Rover 75 CDTi Tourer

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Spinakerr

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Thursday 14th October 2021
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Muddle238 said:
Any luck on the search for a ZT-T 260?

I was very tempted by the Le Mans green example currently advertised, however the wife has imposed a strict one in, one out policy and so one of my “old wrecks” is (hopefully) leaving for a new home next week, after that I can finally start a meaningful search for a V8 myself.

I was going to update my own 75 thread but it seems to have been lost within the depths of PH..
Yes actually we have been spending quite a bit of time on this idea. I built up a significant amount of info from Jules and the twosixties board on a buyer's guide, and went to see pretty much every MG estate that went up for sale this year.

Overall it was a deflating experience - the V8 may be rare but that's not a single reason to price something at 10k. Many have low mileage and good paint/interior but sorely lacking in pro-active maintenance, even oil changes or tyres less than 10 years old. This is the exact opposite of what I really want - a workhorse with a V8 I can park outside.

I think the reality is a lot of these V8s are with 'enthusiasts' that cover low mileage and very few check the Prodrive specific components or do any rustproofing under the pretty paintwork. In recent years the costs and parts availability for doing required work on a 15 year old that is relatively obscure has let standards slip, and if you tot up a bill for the required rear brakes, suspension and some proper remedial waxoyl treatment you're soon knocking on 15k.

So I haven't found one we were happy with yet, and it may be the case that something fitting what I perceive to be the right value and level of useability from the right prior owner just... doesn't exist.

Glad yours is motoring along - hope you find a V8 that fits the bill.

Spinakerr

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Sunday 24th October 2021
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Muddle238 said:
It’s why I’m holding onto our diesel, over the years I’ve inadvertently spent so much time, effort and money on it not only keeping it in good, reliable working order but also trying to return it to almost as-new condition, it’s in far better condition than when we bought it. I’d struggle to find another in as good shape without having to spend another small fortune on brining one up to scratch. Oh well.
mercedeslimos said:
But it thrives on being used, and nothing major (touch wood) has gone wrong It's a diesel and is an excellent workhorse, but every year for the test we replace something suspension or brake-related and it gets a better and better drive.

If I was you I'd have a good look at a relatively well-used but well-looked-after V6 that someone has lavished attention on. Having said that, I know the underside needs a rub down and a waxoyl, REALLY not looking forward to that job...
Thank you both - really its about cutting down to known quantities for the car that we rely the most on in the worst situations to just go and do things without a second thought. The 75 stays for the time being.

Recently I took it on a long weekend to Wales with a friend for hiking, the only item that failed was a dipped headlight bulb, which I had in the boot. It tackled muddy lanes, farm tracks, inadvertedly-encroached-upon green lanes and horizontal all-night rain with a shrug.





Bulb warning light sadly doesn't mean the Rover has a great idea.



This contortion act to the access flap is now well-known. Osram bulbs in, otherwise I know I'll be here again in 2 months.





Some further photos from the area for your viewing consideration. The wooden bridge at Penmaenpool was a highlight. 80p well spent - 20p tip well deserved!







Cadair Idris without a soul for 6 hours...





Plus our neighbours:




Spinakerr

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Monday 25th October 2021
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If I drive any of them to anywhere further inward of the Big Smoke, I will be billed.

Except the GT6. But then I planned to sell that about 6 months ago. And at present its blocked by a Saab 900 with a broken exhaust, an Alfa 164 with a broken exhaust, and a Rover 75 with a broken exhaust.

Spinakerr

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Sunday 31st October 2021
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Thanks all.

darkyoung1000 said:
Stunning shots of Cadair Idris,that takes me back!
Glad the Rover behaved itself, even if you're now suffering exhaust woes on multiple vehicles...
Better to have a to do list of known issues, than unknowns that need tracking down! Tis a beautiful part of the world. We will be back.

Muddle238 said:
Glad to see it's not just me who is well versed in the contortionist act through the wheel well bulb access panel! Glad to see the car is still pressing on.

I've found however that should the nearside dipped headlamp bulb go, it's easier to go in from above; open the fuse box cover, remove two large securing screws towards the aft and the single 10mm hex bolt at the front, then the whole fusebox can be pushed in towards the centre of the car. This gives ample room for two hands to easily access the back of the headlight unit, as opposed to squeezing in through the wheel arch access. Unfortunately the offside access doesn't have a similar trick AFAIK...
Never tried it from above - I seem to have a muscle memory now - I think I could do it blindfolded. Not that impaired sight would be any different from the standard effort in this car, but still.

