Vini – the Powerflex V8 Mini

Vini – the Powerflex V8 Mini

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Fast Bug

11,765 posts

162 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Following with interest!

craigjm

18,028 posts

201 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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Nice

oobster

7,114 posts

212 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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That SZ is my dream car, so stylish.

Looking forward to more updates on the Vini though!

Hyde

514 posts

149 months

Saturday 7th March 2020
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96eight said:
How many headlights does one man need?



Two cars.

One designer/stylist



Uploading the pictures has destroyed the colours, I'm afraid.
Amazing clap

The ideal way to fill a 2 car garage..... as long as the driveway is full of Minis biggrin

96eight

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135 posts

235 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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With a bare shell and a slightly less bare brief this is where the knowledge, experience and black magic of EDM came in.

I decided that, whilst driving, having both hands on the steering wheel for as long as possible would be a great idea.

Therefore we ruled out a sequential dog box with a lever change and opted to use the originalE92 M3 7 speed dual clutch box.

Advantages – Strong, available, and would be mappable with the ECU we had in mind.
The disadvantage was that it is heavy.
Great, that’s that bit sorted.

Plainly the Mini has no transmission tunnel so we knew that the front bulkhead would need significant attention, to say the least.

We have to get the engine back into the shell and low enough to clear the bonnet.

How do we go about getting this beasty in?


It is at this point that EDM had to stop, sit and think. Measure, guess, stop and think again.

Decisions made now as to engine position and angle would affect everything.

It is no exaggeration to say that a single mistake now could make the whole thing nonviable.

But that mistake might not become apparent for months to come.

The engine has a complex sump with a small clearance gap for the M3 steering rack.

We had to position the engine so that the sump would allow our steering rack to be in that gap.

The position of the rack controls the hub position, but the hub position is controlled by the wheel centre position and that cannot change.

The rack position dictates the wishbone and strut position. So all aspects of the front geometry are controlled by the engine position and height.

The engine angle controls the gearbox centre line, the propshaft and therefore diff position as well as impacting on the rear suspension.

Of course he had to take into consideration the exhaust system and ground clearance.

So it was now time for Eliot to get busy with the can opener.

A fair bit of this bulkead and floor was going to have to go to get the engine as far back as possible and positioned correctly to get the steering rack in place.
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Well, it's in place ish


See how much further we've been able to get the engine. (when I say "we" I mean the Royal "we")


This is just the engine in situ against the bulkhead


Now we are getting somewhere


So much further back


A fair bit of sheel strength gone already and we haven't started removing the floorpan yet


Very complex and efficient sump. We considered a dry sump system but we weren't convinced it would improve matter but it would add complication.

Usget

5,426 posts

212 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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This is utterly ridiculous. In for the long haul!

MKnight702

3,115 posts

215 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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Ayahuasca said:
Have there been many (any) front wheel drive V8 powered cars?
How about a proper Mini?



Plus, of course, there is the GTD Mini pickup, but that's not FWD.

Edited by MKnight702 on Monday 9th March 13:59

96eight

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135 posts

235 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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I bet that was a handful

rev-erend

21,433 posts

285 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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I've been doing a bit of research for you.

Engine Weight E92 M3 V8 450 lbs R53 Cooper S 300lbs
Gearbox Weight E92 M3 170lbs R53 Cooper S 105lbs

So looks like the front springs will need to be approx 100lbs stronger just to take the additional weight as a starting point.

Naazpatel

7 posts

95 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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rev-erend said:
I've been doing a bit of research for you.

Engine Weight E92 M3 V8 450 lbs R53 Cooper S 300lbs
Gearbox Weight E92 M3 170lbs R53 Cooper S 105lbs

So looks like the front springs will need to be approx 100lbs stronger just to take the additional weight as a starting point.
You need to re-research with the correct car? R56 Cooper S

MDifficult

2,085 posts

186 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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As a massive fan of MINIs, V8s and M Cars I can only say...

For the love of God!!...


Speed addicted

5,596 posts

228 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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I like this level of madness! It'll be epic.

8bit

4,888 posts

156 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Threads like this are why I still come to visit Pistonheads. Sir, I salute you, looking forward to more of this.

96eight

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135 posts

235 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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So to engine positioning.

Having described how critical the location of so many components are at this point, a lot of parts had now to be test fitted in a way that would allow some adjustment.

Trying to guess where the front subframe will go.

Box sections were tacked into place and the Impreza front subframe and steering rack mount secured in a way that the engine could be bolted in and moved around in all three directions.

Such a difficult thing to do with a heavy engine and things like the wheel position relying on the fit of everything else.

Engine mounted on heavily modified subframe


It isn’t easy to find the words to describe how hard this stage was for www.edmotorsport.co.uk

So starting from the wheel centre, the lower wishbone is fitted to the Subaru hub.

Wheel in place for positioning with subframe, rack and lower wishbone


The inner wishbone joint is connected to the subframe and the steering rack is mounted on the subframe.

None of this is adjustable.

These were the fixed control points.

The subframe has to fit in the gap in the sump and the engine has to fit to the subframe.

The engine has to fit in the shell at a height and position to allow the gearbox to be aligned correctly and the drive line from the back of the gearbox has to point somewhere pretty close to where we hope the rear diff might fit.

Plus we need to get the twin exhausts at a height that does not limit ground clearance.

Subframe position reasonably fixed. (box sections will not stay. These are ugly, heavy and only partially fitted for strength)


Turn7

23,710 posts

222 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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epic engineering challenge, love it !

Matt Cup

3,168 posts

105 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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This > Project Binky

Megaflow

9,486 posts

226 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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I assume the Scooby front subframe and suspension is because the standard Mini parts need far too mich modification to work.

96eight

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135 posts

235 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Please see above for detailed explanation

james_TW

16,291 posts

198 months

Wednesday 11th March 2020
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Am loving this - Question though: I'm assuming this will be for road use, but will it need an IVA given how far it's changed?

96eight

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135 posts

235 months

Wednesday 11th March 2020
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It will be road registered, yes.

Um. We’ll be crossing that bridge when we get to it!