Abandoned Range Rover P38... Resurrection or Bust
Discussion
C70R said:
Congratulations, and well done for persevering!
What were the advisories?
What were the advisories?
I only had a brief look online earlier on as I was working but now I've had a proper look they're not so bad.
The brake pipes are covered in underseal because they gave the whole underside a wire brushing and sprayed with schutz to keep the tinworm at bay for a bit.
Garage thinks the noise may be a collapsed filter in the gearbox and suggest an urgent gearbox service.
Lots of stuff to order now.
And now I've got some work I can release the purse strings a bit
Edited by Tyre Tread on Wednesday 25th May 18:46
When I was driving the Strange Rover back from the garage last night the message centre said "Speed Limit 20mph". At first I thought it was being clever and thought I was speeding in a 20 mph but then I assumed it's telling me something was wrong.
After a bit of Googling it looks like it may be someone has set the speed warning to 20 MPH (presumably by accident).
After a bit of Googling it looks like it may be someone has set the speed warning to 20 MPH (presumably by accident).
Triumph Man said:
Don't know if you've been over on the Barge thread, OP, but someone posted up this video of the development of the P38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj3MauqTIn8&fe...
Thank you. I'll take a look.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj3MauqTIn8&fe...
Firstly the good news. Martin (local friend that "found" this car has got his Nanocom back so I may be able to do some great diagnostics and change some things.
The bad news. I've been trying to figure out the issue with noise from underneath and been told by a reliable source that knows these cars that the flexplates are known to shed bolts and they are prone to cracking and slipping.
I'm about to go and remove the half moon plate and see what we've got...
Byker28i said:
Has the cat got a heatshield on top thats doing the rattling?
It has but the rattling is definitely coming from within. I am reliably informed it's not unusual to put a self tapper through the outside of the pipe to hold the cat in place and stop it rattling.
I'm also told the cats are worth IRO £800 so maybe weighing them in would fund new sports cats
Spinakerr said:
Excellent news, congratulations on saving the beast - I do hope at the first meet you attend there is a full cannon salute as befits the entrance of Nelson!
Thank you. 
Just taken the old boy for his first gas fill up. 85 litres £60. (72.7p/l).
Throttle is staying at 1200rpm at idle which makes it interesting to drive but I'm not going far tonight and will have a look at it tomorrow.
Well despite the parts I ordered not arriving by "next day delivery", even though they were ordered last Wednesday, the "lubrication" did arrive:
Yes that really is 3 boxes of various oils at a cost of over £180. ATF, EP80W90, and Engine oil, a total of over 60 litres of lubricant.
As those had arrived and a local contact was able to provide me with a gearbox filter kit, we (Bob, my best man of 31 years ago was visiting) decided we might as well crack on with changing the diff oils and gearbox and transfer box ATF.
On removing the diff filler plugs (front and rear) it was evident they were full of very clean and new fluid so I just popped the filler plugs back in.
Next was the gearbox. The sump had obviously had a fair old whack at some point and my gearbox refurb mate reckoned it may have damaged what was likely to be a plastic pick up pipe inside. He provided me with the filter, O rings, replacement sump and new metal pick-up pipe and spare bolts as they are prone to snapping plus gasket. He also strongly advised me to clean the tip of the threads mounting the pan and lubricate them as they are known to shear where the steel bolts go through the alloy body. It was good advice as I'm convinced they would have sheared had I not cleaned and lubed them as they were ll reluctant to come out and creaked and cracked as they unstuck. Good advice Andy. Thank you.
Andy was right about the pick-up pipe being plastic and damaged:
Fortunately it was only cracked at it's mounting point so wouldn't have compromised the oil being drawn up but another knock could have split the pipe or broken it causing the box to be starved of oil and drive lost and possibly the box ruined.
The replacement sump was a different type as it had an outlet for a dipstick which my car didn't have:
So Andy kindly swapped it for the correct one the following day. The delay was probably not a bad thing as it meant we left the gearbox to drain further over night so we got another half litre of the old fluid out. The fluid from the gearbox wasn't too bad but slightly discoloured so probably worth changing but by then it was a done deal.
