Nissan Skyline R32 GTR - Group.. A?
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trails said:
Yeah, it's also quick and also zero maintenance which is really handy on party-wall side...looks neat too 
It's <10% over the 30m2 external dimensions of the concrete pad so once its been insulated unlikely it will be over...worse case scenario I insulate the garage part fully too
Oh yeah, no doubt you'll be under 30m2 inside then. It's <10% over the 30m2 external dimensions of the concrete pad so once its been insulated unlikely it will be over...worse case scenario I insulate the garage part fully too
Cheers for the cladding idea, definitely food for thought.
Superhoop said:
A friend was at Thruxton at the weekend, at the Historic 2021 event.. There may have been a certain Calsonic Skyline present in one of the races..
Did you manage to make it down there..?
There's nothing much group A about that calsonic apart from the sticker unfortunately. The kyoseki car was there though, which is the only real deal jtcc gpA outside of japan.Did you manage to make it down there..?
Jonny-Jimbo said:
One of my friends is onto building his third garage / workshop on his property. They're all a decent size. You can get round the internal dims rule slightly by attaching thicker batons etc on the insides of the walls, with the insulation on. After it's been checked, strip it off, and put standard sizes back on.
Yeah I'll probably push it a little bit. As you say, if I come to sell the house I can baton it up for another ft or so... After a lot of work, taking out 20 tonnes, breaking up 6 tonnes by hand with a sledge, the concrete is finally poured. I'll try and update with a picture at some point. It's been a reet battle. Rain, breaking tarps, broken pump truck. Onwards and upwards.
Mark Benson said:
I was sent to Lidl last week for bread and ended up buying a cheap welder thanks to watching your videos. Wife was happy.....
It's probably 30 years since I last stuck metal together with pigeon s
t welding but at £80 I though this was a relatively cheap way of learning all over again. Or wasting lots of sheet.
ah brilliant! Its not waste, its all just learning man. Welding is the best fun anyway, molten metal, what more could you want. It's probably 30 years since I last stuck metal together with pigeon s
t welding but at £80 I though this was a relatively cheap way of learning all over again. Or wasting lots of sheet.Ok garage. Here we are all dug out with membrane in. Underneath is 150mm hardcore, 50% of that is broken by hand from what came out, with the finer type 1 ontop. Blinded with sand. Although MOT1 is so fine I think sand blinding is BS.
Then the monsoons came. Put a circus tent up which then pulled out its eyelets under the water weight.
Fixed it. Bought an eyelet putter inner machine, very good. Cheaper than another tarp.
And yesterday poured the concrete. Just to add, its got A142 reinforcement steel in too, just no pictured. All stood up on little mesh men. Because of my inability to level ground well, and my worries over thin concrete, its 200mm thick in places. 7 cubes of cement.
Thats how it's sitting then, the pour was yesterday. Never done it before, it was very stressful. Since this final photo its been bull floated a few times, so is a lot smoother.
I did rent a power float, but because of the rain getting on in places I didnt want to risk it. The slab needs to be really controlled to use one, bleed water needs to stand then return into the top. So without that control I didnt want to ruin what I'd done.
Next step, 3 courses of bricks, then wood.
Fishlegs said:
Bloody good job. That's well into "hire an actual man" territory for me. Impressive.
Need a R32 video soon. You gotta help me out, mate. Just one more hit. I'm itching real bad. My GP prescribed some Harry's Garage, but it's just not the same, man...
Couldn't even get a quote off a man, but glad I didn't really. This has cost me ~2.5k to get the slab in. Id imagine it would have been 6-7k for a 'pro' to do the same. And I don't think they would have put the same amount of anxiety spec over engineering into it. Need a R32 video soon. You gotta help me out, mate. Just one more hit. I'm itching real bad. My GP prescribed some Harry's Garage, but it's just not the same, man...
haha, I'm trying man. Defo be a month or so. Many juggles at the moment!
trails said:
Knocked my existing garage/workshop down last week and will be digging out and slapping shuttering in this weekend. Rain has been a blimming pain to say the least...neighbours aren't super stoked with the Harris fencing and tarp though!
Good luck! The rain is so bad. This Columbian jungle cocaine shelter I built really helped, but it was added stress. Neighbours have been great about it luckily. One side has been handing sourdough over the fence, the other has had their little lad getting excited about all the plant hire stuff.Gallons Per Mile said:
Watching with interest. Currently trying to buy a house with a dilapidated double garage that needs knocking down and rebuilding... If I ever get past the estate agent hurdle of them actually forwarding an offer to the vendor. 
