I don't think the lines are long enough.
I'm unsure about the ECU, i'm considering using the original ECU to keep the immobiliser, to run the dash and trigger all the relays and piggy back mine off that. It seems to be the way everyone else does it. That said, I can sniff the CANbus on my standalone ECU, figure it all out and get rid of the factory ECU, I already know how to get around the immobiliser and trigger all the relays from doing the 986.
The other thing is the exhaust, i'm not happy with how loud it is. I'd like to fit some OEM silencers off something else (maybe something valved). This can be done at any point so depending on how my furlough is looking this might be a job for the future.
I'm going to try and change a few things. The 987 has working air conditioning and a done of receipts for replacement parts on the system. I'd like to get that working. I didn't bother on the 986 as it was all broken and I was tight for money. There are two ways I can do it, buy an Audi pump, bracket and pipes (all of which I threw away a few years ago) and go to a hydraulic company to get the lines connected up. The other way will be to mount the Boxster pump on my engine which will probably need to be in a different location as I don't think the lines are long enough.
I'm unsure about the ECU, i'm considering using the original ECU to keep the immobiliser, to run the dash and trigger all the relays and piggy back mine off that. It seems to be the way everyone else does it. That said, I can sniff the CANbus on my standalone ECU, figure it all out and get rid of the factory ECU, I already know how to get around the immobiliser and trigger all the relays from doing the 986.
The other thing is the exhaust, i'm not happy with how loud it is. I'd like to fit some OEM silencers off something else (maybe something valved). This can be done at any point so depending on how my furlough is looking this might be a job for the future.
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