Oil change at 175k today - new Mahle filter & seals, healthy gluggage of 10w40 from Millers. Less than 20 mins and no drips. Onwards to 200k!





Spinakerr

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Saturday 20th November 2021
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The 75 has been ticking along nicely of late - no issues and no complaints. The driver's side inner handle chrome 'bezel' fell off, and the hole in the axhaust is still there, but for the moment we're set with a trouble free Rover for winter duties.



I contemplated buying a set of steelies and winter tyres as my wife is starting a new job with a lot more miles, early morning starts and a significant amount of muddy tracks...but until she gets the contract in hand I'll hold off! A new set of tyres for the original, slightly tatty, tuning forks might be more efficient and not clog up precious garage space with wheels.

Currently negotiating ramp space from friends to swap over the the exhaust end.

Spinakerr

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Thursday 30th December 2021
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The 75 completed standard haulage duties in November and December, the only expense being two new tyres at the crack of dawn Christmas Eve. A respectable 30k from the Falkens, and two new ones set me back ~£200 with fitting, alignment and all the other sundries at Micheldever tyres.







They simply are the best place for effecient service and as little or as much info as you want. The laser alignment needed a bit of tweaking to get right, and the girl torquing the wheel nuts noted the brake discs were on their way out (as noted by Jules and I earlier this year). Not even a hint of 'best book that in with us...' or some such nonsense - just an observation as the wheels went back on.

I haven't done the exhaust yet but I will - I'll likely be ready by the time the next blizzard marches through the UK.

Spinakerr

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Saturday 1st January 2022
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Yes I believe they are part of the same group (ProTyre), at least on some metric. Micheldever have served me well for over 20 years, and I have no reason not to use them where possible.

Happy new year to all - I hope everyone is keeping safe and plotting some ludicrous purchases & sharpening the spanners for 2022.

It wouldn't be the end of a year without a last-minute drama - at 17:00 on new year's eve I get a call from the wife, who has stopped the Rover as it was 'making a racket, losing power after a roundabout, and the exhaust looks to have dropped down'.

It being NYE, the RAC stimate was 4 hours, so I grabbed a tool kit and jumped in a nearby working car..



...and joined her on an industrial estate just off the aforementioned roundabout somewhere on the A322. After dispensing christmas cake to my good lady, a quick inspection revealed the final exhaust hanger had failed. It looks like the Lambda sensor was knocked and so the car went into a limp-ish home-not-really mode.



Many thanks to the security guard of the industrial estate, who allowed my wife to park up and sit in the lights to keep her safe and allowed me to park up with tools and take a gander.

Temporary fix at 18:00... cable ties?



Hmmm - what about the shoulder strap from the toolbag?



Done! Clipped on the the hangers and adjusted for correct height. Adjusted lambda wire and car was back to normal.



We trundled home in convoy, lit a fire and toasted the new year. Phew.



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Edited by Spinakerr on Saturday 1st January 15:03

Spinakerr

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Saturday 1st January 2022
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Cambs_Stuart said:
Excellent McGyver'ing! Plus it shows the benefit of having a spare car...
Or two? Exactly! I may need another as the Alfa is currently in pieces and likely to be somehwere else for 2022...

darkyoung1000 said:
A superb fix, nice work! I love seeing (and doing) these roadside repairs.
A very happy new year to you, and here's to more projects /spannering/adventures in 2022. Mine are likely to be 2 wheeled after accidentally buying another bike!
Likewise! Well that's two less wheel to worry about ... right?

mercedeslimos said:
I love those sorts of repairs! My parents' one has form too, one point the backbox breaking off and hanging there, and a year later (after being welded back on with my pigeonst gasless welder) the whole pipe decided to come free of the downpipe and fell off on the road. I obviously had forgotten about the cable ties holding most of the exhaust rubbers together biggrin

Exhausts just seem to be a thing with 75s!
Yep seems common wiht the 75/ZT, but also somewhat down to high mileage with no problems pulls owners into a vague sense of reliability. This one had given me plenty of notice that one hanger was broken, and I have the new exhaust in the shed...this was a definite foot-stamp moment after the other cars all got stainless steel replacements!







Spinakerr

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Friday 7th January 2022
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Exhaust replaced. Though not without some trials.

Last weekend I noted the forecast was for properly cold weather and frost, so resolved to swap that simple exhaust on the 75. Its one long pipe, a single bracket and two rubber hangers. What could possibly go wrong? Ehhhh.....