I don't envy you, buying houses is so grim. Good luck Although, I'm after a Santorini E92 at the moment, which all seem to be owned by similar people. People who like numbers thrown at them, and the attention over their car, but have no intention of selling.
Edited by alexcrosse on Wednesday 23 June 09:33
Brick work is done. Few courses of bricks to do a couple of things, keep the wooden structure off the floor and protect it from damp, and allow me to have a higher max height.
The garden changes level by about 10" from one side to the other. On the left of the pic, this brickwork will be caked in bitumen and backfilled with soil. Because I'm measuring the height from there, I'll be able to go to 2.7m not 2.5m effectively.
Rain has slowed things. But hoping to order all the materials for the main structure this week, ideally take some time off work and 'pop it up' next week maybe.
Still not found an E92. Hopefully viewing one next weekend. Little on the leggy side, but a special one, so hopefully its still a sound investment if I can get it for the right price.
The garden changes level by about 10" from one side to the other. On the left of the pic, this brickwork will be caked in bitumen and backfilled with soil. Because I'm measuring the height from there, I'll be able to go to 2.7m not 2.5m effectively.
Rain has slowed things. But hoping to order all the materials for the main structure this week, ideally take some time off work and 'pop it up' next week maybe.
Still not found an E92. Hopefully viewing one next weekend. Little on the leggy side, but a special one, so hopefully its still a sound investment if I can get it for the right price.
TimmyMallett said:
This is unacceptable.
My YouTube account has basically Mighty Car Mods, Bad Obsession Motorsport and your channels and I just watch whichever content is up.
Granted, they're all on different levels but putting your home office first is wholly disappointing.
haha! this ain't no office mate, this is where the skyline build will continue. My YouTube account has basically Mighty Car Mods, Bad Obsession Motorsport and your channels and I just watch whichever content is up.
Granted, they're all on different levels but putting your home office first is wholly disappointing.
As with the calsonic, its another rep from the same company. From when I saw a vehicle and its component parts at autosport a few years ago its not got the accuracy I work at. Looking at their vids and sale pages nothing has changed. Whenever these cars get some publicity I get a million messages about them, and I try to behave myself as much as possible.
Its got an FIA HTP, but its not built to the original FIA homologation. I could pick a hole in every single component. Neither does it make 1000hp, that's just science, its a 2.6l at 2 bar, it would have to make 334hp atmospheric with the same P3 pressures and higher than ambient intake temperatures (considerably higher considering the comp map of that frame of turbo).
On a less negative side, Jake really can pedal and get the most out of those cars. And looking at them in a more absolute style, as a car, they're obviously blisteringly quick and the build quality is high.
Its got an FIA HTP, but its not built to the original FIA homologation. I could pick a hole in every single component. Neither does it make 1000hp, that's just science, its a 2.6l at 2 bar, it would have to make 334hp atmospheric with the same P3 pressures and higher than ambient intake temperatures (considerably higher considering the comp map of that frame of turbo).
On a less negative side, Jake really can pedal and get the most out of those cars. And looking at them in a more absolute style, as a car, they're obviously blisteringly quick and the build quality is high.
Edited by alexcrosse on Thursday 15th July 13:50
Some progress. Had a week of just ordering materials. Shopping around a lot was required to catch each merchant before they put prices up again. Ended up with a horrendously big pile of C24 timber, OSB, HardiePlank, and a 180kg steel.
Its a bit of a strange build. Because of the proximity to the boundaries there's no room to work so I have to make sections up and then lift them into place. Another issue from being close to the boundary is the requirement for cement cladding (fake wood hardieplank). So once you have a ~2m section made its quite a heavy lift into place.
The sections are 2x4 C24 frame, 18mm OSB skin, covered with membrane, baton, cladding.
This is where I'm at now. Once the back wall is finished I can break into a more traditional construction method and build it in place. It's a 100mm drop on the roof, like a flat roof, but with the peak in the middle. Hoping it'll give a gable end esq view from the front, despite the very slight angle.
Also caked the retaining wall in bitumen on the outside, as well as any exposed slab. There's a DPC before the timber structure, and the membrane is looped under. As far as sheds go it'll be pretty comfortable I hope.
