Fisher Fury, impuse buy!
Discussion
Alright guys, i'm back with something interesting.
you might have followed me previous threads
mk2 fiesta zetec build - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
205 gti turbo build - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
current 208 gti bps track/fun car - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
disclaimer im heavily dsylexic, so if my grammer and spelling isnt on point I apolosise I have littreally no clue!
Ive got absolutely no idea what, i'm going to do with it. its was a total out of the blue impulse buy. i had a little bit of cash spare and then the SWMBO has decided she doesn't need a car any more. perfect timing, and i needed to act fast before she changed her mind.
i've known about furys for a long time, and alway thought the are far more attractive than the usual lotus 7 style cars. if you don't know what one is, imagine it as a lotus 7 with a 60s style aero body.
alright, so it's a little unusual, as it has a 1.6 fiat twin cam from a lancia delta i.e. mated to a fiat 131 gearbox. with a good old english axle at the back.
The car is reasonably well built. The kit was bought in 1996 but it wasn't ever registered until 2021. The car was 3 mins from my office. which was a bonus.
its got a few little issues, the diff is knackered. the pinion is toast. so i've already ordered a slightly shorted FD and LSD
. it had a 3.89 fd and ad that would make it good for nigh on 150mph. i figured dropping in a 4.12 that brings it down to 130ish. will make it a little more peppy.
if the twincam make much more that 100bhp id be amazed.
the highlight tho wet this thing only weighs in at 570kg wet! (pretty heavy for one of these)
ideas chaps? another zetec, boost it to the moon? keep it simple with some carbs and a good port? apparently the later 16v heads bolt on to the block.
the other major niggle, is the throttle pedal being about 100mm in front of the brake pedal. and being manual the brake barely moves. i found out why!
i've disconnected it here, but that arm is abit of 5mm mild steel, at about 100mm long with nothing but hopes and dreams holding it in. no wonder its bent. so currently halfway through making an adjustable quadrant with a stop so i don't break the throttle cable.
current state of it, i've only driven it home, having 205 flashbacks at least i new there were issues to fix on this one .
best bit it fits in the garage mint, there's about half a meter to where the door should be at the front. i can walk all the way around it, its bliss
SWMBO will struggle to clamp down now mini SWMBO is hooked!
you might have followed me previous threads
mk2 fiesta zetec build - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
205 gti turbo build - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
current 208 gti bps track/fun car - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
disclaimer im heavily dsylexic, so if my grammer and spelling isnt on point I apolosise I have littreally no clue!
Ive got absolutely no idea what, i'm going to do with it. its was a total out of the blue impulse buy. i had a little bit of cash spare and then the SWMBO has decided she doesn't need a car any more. perfect timing, and i needed to act fast before she changed her mind.
i've known about furys for a long time, and alway thought the are far more attractive than the usual lotus 7 style cars. if you don't know what one is, imagine it as a lotus 7 with a 60s style aero body.
alright, so it's a little unusual, as it has a 1.6 fiat twin cam from a lancia delta i.e. mated to a fiat 131 gearbox. with a good old english axle at the back.
The car is reasonably well built. The kit was bought in 1996 but it wasn't ever registered until 2021. The car was 3 mins from my office. which was a bonus.
its got a few little issues, the diff is knackered. the pinion is toast. so i've already ordered a slightly shorted FD and LSD
. it had a 3.89 fd and ad that would make it good for nigh on 150mph. i figured dropping in a 4.12 that brings it down to 130ish. will make it a little more peppy. if the twincam make much more that 100bhp id be amazed.
the highlight tho wet this thing only weighs in at 570kg wet! (pretty heavy for one of these
)ideas chaps? another zetec, boost it to the moon? keep it simple with some carbs and a good port? apparently the later 16v heads bolt on to the block.
the other major niggle, is the throttle pedal being about 100mm in front of the brake pedal. and being manual the brake barely moves. i found out why!
i've disconnected it here, but that arm is abit of 5mm mild steel, at about 100mm long with nothing but hopes and dreams holding it in. no wonder its bent. so currently halfway through making an adjustable quadrant with a stop so i don't break the throttle cable.
current state of it, i've only driven it home, having 205 flashbacks
at least i new there were issues to fix on this one . best bit it fits in the garage mint, there's about half a meter to where the door should be at the front. i can walk all the way around it, its bliss
SWMBO will struggle to clamp down now mini SWMBO is hooked!
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Friday 8th September 16:15
Konrod said:
I've built a couple of kits, first one was a Sylva leader, which was designed by Jeremy Philips, who then did the Fisher Fury. I've always loved the shape of these and the Ginetta G33. Looks like a lot of fun, and just right now winter's coming.
