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idealstandard

665 posts

57 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Live out there, or Portugal, or somewhere similar for couple years lose your uk tax status, extract the ltd dividends tax free, then proceed to live wherever you like

Smart move if you're tired of getting bad value with a shifting demographic of attitudes and want to do it that way

2manycars

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2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Sway said:
fk me, I've read some bks on PH but that takes the biscuit.

Having built a business that's earnt you millions, you're off because you've got a 'little bit more' rofl but think the country has turned socialist and won't let businesses grow?

Then, to cap it, you're going somewhere where 'everyone pays their way' - yeah, especially the slave labourers and 2nd tier underclass serving the Emirati and rich westerners.

I'm some way to the right of centre, but that is utterly crass.
You obviously can’t read that well then can you?
I said I’m all for people that have a little bit more should pay a bit more. So I don’t know what point you’re making there.
And yes, this government does not reward hard work, they tax it to within an inch of you being profitable.
Allow me to explain my ‘crassness’!
I pay 25% in CT, I have enormous PAYE bills, VAT is VAT so therefore I don’t really count that as it’s just a pass on charge. My staff demand more money every 6-12 months because of the cost of living, yet their performance and attitude slips constantly. The reason for this, pandemic. Everyone wants flexi time because that’s how it was during Covid. I deal with businesses everyday that say that they can’t continue to trade because their bills have doubled if not trebled since 2020.
Crime is rising at such a rate that if I can move my two young daughters out to a safer country then I will do.
My HR director stole over £50k from me over the course of two years and she was caught 3 years ago. We are trying to move forward with prosecution but the police aren’t really that interested. Yet she has tried to take us to tribunal for unfair dismissal, something that the tribunal courts were taking serious!!!
I’m having to pay 200% council tax on my house that I’m trying to renovate because I’m not living in it. The reason I’m not living in it is because the council are too slow to even look at my planning, and as much as I try and talk to them or get a meeting with them, I get shut down, why? Because they mostly work from home now due to hybrid working.
I listen to people talk constantly about how hard it is for them to live a normal life due to the living cost growing at an exponential rate, yet I can go to Italy or France and get a breakfast for under a fiver.
BOE Interest rates have to get to around 7% for them to get back to some normality, yet in doing that they will strangle the average working family, millions of people will not be able to pay their mortgages and banks will fall. Then there’ll be another government bailout, so what then?
The government prints more money and we get what? Hyperinflation. Next thing you know we are heading the same way as Zimbabwe (hyperbole I know but you get the point).
So basically all I’m saying is that the government is a joke and is run by clowns, the only way they know how to get out of debt is to tax people more. They can’t tax the average working person anymore so what then? They privatise the NHS and anything else they can think of, which in turn strangles people even more.
So before you start thinking I’m moving away because I have ‘a little bit more’, which is totally out of context to what I said. Maybe have a think about the real reason why I’m moving, which is to go somewhere where things are a lot more equal than over here.
And a good day to you too sir.

idealstandard

665 posts

57 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Very fair and measured response and sums up a lot of people's issues with the UK right now

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

255 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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2manycars said:
Sway said:
fk me, I've read some bks on PH but that takes the biscuit.

Having built a business that's earnt you millions, you're off because you've got a 'little bit more' rofl but think the country has turned socialist and won't let businesses grow?

Then, to cap it, you're going somewhere where 'everyone pays their way' - yeah, especially the slave labourers and 2nd tier underclass serving the Emirati and rich westerners.

