996 Mileage Shocker
Discussion
So the plan was to trade the 996 in against a CSL, I have been enlightened by the BMW dealership that my car being a 2001 should only have done 6,000 a year and as such is 12k over the average mileage as it's approaching 48k.
In addition, "It is approaching it's 50k service sir, this is £1000 so we could only give you £27k trade in against our 2003 CSL"
Anyone else think this is wrong ? 2001 Porsche + £6,000 gets you a 2003 CSL. hmmm
Anyone know what the average mileage is for a 996 ? Is there one ?
Gutted !
In addition, "It is approaching it's 50k service sir, this is £1000 so we could only give you £27k trade in against our 2003 CSL"
Anyone else think this is wrong ? 2001 Porsche + £6,000 gets you a 2003 CSL. hmmm
Anyone know what the average mileage is for a 996 ? Is there one ?
Gutted !
Weapons grade cock ends.
Tell them to shove their deal up their arse.
There is no such thing as "average mileage." They've done what they've done. There is no such thing as a 50k mile service either - have they looked at the book to see when it is ACTUALLY due.
Strokers.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 30th October 12:52
bod33 said:
I have been enlightened by the BMW dealership that my car being a 2001 should only have done 6,000 a year and as such is 12k over the average mileage as it's approaching 48k.
got to give it to them for having the balls to say this to a prospective customer
do they expect people to actually believe this?
CSLs aren't that scarse on the ground so I'd have a chat with another dealer as they're trying to take your trousers down
bod33 said:
To be fair it was a nice test drive but as far as i'm concerned the cars are a very similar value so i'm not looking to bend over on this deal, legal theft ?
Wot he sed.
Ring the dealer principal and tell him you didn't go there to have your pants pulled down by some oik wearing tassled loafers and half a tub of Tesco value hairgel.
Then take your custom elsewhere.
Bod - I understand your beef, but you have to remember these are dealers we're talking about.
On a straight comparison of 'private' cars, you're quite right, your car is roughly worth the same - around the £30k mark.
However, they will have a margin on both cars. Look at Autotrader, and you'll see plenty of 2001 996's coming in at £30k ish, so I would suggest that a £27k bid isn't too far off the mark. It's the bullsh*t comments that are taking the piss!
Also CSL's around the £30k mark are becoming fairly well 'bid' as they represent good value now.
If you must go the dealer route, then this is the price you have to pay.
I would suggest going the private route. Your car with the GT3 kit is fairly desirable. Get the cash in the bank, and give yourself more room for a 'haggle'.....
On a straight comparison of 'private' cars, you're quite right, your car is roughly worth the same - around the £30k mark.
However, they will have a margin on both cars. Look at Autotrader, and you'll see plenty of 2001 996's coming in at £30k ish, so I would suggest that a £27k bid isn't too far off the mark. It's the bullsh*t comments that are taking the piss!
Also CSL's around the £30k mark are becoming fairly well 'bid' as they represent good value now.
If you must go the dealer route, then this is the price you have to pay.
I would suggest going the private route. Your car with the GT3 kit is fairly desirable. Get the cash in the bank, and give yourself more room for a 'haggle'.....
I recently sold my '00 996 with gt3 kit privately through pistonheads classified for £33250, it did have a recent extended waranty worth £750ish so equtes to circa £32500. 43K miles and in A1 condition. If you are willing to wait and also have the hassle of tyre kickers then sell privately. Otherwise the £27k bid doesn't seem too bad esp if you can knock them down on the price of the csl. I sold mine at the end of august, prices will have softened a little since then as we are entering the winter period.
Good luck.
WN
Good luck.
WN
Edited by welshnobby on Monday 30th October 13:36
CatherineJ said:
Unfortunately he is getting his figures I would guess from Glass's or CAP. Thye unfortunately show average miles per year substantially less for Porsches than most other cars.
Which is in itself a big pile of bollox, the 911 has always been the best compromise of "sports car vs. every day drive" and many people run them as their sole car/weekday vehicle. Hence this isnt a track day only weapon/fragile piece of exotica/garage queen that will only have seen sunny weekends, for most people. I therefore dont understand how guides can suggest the car should only have done 6K a year.
Maybe for a GT2 / GT3 / RS etc as these are more likely to have been bought as a focussed track day toy and seen less miles as a result, but a 996 C2 ? ? ?
6K a year my sainted arse.
R.
Do bear in mind that the BMW dealer won't re-sell your car, so he has to value it at what he can get for it in the trade. This will be influenced by Glass's Guide, which does quote low mileages for these cars but a bit of common sense means you can adjust the value accordingly for higher mileages.
However, I think it would be a brave BMW dealer who would agree to take a car of this sort of value in without first getting a trade bid, and the figure he's given doesn't seem unreasonable. Any reputable dealer he calls will be concerned about having to do the expensive 48k service as a minimum and I'm sure you know it's common for the clutch and brake discs and so on to be worn at this age/mileage, so they will make allowances for this potential preparation cost so that they stand a chance of making a living when they find a buyer for it.
However, I think it would be a brave BMW dealer who would agree to take a car of this sort of value in without first getting a trade bid, and the figure he's given doesn't seem unreasonable. Any reputable dealer he calls will be concerned about having to do the expensive 48k service as a minimum and I'm sure you know it's common for the clutch and brake discs and so on to be worn at this age/mileage, so they will make allowances for this potential preparation cost so that they stand a chance of making a living when they find a buyer for it.
thegoose said:
Any reputable dealer he calls will be concerned about having to do the expensive 48k service
if he calls all the numpty dealers that dont realise the 48k service is not a grand flat fee, then yes, you may have a point.
IIRC the second major service (48k) is £360 at an OPC.
Vesuvius 996 said:
[quote=bod33]To be fair it was a nice test drive but as far as i'm concerned the cars are a very similar value so i'm not looking to bend over on this deal, legal theft ?
Wot he sed.
Ring the dealer principal and tell him you didn't go there to have your pants pulled down by some oik wearing tassled loafers and half a tub of Tesco value hairgel.
Absolute classic, you forgot the shiny next suit!!
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DucatiGary said:
thegoose said:
Any reputable dealer he calls will be concerned about having to do the expensive 48k service
if he calls all the numpty dealers that dont realise the 48k service is not a grand flat fee, then yes, you may have a point.
IIRC the second major service (48k) is £360 at an OPC.
I'm getting quoted £860+ for a 48k/4 year service.......
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