Old and new gearbox filter:
The dark grey colour of the old one was muck and wiped off.
There was only a very tiny amount of metal particles on the magnet in the sump.
We took the old filter apart and it wasn't too bad inside. I drew in the muck so we could see how good/bad it was
Not bad at all as it turned out bearing in mind this car had done 152K miles and service history for past few years is sketchy.
Next was the transfer box which also takes ATF. Bearing in mind this should be cherry red, this is what came out:
Clearly it was well overdue for a change
Yes that really is 3 boxes of various oils at a cost of over £180. ATF, EP80W90, and Engine oil, a total of over 60 litres of lubricant.
As those had arrived and a local contact was able to provide me with a gearbox filter kit, we (Bob, my best man of 31 years ago was visiting) decided we might as well crack on with changing the diff oils and gearbox and transfer box ATF.
On removing the diff filler plugs (front and rear) it was evident they were full of very clean and new fluid so I just popped the filler plugs back in.
Next was the gearbox. The sump had obviously had a fair old whack at some point and my gearbox refurb mate reckoned it may have damaged what was likely to be a plastic pick up pipe inside. He provided me with the filter, O rings, replacement sump and new metal pick-up pipe and spare bolts as they are prone to snapping plus gasket. He also strongly advised me to clean the tip of the threads mounting the pan and lubricate them as they are known to shear where the steel bolts go through the alloy body. It was good advice as I'm convinced they would have sheared had I not cleaned and lubed them as they were ll reluctant to come out and creaked and cracked as they unstuck. Good advice Andy. Thank you.
Andy was right about the pick-up pipe being plastic and damaged:
Fortunately it was only cracked at it's mounting point so wouldn't have compromised the oil being drawn up but another knock could have split the pipe or broken it causing the box to be starved of oil and drive lost and possibly the box ruined.
The replacement sump was a different type as it had an outlet for a dipstick which my car didn't have:
So Andy kindly swapped it for the correct one the following day. The delay was probably not a bad thing as it meant we left the gearbox to drain further over night so we got another half litre of the old fluid out. The fluid from the gearbox wasn't too bad but slightly discoloured so probably worth changing but by then it was a done deal.
Old and new gearbox filter:
The dark grey colour of the old one was muck and wiped off.
There was only a very tiny amount of metal particles on the magnet in the sump.
We took the old filter apart and it wasn't too bad inside. I drew in the muck so we could see how good/bad it was
Not bad at all as it turned out bearing in mind this car had done 152K miles and service history for past few years is sketchy.
Next was the transfer box which also takes ATF. Bearing in mind this should be cherry red, this is what came out:
Clearly it was well overdue for a change
Edited by Tyre Tread on Sunday 5th June 23:34
We have done a bit of running around in the Strange Rover to get parts etc but until today SWMBO had not been anywhere in the car so we took her ladyship and the dog to one the woodland walks down some country lanes about 7 miles away.
The car developed a misfire on the way at about 5 miles and didn't run right (7 or possibly 6 cylinders) on the way back.
I'll wait for the rest of the bits to arrive before I investigate as it was raining this afternoon and had to spend time with visitors.
I'll need to spend about £140 on a key and send it to a specialist so we can get a key that works the immobiliser without having to use the EKA as I have had to do so far.
The car makes me smile as it burbles along "bobbidy, bobbidy" and I've even been heard walking around the house saying "bobbidy, bobbidy" with a smile on my face. It's addictive.
The bin men cam on Friday and the garage door was open and one of the bin men said to SWMBO, "I know why the Queen isn't at Buckingham Palace now coz you've got her cars here", referring to the Range Rover and Rover P5B.
I really must get round to lining up the three V8s outside the house for a photoshoot.
The car developed a misfire on the way at about 5 miles and didn't run right (7 or possibly 6 cylinders) on the way back.
I'll wait for the rest of the bits to arrive before I investigate as it was raining this afternoon and had to spend time with visitors.
I'll need to spend about £140 on a key and send it to a specialist so we can get a key that works the immobiliser without having to use the EKA as I have had to do so far.
The car makes me smile as it burbles along "bobbidy, bobbidy" and I've even been heard walking around the house saying "bobbidy, bobbidy" with a smile on my face. It's addictive.
