Porsche 996 Turbo

[Cheib]

g7jhp said:

ThePrincipal said:

In December 2017, I bought a 2003 996 Turbo Coupe with 45k miles for £42k, drove 2,000 miles, spent circa £1,600 on servicing and sold it for £32k.
I also bought a 2005 Turbo Cabriolet within a few weeks of the Coupe, with 32k miles for £48k. I added just over 3,000 miles on this car, spent £600 on servicing and sold it for £38k to a company similar to 'webuyanycar' that I found on a comparison site. Both cars were manual and were sold in November 2018.

No trader would even bid on the Cabriolet, and I was getting bids of £25k on the Coupe.

Why buy a Coupe drive 2k miles and take a £11.6k bath, only to buy a Cab drive 3k miles and take a futher £10.6k bath?

You're always likely to lose some money buying and selling quicky unless you know the market, but this seems madness.

Regardless of timing the losses taken don’t surprise me too much to be honest, market has softened markedly in a year and you can always assume that the minute you buy a car you lose 10%. So you could argue...10% trade margin and market has softened 10% in a year is about right,

I own a manual 997.2 GTS....if I’d bought that at the end of 2017 I reckon it would have been up for £72 to £75k from trade (I actually bought it in early 2016 for £60k) Today the trade bid for my car is £55k if I wanted to sell it, If I wait til April maybe that number begins with a 6 but this year I am not sure we’ll see those seasonal firmer prices.

[IMI A]

^^ As an aside if your GTS is a nice one I'm pretty sure 911 Virgin would return you what you paid for it. If they can't buy outright for £60k they'd SOR to get you as close to the figure you want come sale time if they possibly can. You've basically had free motoring for two years which isn't bad going.

In fact the chap above who bought two 996 turbos for £42k and £32k had instead put £74k in to a high spec GTS with ceramics and folding buckets in Dec 2017 he'd still be getting out with only a very small loss. I saw a Blue GTS with PCCB and -20mm PASM with LSD for sale at Maxted Page and think it sold around Nov/Dec 17 for £60-65k. I still think that cars worth the same money less the dealer spread. If it also had folding buckets I would have bought it

Back in Jan/Feb 17 laid on a 997.2 C4S cab coincidentally also from 911V for £48k.

Sold in Jan/Feb 18 (by 911V on SOR) with 10,000 miles on top for £49k

I didn't buy a special GT model or privately or on the cheap or even knocked the vendor down on asking price and still got out neutral. Only thing I managed to get 911 Virgin to include in asking price was 12 month warranty rather than 3 month.

[Adam B]

Carlson W6 said:

neutral 3 said:

Turbo S verses Turbo -

What are the differences ? 480 hp v 420 for the non S ?
But what else ?

Turbo S supplied with many options as standard.

Not really - not that many differences and none unique to the S as all could be specced on the non S bar the badges and wheel colour (which I guess could have been added it to a non S if anyone had thought of it)

X50 pack - 444bhp rather than 414bhp
PCCB
GT silver coloured alloys
Cruise IIRC

There can be some big premiums between the two which seem silly to me versus a turbo with X50 - it really comes down to PCCB, early versions of which could be very expensive to maintain. If you liked them the S made sense as the new cost premium was less than adding X50/PCCB to a standard turbo

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 2nd January 12:16

[Carlson W6]

^ Exactly.

[Cheib]

IMI A said:

^^ As an aside if your GTS is a nice one I'm pretty sure 911 Virgin would return you what you paid for it. If they can't buy outright for £60k they'd SOR to get you as close to the figure you want come sale time if they possibly can. You've basically had free motoring for two years which isn't bad going.

In fact the chap above who bought two 996 turbos for £42k and £32k had instead put £74k in to a high spec GTS with ceramics and folding buckets in Dec 2017 he'd still be getting out with only a very small loss. I saw a Blue GTS with PCCB and -20mm PASM with LSD for sale at Maxted Page and think it sold around Nov/Dec 17 for £60-65k. I still think that cars worth the same money less the dealer spread. If it also had folding buckets I would have bought it

Back in Jan/Feb 17 laid on a 997.2 C4S cab coincidentally also from 911V for £48k.