I'm some way to the right of centre, but that is utterly crass.
You obviously can’t read that well then can you?
I said I’m all for people that have a little bit more should pay a bit more. So I don’t know what point you’re making there.
And yes, this government does not reward hard work, they tax it to within an inch of you being profitable.
Allow me to explain my ‘crassness’!
I pay 25% in CT, I have enormous PAYE bills, VAT is VAT so therefore I don’t really count that as it’s just a pass on charge. My staff demand more money every 6-12 months because of the cost of living, yet their performance and attitude slips constantly. The reason for this, pandemic. Everyone wants flexi time because that’s how it was during Covid. I deal with businesses everyday that say that they can’t continue to trade because their bills have doubled if not trebled since 2020.
Crime is rising at such a rate that if I can move my two young daughters out to a safer country then I will do.
My HR director stole over £50k from me over the course of two years and she was caught 3 years ago. We are trying to move forward with prosecution but the police aren’t really that interested. Yet she has tried to take us to tribunal for unfair dismissal, something that the tribunal courts were taking serious!!!
I’m having to pay 200% council tax on my house that I’m trying to renovate because I’m not living in it. The reason I’m not living in it is because the council are too slow to even look at my planning, and as much as I try and talk to them or get a meeting with them, I get shut down, why? Because they mostly work from home now due to hybrid working.
I listen to people talk constantly about how hard it is for them to live a normal life due to the living cost growing at an exponential rate, yet I can go to Italy or France and get a breakfast for under a fiver.
BOE Interest rates have to get to around 7% for them to get back to some normality, yet in doing that they will strangle the average working family, millions of people will not be able to pay their mortgages and banks will fall. Then there’ll be another government bailout, so what then?
The government prints more money and we get what? Hyperinflation. Next thing you know we are heading the same way as Zimbabwe (hyperbole I know but you get the point).
So basically all I’m saying is that the government is a joke and is run by clowns, the only way they know how to get out of debt is to tax people more. They can’t tax the average working person anymore so what then? They privatise the NHS and anything else they can think of, which in turn strangles people even more.
So before you start thinking I’m moving away because I have ‘a little bit more’, which is totally out of context to what I said. Maybe have a think about the real reason why I’m moving, which is to go somewhere where [d]things are a lot more equal than over here.[/d]
And a good day to you too sir.
Are we still talking about Dubai!? Equal!? Perhaps, if you were moving from Saudi Arabia.

I can understand why a wealthy chap would want to move to Dubai. Lots of reasons. Almost all of them have Sheikh Mo's head on them.



Doofus

26,479 posts

175 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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So are you exiting the business, or will you still have all those headaches anyway? smile

2manycars

Original Poster:

2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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idealstandard said:
Very fair and measured response and sums up a lot of people's issues with the UK right now
Yep, I love this country and had to think about it for a long time. Who knows, I might absolutely hate it, however I won’t know if I don’t give it a shot.

ThomW

1,171 posts

30 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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2manycars said:
You obviously can’t read that well then can you?
I said I’m all for people that have a little bit more should pay a bit more. So I don’t know what point you’re making there.
And yes, this government does not reward hard work, they tax it to within an inch of you being profitable.
Allow me to explain my ‘crassness’!
I pay 25% in CT, I have enormous PAYE bills, VAT is VAT so therefore I don’t really count that as it’s just a pass on charge. My staff demand more money every 6-12 months because of the cost of living, yet their performance and attitude slips constantly. The reason for this, pandemic. Everyone wants flexi time because that’s how it was during Covid. I deal with businesses everyday that say that they can’t continue to trade because their bills have doubled if not trebled since 2020.
Crime is rising at such a rate that if I can move my two young daughters out to a safer country then I will do.
My HR director stole over £50k from me over the course of two years and she was caught 3 years ago. We are trying to move forward with prosecution but the police aren’t really that interested. Yet she has tried to take us to tribunal for unfair dismissal, something that the tribunal courts were taking serious!!!
I’m having to pay 200% council tax on my house that I’m trying to renovate because I’m not living in it. The reason I’m not living in it is because the council are too slow to even look at my planning, and as much as I try and talk to them or get a meeting with them, I get shut down, why? Because they mostly work from home now due to hybrid working.
I listen to people talk constantly about how hard it is for them to live a normal life due to the living cost growing at an exponential rate, yet I can go to Italy or France and get a breakfast for under a fiver.
BOE Interest rates have to get to around 7% for them to get back to some normality, yet in doing that they will strangle the average working family, millions of people will not be able to pay their mortgages and banks will fall. Then there’ll be another government bailout, so what then?
The government prints more money and we get what? Hyperinflation. Next thing you know we are heading the same way as Zimbabwe (hyperbole I know but you get the point).
So basically all I’m saying is that the government is a joke and is run by clowns, the only way they know how to get out of debt is to tax people more. They can’t tax the average working person anymore so what then? They privatise the NHS and anything else they can think of, which in turn strangles people even more.
So before you start thinking I’m moving away because I have ‘a little bit more’, which is totally out of context to what I said. Maybe have a think about the real reason why I’m moving, which is to go somewhere where things are a lot more equal than over here.
And a good day to you too sir.
And that, folks, is a well constructed, factually based retort. No hyperbole, no bullst, just a very well roudned argument about why the UK is awful at the moment. Enjoy the UAE Pete, I hope it suits you. I was in Dubai for 9 months and it didn't agree with me, mainly the heat and 'falseness' of everything. Though as it was only 9m I believe that skewed my experience as I never really let myself get fully immersed, I was always a visitor in my head. I'd advise going out with the mindset of staying for a long time, it'll definitely help.

