R8 Rover 216 GTI sohc

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Usget said:

Also interested in the B16 swap. Always wish Rover had made one of these. There was definitely room in the market for it after the CRX become a two-seater only. The 220 Tomcat turbo was a fabulous car.

It's a while since I've been into Rovers but wasn't it the case that the Honda engines and the K-series engines spun in opposite directions, rather than B vs. D series?

Correct, K Series spins clockwise looking at the timing end, with the engine sitting over on the drivers side.

D16 spins anti clockwise looking from the timing end and the gearbox is on the drivers side.

So if a B16 uses the same box and engine mounts as a D16 might well fit with a little modification?

[rossub]

Usget said:

Maybe rose tinted specs. Did a long trip round the Lake District and Yorkshire in my mate's one about ten years ago. Fast, lovely interior, great seats, felt "special". On the downide it had no brakes whatsoever. I'd still have one if one came up in good nick... and then probably immediately regret my purchase

Yeah the seats were nice and I think the rears were bucket type affairs as well. The handling wasn’t great at all.... I remember being whooped by a Nova (albeit with performance and suspension upgrades) on back roads once. Just couldn’t be brave into the corners with it.

[JonnyVTEC]

Mr Teddy Bear said:

Correct, K Series spins clockwise looking at the timing end, with the engine sitting over on the drivers side.

D16 spins anti clockwise looking from the timing end and the gearbox is on the drivers side.

So if a B16 uses the same box and engine mounts as a D16 might well fit with a little modification?

B16 and D16 have Cambelt on the LH end so similar in that regard but a different gearbox, I used CRX and fabricated mounts and moved the front mount “fork” on the crossmember. 40mm from memory. Then used B16 CRX shafts mixed up with the Rover D16 half shaft and outer on on spider. Fortunately I could swap the spider joints on inners Cv with between the cars and benefit from the CRX taper bearings on the inner CV joint. PW0 ecu from the crx was also plug and play pretty much, just had to run extra wires for VTEC and VTEC oil pressure.

Got loads of pictures on a hard drive as I did it in 2003.

I turboed it a few months after aswell...

[aaron_2000]

aaron_2000 said:

Good video on MotoBuild here, should give you some confidence. Skip to 1:34 to get straight to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYB0TOVMjiU

Does anyone here know if the Maestro/Montego are still on the road? That Maestro looked fierce, 220 turbo'd engine.

[squareflops]

JonnyVTEC said:

B16 and D16 have Cambelt on the LH end so similar in that regard but a different gearbox, I used CRX and fabricated mounts and moved the front mount “fork” on the crossmember. 40mm from memory. Then used B16 CRX shafts mixed up with the Rover D16 half shaft and outer on on spider. Fortunately I could swap the spider joints on inners Cv with between the cars and benefit from the CRX taper bearings on the inner CV joint. PW0 ecu from the crx was also plug and play pretty much, just had to run extra wires for VTEC and VTEC oil pressure.

Got loads of pictures on a hard drive as I did it in 2003.

I turboed it a few months after aswell...

Very interesting bud, would you be inclined to do one more conversion

[mcholeboy_59]

squareflops said:

Not a bad shout aaron, I'll probably just get the Pioneer though

I thought about going back to the standard HU but then thought - why tho I would like the period radio for retro coolness but I do like my sounds, this is the unit I'll likely get

https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product_m-pioneer...

The existing head unit is actually period correct aftermarket I'd say! When did you last see a goodmans replete with old school dancing eq bars

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It's awful though, as you'd expect, can't pick up any radio stations and it shows the speakers in the car are horrendous also. Will all be changed in the next few months.

Shame about the headlining too, sure this can fixed easily enough though

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Car doesn't smell of smoke so not sure what the discoloration is but will be sorted soon too

Not quite period... I'd say between 1999-2004 these were the rage.... miss the graphic eq' s you used to get on older headunits though. And the early 00's sony units with the moving graphics. Today's are pretty boring in comparison

[squareflops]

I used to have this Sony CDX M600r in my GT4 and loved it, it had a little remote with it too and I thought it was the coolest thing ever.



I looked for another one eBay etc but alas.

aaron_2000 said:

Does anyone here know if the Maestro/Montego are still on the road? That Maestro looked fierce, 220 turbo'd engine.

Montego F304 TCF - Last taxed in 2002, no MOT
Maestro E795 EPD - SORN but MOT'd! expires on 30/03/2018 I was not expecting that..