No clue what you're laughing at! I've got a roof for it It looks about as much use as putting my coat over the roll bar 🤣
Waitey said:
2.0 Duratec. MX-5 5 speed. Keep the rear axle.
190bhp for around £1500 all in. (and some spannering effort from you)
Yeah this is very tempting as i believe that the twin cam might be worth about of money to the right crowd. 190bhp for around £1500 all in. (and some spannering effort from you)
Consult my previous threads for the my level of spannering
what do they weigh I've always had it in my head there heavy. Alright first little update.
Tried to fit the quadrant with using the old bar as a wood ruff key. But the through bar snapped as the Hole in it was too big.
Don't Judge this wasn't going to be the final version it was going to be a temporary to get a feel for the car and descide what I'm doing.
But now the pedal box has to come out either way. So I thought f
k it.
Don't judge my welds I think that will hold for now and at least I can get the pedal in a position to heel and toe.
Will get some paint on it tomorrow.
Progress will be slow next week as I'm waiting on the diff parts and that is beyond my tools and skills to rebuild properly .
Tried to fit the quadrant with using the old bar as a wood ruff key. But the through bar snapped as the Hole in it was too big.
Don't Judge this wasn't going to be the final version it was going to be a temporary to get a feel for the car and descide what I'm doing.
But now the pedal box has to come out either way. So I thought f
k it. Don't judge my welds I think that will hold for now and at least I can get the pedal in a position to heel and toe.
Will get some paint on it tomorrow.
Progress will be slow next week as I'm waiting on the diff parts and that is beyond my tools and skills to rebuild properly .
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Friday 8th September 18:18
I've watched enough rob dahm to roughly have my head around them. But it's a hell of a step. Was going to ask what a healthy one would set me back.
But actually makes sense to get one with the apex seal failure for cheaps, as it really doesn't look that hard to rebuild one.
And I can stash that and collect the parts to bang it in.
But actually makes sense to get one with the apex seal failure for cheaps, as it really doesn't look that hard to rebuild one.
And I can stash that and collect the parts to bang it in.
carinaman said:
Nice colour! Nice engine. I think a green one may have passed my abode this week.
Don't hold your breath, my day job is vinyl wrapping. So I'm already thinking up plans. If the lancia engine is staying very tempted by an dirty looking end of race alitalia livery, to keep the lancia theme.. might just wrap it purple tho.
Jandywa said:
Waitey said:
2.0 Duratec. MX-5 5 speed. Keep the rear axle.
190bhp for around £1500 all in. (and some spannering effort from you)
This sounds like a plan to me. 2.0 Duratec are very drivable, and offer plenty of grunt. Can be easily tweaked too. 190bhp for around £1500 all in. (and some spannering effort from you)
Great looking car OP, always thought the Fury was a handsome thing.
Cheers for the replies guys. It's definitely food for thought.
Itbs and standalone management would be nice as then I can get rid of all the snakes wedding of hoes and cables. Be much cleaner install.
The plan for now is to use it see how it actually runs. And see what else is bodged to buggery on it.
This should do for now, it's Abit farmyard. At least I won't damage the cable or throttle linkage by pressing to hard now.
The car has drum brakes on the rear and uses a ford master cylinder without out any bias adjustment. So I can see that I'm going to want rear discs and then a bias box.
Not that I have anything against drum brakes on a car of this weight. It's more getting hold of pads/shoes that will cope on track. Discs gives me lots more options.
Itbs and standalone management would be nice as then I can get rid of all the snakes wedding of hoes and cables. Be much cleaner install.
The plan for now is to use it see how it actually runs. And see what else is bodged to buggery on it.
This should do for now, it's Abit farmyard. At least I won't damage the cable or throttle linkage by pressing to hard now.
The car has drum brakes on the rear and uses a ford master cylinder without out any bias adjustment. So I can see that I'm going to want rear discs and then a bias box.
Not that I have anything against drum brakes on a car of this weight. It's more getting hold of pads/shoes that will cope on track. Discs gives me lots more options.
poppopbangbang said:
Furys are awesome and this is an awesome choice!
How keen are you on moving which side the exhaust comes out of? A 1.6 Ecoboost can be had for sub 1500 quid with everything and SCS do an ECU and wiring loom kit that means it'll pretty much just run.....
I guess if I do decide to wrap it. Then not too fussed. The only major for me is most the time it will be me, on my todd so having a hot exhaust next to me in the summer won't be ideal.How keen are you on moving which side the exhaust comes out of? A 1.6 Ecoboost can be had for sub 1500 quid with everything and SCS do an ECU and wiring loom kit that means it'll pretty much just run.....
Also if this is a low compression turbo engine, (it has a turbo manifold) then the cheapest fix is to just boost it. But it's not really in keeping with what I want from it. I think it wants to be high reving NA goodness on.