Jacked up the car on one side, pretty good access to the certain tunnel. Some plusgas and the two 13mm nuts on the bracket came away. Exhaust wiggled a bit.



With no rear hangers intact the old exhaust came out after a decent shake.



The new exhaust I threaded over the convenient bracket and slotted it into the front section. But... the hangers would not line up... and the bend fouled the rear suspension. What was I doing wrong? No matter which way I fettled it, nothing would line up.





I enlisted some help as this was getting to be heavy work.



We took the whole thing out, measured it - it was 3 inches shorter than the previous one! Damn pattern parts!

I attempted a halfway mend by bending the rear hangers, but this moved a key bend to foul the suspension.



We wrestled it hither and thither, but in the end I gave up and just bolted it vaguely tight at front and hung it with jubilee clips at the back.



I called Redhill Classics and they restored my sanity - booked it in for a slot on Thursday, wife took it over. They added a sleeve and rehung it in 15 minutes flat. Absolutely brilliant service. Phew.





We now have a fully working fleet with beautifully fitted exhausts, all set for 2022.

Spinakerr

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Thursday 13th January 2022
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Oh goodness! Well I'm glad you weren't too far from home or in adverse weather conditions - hope you get it sorted.

Just to note Jules recommended a Klarius part which did not fit on mine, so be forewarned...

I know what he's going to say about the bulbs "Where the Osram... mmm... others seems to be absolute crap... mmm... I would use better ones..." or some such. Do pass on my regards!

Spinakerr

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Friday 14th January 2022
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r44flyer said:
Is the exhaust short because it's for the saloon, perhaps?
Hi there - no it was too short in the central section, joining to the downpipe - the saloon and estate both have the same wheelsbase so it would have fouled the suspension in either case. Saloon has slightly shorter final backbox seciton, if I recall correctly, but this not the issue.

Spinakerr

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Sunday 27th February 2022
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I noticed a few drips of oil on the driveway and popped the bonnet to investigate. Luckily just a loose dipstick, announcing itself with a glossy visual fanfare, but the intercooler and turbo pipes showed some more of the standard oil misting that signifies a porous pipe.




I marked this for investigation and also noted the fuel lines around the in-engine filter were starting to crack.





Does anyone know what standard fuel line can be used for these? Or if replacement under-bonnet line sets are available? I tried all the standard Rover caves but must be missing a trick.


Finally I targetted the one piece of visible rust on the bodywork - at the rear wheel arch. This was a victim of the van's broadside some year ago but some rust had crept into my touch-up job. This time I sanded it back correctly, applied Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80 and then a few topcoats of the correct Rover paint.










Not perfect, but better than a multiplying scab.


Spinakerr

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Sunday 6th March 2022
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Cambs_Stuart said:
Nice nit of tinkering. Does the dipstick often come loose or could it be a symptom of something more sinister?
Good spot on the fuel hose. I must check mine...
Rich1973 said:
Dipstick blowing out can be as a result of a blocked PCV filter.
Have you changed the filter at all?
mercedeslimos said:
As for the PCV, I replaced mine with the BMW vortex one in 2017 and it's been fine, though it's starting to blue smoke a bit when cold.
Thanks all - I did change the PCV a few years ago but have another ready to go in. Its due a change anyway so I'll crack on with that and the fuel lines (replacements, correctly rated, have arrived) and hope the underbonnet issues are banished.

My wife is adding significant miles each week now with her work commitments, so I'm aiming to take a trip to Wales to see Jules and generally poke around a bit.

Ican't quite believe the plans for the new ULEZ expansion - that really would be the death knell for this trusty car...


Spinakerr

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Saturday 23rd April 2022
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The Alfa Romeo needs a deep clean before Auto Italia next weekend, so I decided to change the PCV on the Rover.



A straightforward job for a sunny afternoon - 20 minutes without bother - the 3 M bolts on the engine cover come off, then 5 bolts on the air box.



The PCV housing sits snuggly behind the injectors, so the E5 (or E6?) injector wiring harness bolts also need to be removed. The PCV housing can then be encourage out, four bolts later, and the unit examined.



Quite an icky little unit - here you can see the old filter, two hardened seals and the replacements from DMGRS.



A quick scrub in the general area and I reassembled it - now I can monitor the oil misting and see what develops.

181k and still ticking along...


Spinakerr

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Monday 25th April 2022
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Indeed, very satifying, but as the old girl has been suffering significant winter mileage I think a proper deep clean is on the cards, along with a headlight polish.