Edited by squareflops on Wednesday 20th December 20:44

[andburg]

JonnyVTEC said:

Mr Teddy Bear said:

Correct, K Series spins clockwise looking at the timing end, with the engine sitting over on the drivers side.

D16 spins anti clockwise looking from the timing end and the gearbox is on the drivers side.

So if a B16 uses the same box and engine mounts as a D16 might well fit with a little modification?

B16 and D16 have Cambelt on the LH end so similar in that regard but a different gearbox, I used CRX and fabricated mounts and moved the front mount “fork” on the crossmember. 40mm from memory. Then used B16 CRX shafts mixed up with the Rover D16 half shaft and outer on on spider. Fortunately I could swap the spider joints on inners Cv with between the cars and benefit from the CRX taper bearings on the inner CV joint. PW0 ecu from the crx was also plug and play pretty much, just had to run extra wires for VTEC and VTEC oil pressure.

Got loads of pictures on a hard drive as I did it in 2003.

I turboed it a few months after aswell...

Listen to this man!

I remember many moons ago, Jonny and Mark Eley(memmory might be playing tricks) were the guys to talk to about B16 conversions and forced induction.

[squareflops]

More of a garage update than a Rover update however getting the garage sorted will allow me to get the Rover in there for the winter so it's relevant. I've been in the new place for 4 months now and I'm amazed that it's taken me this long to get around to even starting the garage, poor show but the weather/a bout of the flu and some other stuff has got in the way. With a relatively mild and most importantly dry day forecast I got to getting the garage started. I went to B&Q yesterday to pick up supplies, going for Ronseal Diamond Hard floor paint in Slate Grey

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I started at about 10am this morning and figured I'd have enough time to get two coats down today, wrong. I quickly realized that prep would be everything and that was going to take a good few hours if I wanted a good result. The floor was filthy from 25 years of general neglect, although the concrete did appear to be sealed in all places other than the very edges where there was evidence of dusting. I'd bought Ronseal concrete sealer but determined it wasn't actually required.

Before starting, quite grubby and messy

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The whole floor was in this state, cobwebs and general debris everywhere

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To get a decent finish I wanted to tale all the extra concrete away from the edges of the floor to make everything look a little sharper and more defined, with a hammer, chisel (of sorts) and a few extra tools I went about getting some extra definition to the sides and corners of the floor/walls

from

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to

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not 'best garage on PH' material but better. After a sweep up, starting to look a little better although I'm not sure what the indiscriminate stains/marks are

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After hoovering the entire floor about 3 times I started to cut in around the edges, I wanted to use masking tape on the walls to create a defined line when painting up to the walls but the masking tape would not stick to any of the walls, so with my steadiest hand I cut in (thankfully I could get the masking tape to adhere to the floor at the entrance)

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and first coat down

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Now at this point I had everything from inside the garage outside the garage (half 2ish) The paint needs about 4 hours drying in warmer temps than we had today so I knew it would be dark before things could be put back in there. Bit of a mess

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I also had a Rover full of junk that'd been left from previous tenants to go down the tip

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So with a few hours to wait and not really being able to go in the house for fear of the locals carting all my stuff off I set about the pretty pointless task of rotating the wheels/tyres on the Rover. Reason for this is it had the older, more cracked, more st Autogrip tyres on the front and the newish Runway Enduro 816s (ooohh aaahh) on the back, it seems to make sense to have the really st tyres on the back and the less st tyres on the front so did that

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quite a bit of silver evident on both sides of the fronts of the rear arches, who knows why, probably something to do with rust! All seems solid now though

So that was that, everything is back in the garage now which was frustrating as it will all come back out tomorrow morning for another coat but hopefully by about midday I can start organizing, put some shelving up and try to tackle the roof space and bin some more of the junk up there

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Still no power other than an extension run from the house to power the tube light so I'll be employing my leccy pal to get some power in there in the next few weeks hopefully. Not sure what I'm going to do about a work bench or tool board but it'll all come in time

[Shadow R1]

Good one.

[J4CKO]

Looks good, I alway paint garage walls white, makes the available light go much further,.

[squareflops]

Cheers, yea J4CKO I've contemplated this myself, I quite like the character? of the stone walls. It is very dingy in there atm even with the tube light on and door open, could well be on the cards, good suggestion.