The bin men cam on Friday and the garage door was open and one of the bin men said to SWMBO, "I know why the Queen isn't at Buckingham Palace now coz you've got her cars here", referring to the Range Rover and Rover P5B.
I really must get round to lining up the three V8s outside the house for a photoshoot.
Managed an oil & filter change today and fitted the pollen filters. The air filter is the wrong size. 
Also made a small change to the back end
We were running around various Motor Factors this morning trying to find parts for the Marcos and I also wanted plugs for the RR. I got offered a set for £88.00 I guess I'll be buying those online. Hope they fit better than the air filter
Also made a small change to the back end
We were running around various Motor Factors this morning trying to find parts for the Marcos and I also wanted plugs for the RR. I got offered a set for £88.00
I guess I'll be buying those online. Hope they fit better than the air filterI know the T is on the piss but it sort of encapsulates the whole car really. A bit wonky.
It's temporarily parked until I can figure out the issue with the misfire. Had a look yesterday, Nothing obvious so I'll get new plugs ordered and change them (which should be fun with all the gal conversion stuff in the way).
No significant codes came up on the OBD reader so it's back to good old fashioned fault finding.
My friend who runs Angus Autogas tells me that gas systems are quite hard on ignition components (not sure how unless he means plugs).
It's temporarily parked until I can figure out the issue with the misfire. Had a look yesterday, Nothing obvious so I'll get new plugs ordered and change them (which should be fun with all the gal conversion stuff in the way).
No significant codes came up on the OBD reader so it's back to good old fashioned fault finding.
My friend who runs Angus Autogas tells me that gas systems are quite hard on ignition components (not sure how unless he means plugs).
Not as barmy? Oh I don't know. From my personal experience of Vauxhalls it's a 50/50 on which one of us goes bankrupt first. 
The Isuzu engine may make it less dangerous though.
Still, I managed to order some spark plugs today from these guys. https://www.sparkplugs.co.uk/
Who new getting spark plugs could be this hard.
Meant to nip to Halfrauds on the way home and pick up a spark plug tester but forgot so the grass got cut instead.
Can't wait to slash my arms to pieces fitting new spark plugs.
The Isuzu engine may make it less dangerous though.
Still, I managed to order some spark plugs today from these guys. https://www.sparkplugs.co.uk/
Who new getting spark plugs could be this hard.
Meant to nip to Halfrauds on the way home and pick up a spark plug tester but forgot so the grass got cut instead.
Can't wait to slash my arms to pieces fitting new spark plugs.
eskidavies said:
I had a bad misfire on a vectra ,I found the problem under the bonnet in the dark ,opened bonnet slightly,peering underneath and could see one of leads arcing out .
Yeah, I've used that one in the past. Also spraying a solvent around, if there's arcing it'll light up like a flamethrower. Ask me how I know.
Deranged Rover said:
Tyre Tread said:
We were running around various Motor Factors this morning trying to find parts for the Marcos....
Whoa there, hold on a second. I thought i was the only one daft enough to own a Range Rover and a Marcos!Tell me more, dear sir...
Which Marcos do you have. We have been trying to identify some of the parts. e.g. now established for sure that the front brakes and suspension are Herald.
I do also own a TVR Chimaera and a Rover P5B Coupe so I'm not sure which one of us takes the prize for biggest looney.
lancer778544 said:
I've got a set of 4 of these you can borrow if you want TT?
Very kind of you but I did call in at Halfords on the way home tonight and bought one of these:
I think we may have found the misfire:
PUlled the plug leads and found some quite loose and number 8 was barely lighting up the tester= very dim so probably found the misfire.
I'll crimp up the end of the leads when I fit the new plugs probably at the weekend.
The plugs look like they haven't been changed in a while.
But then...
While under the bonnet...
I got a whiff of gas...
(No I hadn't)...
I thought the supply pipe to the regulator was leaking but when I sprayed it with soapy water, bubbles emanated from the gasket the whole circumference of the regulator.
According to my gas guru it;s not worth trying to rebuild the "cheap" regulators so will need a new one.
This cheap gas is getting to be expensive.
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