Its a bit of a strange build. Because of the proximity to the boundaries there's no room to work so I have to make sections up and then lift them into place. Another issue from being close to the boundary is the requirement for cement cladding (fake wood hardieplank). So once you have a ~2m section made its quite a heavy lift into place.
The sections are 2x4 C24 frame, 18mm OSB skin, covered with membrane, baton, cladding.
This is where I'm at now. Once the back wall is finished I can break into a more traditional construction method and build it in place. It's a 100mm drop on the roof, like a flat roof, but with the peak in the middle. Hoping it'll give a gable end esq view from the front, despite the very slight angle.
Also caked the retaining wall in bitumen on the outside, as well as any exposed slab. There's a DPC before the timber structure, and the membrane is looped under. As far as sheds go it'll be pretty comfortable I hope.
Update. Really been trying to push ahead with this, but the rain has had other ideas. None of the wood I've used is treated, its all C24 graded construction gear, so I've been having to keep stuff covered / spray it with protection, then stop during the weeks of rain.
Anyway, enough excuses. Here's most of the walls and the steel up. I have really good friends, me asking to help lift this 180kg death trap into place by hand was totally out of order.
Here's the front finished. Car hole, window hole, person hole. The person hole is really big, so I can move bigger tools and materials in and out without scraping the '32.
Then I had a day off to crack on with the roof. All joists are up..
Not bad for a days work. Also managed to get 90% of the roof boarded. Will finish the ends tonight. Big rush with this bit has been that once its boarded, I can tarp over the boards, and work on the inside in any weather. Insulating, boarding, painting. I'll probably come back to the roof in another month I think, once I've started to move bits in.
Because of the shallow angle it'll be EPDM covered, not the prettiest but the internal height is great. The steel and the peak in the middle means I have managed to achieve half the height delta compared to a typical A to B flat roof. Also gives quite a pretty fake gable end projection at the front.
Finally.... bought an E92 M3. Here's a picture of my Son in direct sunlight, woops. It's alarmingly nice. I did look at some fancy KA401s and stuff like that, but this came up at the right price and just made more sense. Freed up some budget for some Pro 5000R's that are in the post too.
What's next? Cladding remaining walls, interior, moving bits in. My deadline is October to have everything in, and maybe a catch up video shot. I've had a lot of messages regarding videoing this shed build, but its way too embarrassing filming where my neighbours can see, so pass!
Anyway, enough excuses. Here's most of the walls and the steel up. I have really good friends, me asking to help lift this 180kg death trap into place by hand was totally out of order.
Here's the front finished. Car hole, window hole, person hole. The person hole is really big, so I can move bigger tools and materials in and out without scraping the '32.
Then I had a day off to crack on with the roof. All joists are up..
Not bad for a days work. Also managed to get 90% of the roof boarded. Will finish the ends tonight. Big rush with this bit has been that once its boarded, I can tarp over the boards, and work on the inside in any weather. Insulating, boarding, painting. I'll probably come back to the roof in another month I think, once I've started to move bits in.
Because of the shallow angle it'll be EPDM covered, not the prettiest but the internal height is great. The steel and the peak in the middle means I have managed to achieve half the height delta compared to a typical A to B flat roof. Also gives quite a pretty fake gable end projection at the front.
Finally.... bought an E92 M3. Here's a picture of my Son in direct sunlight, woops. It's alarmingly nice. I did look at some fancy KA401s and stuff like that, but this came up at the right price and just made more sense. Freed up some budget for some Pro 5000R's that are in the post too.
What's next? Cladding remaining walls, interior, moving bits in. My deadline is October to have everything in, and maybe a catch up video shot. I've had a lot of messages regarding videoing this shed build, but its way too embarrassing filming where my neighbours can see, so pass!
B'stard Child said:
Looking good Alex - enjoying the shed temporary deviation - stick at it you’ll soon be back on the car again
Cheers buddy, shouldn't be long now. And it'll make the videos much nicer too, lighter and better to watch. I did see you from a distance at RRW, but I was behind a fence (that's where they keep me) and you were in the zone so I couldn't say hello.
MortyC137 said:
You're making the rest of us look bad, you know.
Congrats on the progress, the car, the kid, the skills, the R32... I have to assume that the rest of your life that doesn't get posted is an absolute train-wreck to counter-balance some of the manliness. That or I really need to get my st together...