Sold in Jan/Feb 18 (by 911V on SOR) with 10,000 miles on top for £49k

I didn't buy a special GT model or privately or on the cheap or even knocked the vendor down on asking price and still got out neutral. Only thing I managed to get 911 Virgin to include in asking price was 12 month warranty rather than 3 month.

Yes I remember that Maxted Page car.....I bought the next good spec manual that came on the market.

I’m not really interested in selling mine at the moment, I went to look at a PTS Voodoo Blue 981 Spyder at JZM about a month before Xmas...the6 quoted me £60k SoR or £55k outright for my GTS. Wasn’t that keen on the Voodoo Spyder so didn’t take it any further.

[ZeroH]

IMI A said:

Unbelievable that the earliest 996 turbos are now 20 years old so of course things can and do occasionally go wrong.

Not quite - in 2020 you will be correct, but more so in 2021 when most early turbos started to be delivered from.

[Adam B]

ZeroH said:

Not quite - in 2020 you will be correct, but more so in 2021 when most early turbos started to be delivered from.

hello stranger, you still have you lovely black X50?

[ZeroH]

Adam B said:

hello stranger, you still have you lovely black X50?

Hey bud !! yep... still have it - had an awesome time at Spa and the Ring with her during the summer - still a mega machine - went well at Spa - 161mph on kemmel and sub 2m50 easily. After all these years she still ticks the boxes for me !

[neutral 3]

Was there a Sport seat option on these ? So far, all of the cars i have seen, have seats that look like they would be more at home in an 3.0SC !

[neutral 3]

Just how did someone order one in this gorgeous exterior colour and then....

[neutral 3]

And then ruin it with this hideousness !!
Yee gods, even the ruddy steering wheel is green, let alone the dash 🙈 It looks like something out of a 1950s Edsel 🙈

Edited by neutral 3 on Thursday 3rd January 00:02

[neutral 3]

And would anyone be brave enough to stump up £37,000 quid, for a 2002 S with this kind of mileage ??

Edited by neutral 3 on Wednesday 2nd January 23:07

Edited by neutral 3 on Wednesday 2nd January 23:59

[neutral 3]

Same high miles one.
Should the S badge be red ?

Edited by neutral 3 on Wednesday 2nd January 23:09

[Adam B]

No - full badge should be silver as red looks fking awful

[Adam B]

neutral 3 said:

Was there a Sport seat option on these ? So far, all of the cars i have seen, have seats that look like they would be more at home in an 3.0SC !

Yes

1 standard comfort seats with electric and memory
2 sports seats which lose electric and memory and can’t be heated
3 buckets hardly ever chosen

I found the sports seats really tight on sides and shoulders and I am not fat/wide - 997 seats so much better and they don’t lose electrics and ability to add heaters

[neutral 3]

I would happily lose heated / memory seats, in favour of something Far lighter and more grippy!
The std seats must be boat anchor heavy, just like an E46 M3s !

[Adam B]

neutral 3 said:

I would happily lose heated / memory seats, in favour of something Far lighter and more grippy!

Which is fine but have you tried the 996 sport seats, and are you built like Keira Knightley?

I exaggerate but they certainly keep you in place but you could find them tight especially as the passenger where you shoulders aren’t forward through holding the wheel

Edited by Adam B on Thursday 3rd January 00:16

[neutral 3]

Perhaps the narrowness of the sport seats is why few buyers ticked this option. Looks like Recarro Pole Positions ( or just a PP for the drivers seat ) for me!

[Theone8181]

Adam B said:

Yes

1 standard comfort seats with electric and memory
2 sports seats which lose electric and memory and can’t be heated
3 buckets hardly ever chosen

I found the sports seats really tight on sides and shoulders and I am not fat/wide - 997 seats so much better and they don’t lose electrics and ability to add heaters

I believe the sports seats could be had with or without memory, my turbo had sports seats with heating but not memory. The sports ones iirc have sort of a bolster around the shoulder area.

[neutral 3]

Have you a photo of the interior of your one ?