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Saturday 9th September 15:17
Yazza54 said:
Great cars, I had an R1 engined IRS version years back. It's got the right bonnet on it too, the later style is nowhere near as pretty.
Wicked! Yeah I hate that leman bonnet they have done. It's looks all wrong. But then I guess they have don it for the racing and engine choices. I like the aero covers for the lights. Not seen that before
, but I need to be sensible and just wait. Just the drive home in traffic was mega. It's a riot to drive. unsprung said:
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Love the side-exit exhaust.Looks like bags of fun, this car.
When you get it the way you like it, post a video with appropriate revs. Or inappropriate revs.
, I've got a trackday booked at Anglsea in November. There's no way I'd drive this up there. That's will be the 208. But hopefully, once I have it reliable. I'll definitely take it to brands maybe thruxton or Goodwood but there not great tracks for it. Think I'll be pinned most the way around. Dr G said:
That's going to be brilliant fun - even more so if you can enjoy it with your daughter. I'm quite jealous.
Probably not a car that needs or would greatly benefit from 200BHP, although the noise/revs from that with carbs (or even better throttle bodies) would be spectacular.
This is the first none she's got properly frothy forProbably not a car that needs or would greatly benefit from 200BHP, although the noise/revs from that with carbs (or even better throttle bodies) would be spectacular.
Don't get me wrong she's been interested but this one seems to have clicked. It's probably the size is less intimidating.
Although apparently it's to loud
I do plan on addressing it as it does seem mega loud l. Although they mrs thinks it's about the same as the ,,205alan-87 said:
Love a fury. Mine had a 1400 K series but I ran out of talent taking it apart to fit a KLDE V6 engine and Mx5 gearbox so ended up selling in many bits!
Here's a pic in the ferry queue to Le Mans before I decided to start spannering though!
And one before I realised I'd got too deep
Dude you gotta stick with it, everything I've learnt about spannering has been from fHere's a pic in the ferry queue to Le Mans before I decided to start spannering though!
And one before I realised I'd got too deep
king up or you tube. Honestly I've not censored my other builds there's plenty of fkups. My mottos/headspace is always 'someone built it' so as long as that is your attitude you can do it or reverse engineer it, and adapted to suite.
Should add yours is the nicest looking le mans bonnet I've seen did younweak it as it seems to flow/fit better?
Oh and I can't believe know one has mentioned it the Te37 reps are fking disgusting. As soon as I can will be loosing them. Any suggestions? I'm thinking revolution or miniltes ? I'd go force racing bit not sure I can justify the spend. And apparently they need to be nannied to say looking goodmc
king disgusting. As soon as I can will be loosing them. Any suggestions? I'm thinking revolution or miniltes ? I'd go force racing bit not sure I can justify the spend. And apparently they need to be nannied to say looking goodmcandburg said:
2.0 duratec? Who needs torque in that thing
Twin cam Honda d16 or if you can find one cheap enough a b16 vtec 130-160bhp and let it sing to a over 7000rpm
No idea what box would mount up though
S2000 conversion would be ace but probably a bit pricey
Bonnet clearance is the biggest problem with alot of these engines. The k20 and f20c will be too tall even with a drysump I think. Definitely worth a measure up. Twin cam Honda d16 or if you can find one cheap enough a b16 vtec 130-160bhp and let it sing to a over 7000rpm
No idea what box would mount up though
S2000 conversion would be ace but probably a bit pricey
Mr Tidy said:
FWIW Fiat made that twin-cam engine with 1,438cc, 1,592cc, 1608cc, 1756cc or 1995cc, plus a 1,300cc version for the Lancia Beta Coupe. Power was anything between 80bhp and 118bhp IIRC.
Until Lancia got the 16 valve version and stuck a Turbo on in the Integrale, or put a Turbo on the 1.6 in the Delta HF.
So plenty of choice!
Guess I need to get it on a Dyno and actually see what it's making. Work out what to do with it. Until Lancia got the 16 valve version and stuck a Turbo on in the Integrale, or put a Turbo on the 1.6 in the Delta HF.
So plenty of choice!
You sound like you know abit about these lumps. I've been told that the camboxes have the oil drains adjusted to suit being mounted on an angle in the delta. So now it's level. It may have one came drowning in oil and the other with the tide out. Guess I need to pull the rockers and look for myself.
Crudeoink said:
How about a left field choice.... a BMW K1600 engine. 1600cc, 160hp straight six with a sequential 6 speed box already fitted. It's shaft drive too so alleviates some drivetrain headaches....
Interesting idea, but I don't think. It would fit between the chassis . As it's designed to be transversely mounted and the gearbox housing is part of the block. So you couldn't mount it longitudinally 
Didn't know about these. Probably a pain to get parts to tune it with but it's unique proposition.
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