Haha, yeah, rest of my life is a mess mate!Congrats on the progress, the car, the kid, the skills, the R32... I have to assume that the rest of your life that doesn't get posted is an absolute train-wreck to counter-balance some of the manliness. That or I really need to get my s
t together...Gallons Per Mile said:
Well done mate, that shed's looking excellent! Like your choice of daily too 
I'd be interested in what it looks like with your car and bits inside - what are you internal dimensions? Also, if you don't mind me asking, can you give me a ball-park cost for the completed thing? My house purchase is going through so I'm going to be doing something very similar in the not-too-distant future. Although I think I'd want a proper pitch roof so I can get a ramp in there...
Haha, not a daily, actually more of a track / weekend car. Look, these arrived yesterday! I'd be interested in what it looks like with your car and bits inside - what are you internal dimensions? Also, if you don't mind me asking, can you give me a ball-park cost for the completed thing? My house purchase is going through so I'm going to be doing something very similar in the not-too-distant future. Although I think I'd want a proper pitch roof so I can get a ramp in there...
It'll suddenly get smallllll when it gets a car and everything in there dude. But I've made it as big as I can inside. I'll give it a measure but its about 5.5 x 6.
Cost wise... I think the slab cost me about 2k. That's because I did everything myself, so costs are digger rental, skips (20t removed), concrete, pump truck, hardcore, sand, mesh. Slab is big, 7m3. Strong lad.
The three courses of bricks cost me about £250 in materials to do. Again, did it all myself so no labour. Borrowed a mixer off a mate.
Now the structure... this is where it gets ugly because of brexitiers. Timber costs have more than doubled. All the constructional timber, hardie planks (fire proof cladding), OSB, few other bits, probably came in at 5k. I've got another 2k to spend on internal boarding and insulation and then its done.
So total 9k? You could probably triple that if you paid other people to do the work.
Unit rent went up to 250 a month, So it'll pay for itself in 3 years. We're planning to be here for 5, so no brainer
Plus it means I get time to work on the skyline. And should we sell the house and someone is looking for a space to build another Group A skyline in, it might add some value to the property.In terms of the roof. I managed to take advantage of a garden slope, which means my peak is essentially at 2.7m. I thought I'd get it built quicker, so didn't apply for planning for >3m. Although in hindsight I could have had time to get planning, I'm kind of glad I didn't. Any bigger would have been really intrusive in the surroundings. The 'fake flat' construction I have done using the steel has kept the eaves height to 2.6m too, so internally its 2.45m.
Although I wouldn't be able to walk under a car, I've specced the slab for a lift. I thought I'd like the option to put a 2m low level lift in there. Even getting a car off the ground would be nice. But I'll review the space once I'm in. If I were living somewhere with more space, yes, I'd have it as tall as possible.
frayz said:
Enjoyed watching on the IG mate. Good to see.
Cheers buddy. Enjoying keeping an eye on your OTT clio antics too man. You're mental. Bits bits bits. She's clad lads. Had a friend come round and help with this because they're long and heavy, the boards. Rubber roof is also laid down but not bonded, and the facias are done. Rubber seemed the most sensible cost wise, also because of the angle it was the best at the job.
The inside is the main focus at the moment. I've insulated the whole chap with 70mm PIR, walls and ceiling, so there's a 30mm air gap before the outer OSB. Then I put a thick vapour barrier over the entire thing, and have been boarding up with 9mm (its all I could afford) OSB.
Priority is to get out of the unit in October. So I'm aiming to get the last bit of boarding finished, the inside painted, and then just move stuff in. I'll fabricate the doors once all my tools are here because I'll probably make them from steel.
I can't imagine I'll be spending much time on the skyline even when it's finished. Ran out of money, so will be looking to spend more time with the family, do some fabrication jobs out of hours, and drive the m3. I'll let the '32 progress pick up naturally.
Got the bearings on the '92 done too. She's had quite a few blokes in her, bless her. Because I don't know how they all treated her it made sense. They're medium really, but the older style bearings and the rear cylinders were showing a little exposed copper. Now it's something I don't need to worry about. I cant afford to rebuild an RB26 and an S65. Actually I cant afford to rebuild either.
Not long, give me a few weeks and we'll be moving stuff. I'm going to have to bolt some bits to the shell to make it roll, so I'll probably have a video of that at the end of sept.
The inside is the main focus at the moment. I've insulated the whole chap with 70mm PIR, walls and ceiling, so there's a 30mm air gap before the outer OSB. Then I put a thick vapour barrier over the entire thing, and have been boarding up with 9mm (its all I could afford) OSB.