I lived in the US for 9yrs and absolutely loved every minute of it - yes the US has its issues - many of them - but out in Oregon where I was it was as close to perfect as I can get. I'd still be there now tbh, but parents are getting very old now and I felt I needed to be here to spend time with them while I can. When they're gone I'm certain i'll move back.

2manycars

Original Poster:

2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Doofus said:
So are you exiting the business, or will you still have all those headaches anyway? smile
No I’ll still be in the business but it’ll just be a different way of running it. I was with a lot of the suppliers at Wimbledon yesterday, we was talking about what we will be doing moving forward. My main goal is to make sure that the consumer is paying less for their energy year on year, something we as a collective will be taking to the government.

mickk

29,063 posts

244 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Anyway fk all that stuff, how many miles you managed to put on the Singer?

Doofus

26,479 posts

175 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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2manycars said:
Doofus said:
So are you exiting the business, or will you still have all those headaches anyway? smile
No I’ll still be in the business but it’ll just be a different way of running it. I was with a lot of the suppliers at Wimbledon yesterday, we was talking about what we will be doing moving forward. My main goal is to make sure that the consumer is paying less for their energy year on year, something we as a collective will be taking to the government.
You said:
I pay 25% in CT, I have enormous PAYE bills, VAT is VAT so therefore I don’t really count that as it’s just a pass on charge. My staff demand more money every 6-12 months because of the cost of living, yet their performance and attitude slips constantly. The reason for this, pandemic. Everyone wants flexi time because that’s how it was during Covid. I deal with businesses everyday that say that they can’t continue to trade because their bills have doubled if not trebled since 2020.
So you'll still have all this, and now you want flexible working too?

hehe

ThomW

1,171 posts

30 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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mickk said:
Anyway fk all that stuff, how many miles you managed to put on the Singer?
According to the DK Engineering ad - 30 miles.

Sway

26,514 posts

196 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Nice rant - but if you genuinely think that Dubai is a 'lot more equal' when it has a massive indentured foreign workforce who've had their passports confiscated and are forced to work in slave conditions, then all that ranting about the UK is completely irrelevant.

Tbh, if you'd have said all that about the UK and were moving to various parts of Europe/Continental US - it'd make a lot of sense. UK governance is a state, as it is in many places - but few of those complaints regarding tax are particularly onerous. After all, they've not stopped you from living a life have they?

But holding the cesspit that is Dubai up as a model of excellence and fairness in comparison to the UK? Laughable.

Adding in the mention of your daughters, when Dubai ranks 120th out of 153 countries for gender equality... Crikey. You are aware of the number of women imprisoned for having consensual sex outside of marriage? Or getting pregnant out of wedlock? Or 'guardianship' where many of the 'rights' women have are only on the basis of formal permission from a male relative/spouse?

mickk

29,063 posts

244 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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ThomW said:
mickk said:
Anyway fk all that stuff, how many miles you managed to put on the Singer?
According to the DK Engineering ad - 30 miles.
yikes

2manycars

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2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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said:
Thank you, yeah I must admit I’m not really looking forward to the falseness of Dubai, but I live in Cheshire now so I’m pretty use to it haha. However I am a big believer in Nepotism and I have a LOT of contacts over there, I’ll be using my contacts and my own industry knowledge to try and better things over here. Honestly I think I can do more good over there than I can over here. How messed up is that?
I always fancied America but unfortunately since the pandemic it has become a place I don’t think I’d like to live. Such a shame too, our two countries are too similar in how it’s run and who is running it.
Sorry to hear about you leaving for your folks but it’s a very nice thing to do. Would you ever go back?

2manycars

Original Poster:

2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Doofus said:
So you'll still have all this, and now you want flexible working too?

hehe
rofl

epom

11,760 posts

163 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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The Manta, it'd be happy to keep it in Ireland for you smile

Good luck on your travels !!