The wife's work means this car is permanently full of twigs, dried mud, boots, sharp instruments and wet overcoats. The 75 shrugs it all off without a care.

On item noted on the MOT was a misty shock absorber, and sure enough it has started to develop a slight clumpy clonking at the rear. Time to book a trip to Wales...

Spinakerr

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Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Those of a nervous disposition, look away now...

The 75 continues serious hauling, mileage and also quietly building a list of items to be addressed with Jules the Rover guru at the next trip to Wales. Until now the list had - rear shock absorber knocks, likely lower engine mount has (finally) gone and needs replacement, as well as the rear parking sensors giving up for some reason.

After a recent wash it looked respectable at 183k:





However - I did what no car lover should do at the end of the day to their pride and joy - I poked a rust scab. It was tiny, I didn't mean to! But the fear of unknowning is greater for me than any resultant cornflakes.

On the front left sill, this:






Became..






This is vaguely normal for a 75 at this age, but I was hoping previous rust treatments would have held it back. It appears the factory underseal has 'retained' water between the outer and inner skins, and so looks fine on the outside but begins to filo-pastry itself on between the two.

With a big sigh, I took out a 2p size hole of bran flakes, treated as much as a I could and then (faint distant gasps) applied some filler. Until I can get them welded correctly, don't worry.







Plus some Bilt Hamber product applied liberally while I was in the vicinity.



What about the other sills? Well... similar issue of a 'bad sandwich filling', but no holes other than the ones that are supposed to be there. I believe I have caught it at the 'outer sill panel only' stage, as the inners are very solid.

Time to book those welding courses....!






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Spinakerr

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Thursday 2nd June 2022
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Appreciate all the comments, it helps to have a few sympathisers and I know a number of you have been through significant rust work!

Jules also recommended Tom Hobbs so I think that'll be getting booked in. The lower engine mount and brake discs that are pending I'll aim to do myself to softent he blow, then have Jules help out ont he shocks and check all my work later in the year. Let's see how long Tom's waiting times are!

Happy tinkering over the long bank holiday all!

Spinakerr

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Sunday 26th June 2022
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Last Saturday I got up at an unsociable hour to take the 75 for some significant surgery with Thomas Hobbs in Nottingham. The 2 hours up in traffic free comfort reminder me, again, how great this car is at demolishing mileage.



A slightly faffy bus/train/tube/train got me home, which naturally took out a good chunk of my weekend. The picture received this week from Thomas made up for it though - all four corners were in various states of crumbliness - here are some before and afters in a potentially illogical order for your delectation:

Rear right:



Eep:











Front left:



Eep again:









I'm duly impressed by the work, and can't wait to have this car back. First up will be some significant waxoiling BEFORE the rust sets in this time.

I sonder if Thomas will take on the Saab 900 sills....

Spinakerr

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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The Rover is back and the bill is paid - £900 all in, including VAT. I believe this to be very reasonable given the number of panels (all four corners!), hours of extensive fabrication and even paint in the right colour. Very much recommended - I can't PM you for some reason Stuart but TJ Hobbs can be 'found' easily.

After a long work week a 7am start on a Saturday to tussle with Tubes and pedestrians wasn't an attractive proposition, but the train and subsequent Taxi was perfectly fine.



Thomas is a gentleman and petrolhead - ongoing Sierra and Volvo projects with significant engines from the correct eras were abound. This time he took me through the work completed, some of his experience and the sort of jobs he's keen on, plus the wonderful selection of vintage tools to gaze at.














The next patient was in the waiting room...




The sills are exemplary - and in the correct green to boot. Over 2 hours saunter back with the air con blasting - the 75 is ready for summer hauling and road trips. But it defintiely needs a deep clean, plus the brake discs. Oh and the rear misty shock. The rear parking sensor stopped as well...






Eh. Cars.

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Spinakerr

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Wednesday 13th July 2022
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Thanks all - yes he did re-apply the tougher stone chip sfyle effect on the bottom, and the paintwork itself is a very good match.

The work itself took a week and a half, I left it with him for 2 as that was easiest for both of us.

Most importantly he was easy to speak with, discuss work and sent all the pictures above as work progessed.

As he has the panels pressed that saves a lot of fab time, buf nevertheless I am send the Saab his way for remedial work as the pennies allow.

Deep clean of the Rover is commencing, fhoughthe heat beats me at present. I may tavkle the discs this weekend if time and exhaustion permits!