Priority is to get out of the unit in October. So I'm aiming to get the last bit of boarding finished, the inside painted, and then just move stuff in. I'll fabricate the doors once all my tools are here because I'll probably make them from steel.
I can't imagine I'll be spending much time on the skyline even when it's finished. Ran out of money, so will be looking to spend more time with the family, do some fabrication jobs out of hours, and drive the m3. I'll let the '32 progress pick up naturally.
Got the bearings on the '92 done too. She's had quite a few blokes in her, bless her. Because I don't know how they all treated her it made sense. They're medium really, but the older style bearings and the rear cylinders were showing a little exposed copper. Now it's something I don't need to worry about. I cant afford to rebuild an RB26 and an S65. Actually I cant afford to rebuild either.
Not long, give me a few weeks and we'll be moving stuff. I'm going to have to bolt some bits to the shell to make it roll, so I'll probably have a video of that at the end of sept.
trails said:
Both shed and bearings look pretty good. EPDM roof will only take you an evening to bond and fix, did mine last night bar the corner trims.
Where did you get your insulation from, casting my net to try and find the cheapest supplier!
PGR timber, I just email / ring through builders merchants and go with the cheapest. Prices are pretty ugly at the moment as I'm sure you're finding. Where did you get your insulation from, casting my net to try and find the cheapest supplier!
Got a pic with your roof on?
trails said:
Ta. Will try them out.
Will bung a photo up later
Excellent, looking forward to an update. Shed gang.Will bung a photo up later
SWoll said:
This thread has somehow passed me by until now but having watched the first couple of build videos I'm now hooked and you have a new sub.
Going to take me a while to get up to date but keep those videos coming Alex, you're a very watchable chap and appreciate the lack of bullst + simple production style of the videos.
Welcome along man Going to take me a while to get up to date but keep those videos coming Alex, you're a very watchable chap and appreciate the lack of bulls
t + simple production style of the videos. and cheers, you'll soon catch up mate. Babies and shed build have stopped any videos for 4 months! hopefully more soon though. B'stard Child said:
That's starting to look like a nice little workshop - look forward to seeing the car and tools in and seeing what it looks like filled 
As far as running out of money goes - you'll just have to do those little jobs that cost nothing and contribute to moving the project forward
True, ive got a few little bits. And if I get any BMW distractions I may film them too. Frantically trying to balance priorities before a trackday next week that I shouldnt be doing.As far as running out of money goes - you'll just have to do those little jobs that cost nothing and contribute to moving the project forward
Edited by alexcrosse on Thursday 26th August 16:03
trails said:
Permitted development is 2.5m max height and 30m2 max internal floor space...height is measured from the highest point on the plot so if you have a wonky plot (or live on a hill like me) you can squeeze a bit more headroom out of it; I'm 2.3m at the highest point and 2.7 at the lowest. Hope that helps.
Looks fantastic mate I like the living roof idea. I did a similar cheat, and backfilled to the garden level on one side so my max is 2.7m.Someone clever on here also suggested calculating internal space as if I had an extra 100mm insulation in there, which has let me keep on the big side.
Since most people aren't into cars anymore I tried to keep in mind the next home owner will want to turn it into a pub. So insulate walls and floor, and put a bifold on the right.
Well... I think this will be the last post before I have another video. I've started making one, that has been good fun, but need to complete a few more tasks before I can wrap it up.
The inside is painted now. I need to do the metal beam with hammerite to stop it rusting through the emulsion, but it's pretty much there.
Floor is done with 'floorsaver' epoxy. I'll see how it stands up. I'm happy with the finish, but last time I used epoxy floor paint it was pretty toxic, and this seemed overly 'water based'.
Current tasks... I'm putting panel lights up and getting the nissan rolling....
Now these are just my old parts to get it rolling - although the temptation to get the car in a working state again may be over powering... lets see how we go huh. My goal is to move the car this weekend.
The inside is painted now. I need to do the metal beam with hammerite to stop it rusting through the emulsion, but it's pretty much there.
Floor is done with 'floorsaver' epoxy. I'll see how it stands up. I'm happy with the finish, but last time I used epoxy floor paint it was pretty toxic, and this seemed overly 'water based'.
Current tasks... I'm putting panel lights up and getting the nissan rolling....
Now these are just my old parts to get it rolling - although the temptation to get the car in a working state again may be over powering... lets see how we go huh. My goal is to move the car this weekend.
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