ThomW

1,171 posts

30 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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2manycars said:
Thank you, yeah I must admit I’m not really looking forward to the falseness of Dubai, but I live in Cheshire now so I’m pretty use to it haha. However I am a big believer in Nepotism and I have a LOT of contacts over there, I’ll be using my contacts and my own industry knowledge to try and better things over here. Honestly I think I can do more good over there than I can over here. How messed up is that?
I always fancied America but unfortunately since the pandemic it has become a place I don’t think I’d like to live. Such a shame too, our two countries are too similar in how it’s run and who is running it.
Sorry to hear about you leaving for your folks but it’s a very nice thing to do. Would you ever go back?
I'll absolutely go back. Mum sadly only has 6 months to live, dad will battle on but I honestly can't see him being around for much more than a few years sadly. So yeah will definitely go back.

The US is such a vast place, you just need to find the pockets of awesome. I was in Bend, Oregon and honestly it was just like the UK but with nicer people. I was very lucky that I had full healthcare with my job for me and my family, and my God it was so much better than the NHS is, understandably given the extortionate cost the company was paying.

There's loads i'm loving about being back in the UK, seeing my huge family, parents, the culture etc but wow the way this place is being run into the ground is like seeing someone relentlessly kicking a puppy.

2manycars

Original Poster:

2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Sway said:
Nice rant - but if you genuinely think that Dubai is a 'lot more equal' when it has a massive indentured foreign workforce who've had their passports confiscated and are forced to work in slave conditions, then all that ranting about the UK is completely irrelevant.

Tbh, if you'd have said all that about the UK and were moving to various parts of Europe/Continental US - it'd make a lot of sense. UK governance is a state, as it is in many places - but few of those complaints regarding tax are particularly onerous. After all, they've not stopped you from living a life have they?

But holding the cesspit that is Dubai up as a model of excellence and fairness in comparison to the UK? Laughable.

Adding in the mention of your daughters, when Dubai ranks 120th out of 153 countries for gender equality... Crikey. You are aware of the number of women imprisoned for having consensual sex outside of marriage? Or getting pregnant out of wedlock? Or 'guardianship' where many of the 'rights' women have are only on the basis of formal permission from a male relative/spouse?
Are you ok? And I mean that genuinely.
Please show me anywhere I’ve held up Dubai as a model of excellence and fairness! I haven’t, because it’s not.
They ship people in to do the stty work, to clean the streets, to drive the taxi’s, to do the care work and all the other things that the locals are too precious to do, and after all that they still won’t be treated as anything but an immigrant……….oh wait, am I talking about the Windrush generation here!!!!!
Obviously you’re just bitter about something, obviously you just don’t like what I’m saying. And that’s cool. What I said wasn’t a rant though, it was purely factual. I’m not picking out certain things and trying to change the narrative like you are.

And yes, I’m very happy to take my daughters to Dubai. Do you know what the average childhood in the U.K. is now. And I say average so don’t start twisting my words and changing the narrative.
Most children come home from school and jump straight on their iPads or phones, most want to play with their friends online instead of play in the woods or a field.
I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a group of children on their bikes just going for a ride. Why? because parents are so scared of what might happen to them.
So yeah I’d rather take my girls to a place where they can play out on the beach with their friends and not have them sat in the house on their devices.
Will I live forever in Dubai? No.
Will I come back to the U.K.? I doubt it.
Should any of this bother you? Not at all.


2manycars

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2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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ThomW said:
I'll absolutely go back. Mum sadly only has 6 months to live, dad will battle on but I honestly can't see him being around for much more than a few years sadly. So yeah will definitely go back.

The US is such a vast place, you just need to find the pockets of awesome. I was in Bend, Oregon and honestly it was just like the UK but with nicer people. I was very lucky that I had full healthcare with my job for me and my family, and my God it was so much better than the NHS is, understandably given the extortionate cost the company was paying.

There's loads i'm loving about being back in the UK, seeing my huge family, parents, the culture etc but wow the way this place is being run into the ground is like seeing someone relentlessly kicking a puppy.
Ahhhh st man, so sorry to hear about your mother. You definitely did the right thing coming back though, that’ll mean the world to her.
Would you go back to Oregon or look at somewhere else?
Yeah the culture over here is something I’ll definitely miss being over there, however it is time to move on. I’ll definitely do a lot of travelling whilst living there as from the Dubai airport you can pretty much get to anywhere with one flight. I quite fancy a few months in Bali.


2manycars

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2,750 posts

180 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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epom said:
The Manta, it'd be happy to keep it in Ireland for you smile

Good luck on your travels !!
Haha thanks man but it’s already in Ireland along with my other rally cars. Next time I’ve over there (should be quite soon actually) I’ll post it on here and if you want to come along and see it then feel free.