Bloody rain, drizzling here all morning but I have to get the floor sorted with the second coat so cracked on. Instead of leaving everything outside I bunged a load of stuff in the Rover and the Audi (not much point putting stuff in the Boxster) which helped a lot. I also have a bbq cover that's been used to cover the rest of the stuff

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and very boring pictures of the second coat being applied

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to help as much as possible I've got the door 90% closed and the SIP 3KW heater going

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I'm hoping by around 2pm (painting finished @ 10am) it'll be dry enough to put some dust sheets down and walk around in there putting up the 'detailing shelf' etc

[LanceRS]

As has already been suggested, white walls make an amazing difference.

[TheRainMaker]

If it was me, I would paint the block and leave the nice stuff as a feature

[J4CKO]

Yeah, not quite as easy a decision if its stone, didnt notice at first but prefer the light even in my half a garage.

[squareflops]

TheRainMaker said:

If it was me, I would paint the block and leave the nice stuff as a feature

Ooh, I like that idea

[squareflops]

Might let the pictures do most of the talking on this update, I'm knackered.

Garage 1.0 is done. Still a huge way to go but the basic structure is there to build on now and can start refining/adding things over the next weeks and months.

After the floor drying (hate to think how much electricity the heater used being on all day) first job was to get rid of one big box, or re-arrange it so there was one less bulky item to sit in the garage. Mostly my car cleaning stuff which sat on the shelf in the old garage. Replicated.

Box o' stuff

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and used 8mm plug and screw to secure to the breeze block wall (adjacent side to the old garage)

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oldest trick in the book to stop concrete dust going all over the still tacky floor at this point

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shelf up

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and even almost level!

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Arranged

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Got around to a few other jobs that will tidy the garage and get some of the more bulky items up off the floor. The ramps (which I hardly ever use) were put on the concrete wall to get them out the way, wall drilled, plugged and hooks fitted

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Next to tackle was the roof. There's actually some quite useful storage space up there and even a space large and sturdy enough to get the compressor up there, when I have the help of about 3 other guys, that things a bit squrly when it gets above your head. Lots of random lengths of wood came down, some of the laminate actually went back up to serve as a temporary floor for some lighter items

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Whilst sat down contemplating life I noticed that the beams running the width (or most of) of the garage had hardly any fixings in them, the odd bent nails but not a good job. Easy enough to drill some pilot holes and put a few self tapers up to add a big of strength

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You can see the self tapers added to thew underside and I also added a fixing to the side via the hole shown

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Did this to all 8 beams, must have improved the sturdiness right

Well all done, I'll sit back and bask in the glory of the following pictures, not too bad for 2 days work

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ingenious storage solutions

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Finally, the garage was ready for its first vehicle. The Boxster or the Rover? The choice was obvious

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Will have to wait until Tuesday to get down to B&Q and pick up some metal storage units for the rear wall etc. The garage also needs wind proofing so I'll come back to that.. Not really a Rover thread atm sorry

[squareflops]

More garage work, 2 jobs done today. I noticed whilst doing the floor that the brickwork below the damp proof course on the open side of the garage was wet, looking at the the outside of the garage wall it's easy to see why

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This has got to me since I moved in purely on an aesthetic level but seeing it was holding damp against the garage wall gave me the incentive to get it sorted, spade bought for the duty. The mud/earth was surprisingly thick in places

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Cleared and swept, took a while!

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using the hose I notice this area is a low point with the brick work sloping down toward the garage wall, when I was using the hose the water was pooling along the whole length of the wall and I'm sure it's doing the same now with the persistant rain we're having, does anyone have any ideas on a preventative measure to stop water ingress into the garage through the brickwork? A flashing or a solution?

When I got the spade I also got some more tube lighting for the garage. Can never have too much light in there so set about adding some illumination, had to ring my dad to check how best to wire these up (home improvements is not my strongest area) but all went ok in the main. From 1 to 3 so far, 1 more to add in the near future close to the entrance

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and 1mm twin and earth wiring tidied up

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White lead also clipped to the beam and run toward the wall.

All of that took most of the day, went to bed at 4pm and just got up

[Shadow R1]

For light in the garage, I suggest something like this:
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/chl500sd-halogen-f...

Helps with putting light into the area you are working on.

[billzeebub]

Enjoyable read..Boxster & Rover, garage & driveway maintenance. Strong work here