GT3 / 3RS / Touring
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Porsche911R said:
yep with all carry one of those about we us !!
I am sure PH is another world from normal. :-)
he should still get a manual though, I really don't get lapping automatic road cars.
May as well not buy a car and just have a few passenger laps, it will be the same involvement :-p and you save £150k
That will be the manual with the auto rev-matching and auto flat shifting then, post up one of your track days vids, want to see what this manual sI am sure PH is another world from normal. :-)
he should still get a manual though, I really don't get lapping automatic road cars.
May as well not buy a car and just have a few passenger laps, it will be the same involvement :-p and you save £150k
t is all about.Is this you at 4.24 in vid, lololol.
https://youtu.be/ROh6H-hUo90
Edited by Melvynr on Wednesday 17th June 20:33
Melvynr said:
That will be the manual with the auto rev-matching and auto flat shifting then, post up one of your track days vids, want to see what this manual st is all about.
Is this you at 4.24 in vid, lololol.
https://youtu.be/ROh6H-hUo90
why laugh that's the skill needed to pilot a manual over being a passenger in a st is all about.Is this you at 4.24 in vid, lololol.
https://youtu.be/ROh6H-hUo90
tty automatic.you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
Porsche911R said:
why laugh that's the skill needed to pilot a manual over being a passenger in a stty automatic.
you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
Well, yes, although there's plenty of room for other mistakes instead.tty automatic.you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
I do still have the 964RS and the 356 for chasing driver involvement. The brief here was laptimes, and I think (hope) the GT3RS will be faster than a manual GT3. Or at least a manual GT3 also driven by me...
Porsche911R said:
why laugh that's the skill needed to pilot a manual over being a passenger in a stty automatic.
you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
You need to be careful,posts like this confirm the wide held suspicion that you are actually 8 years old.tty automatic.you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
Porsche911R said:
Melvynr said:
That will be the manual with the auto rev-matching and auto flat shifting then, post up one of your track days vids, want to see what this manual st is all about.
Is this you at 4.24 in vid, lololol.
https://youtu.be/ROh6H-hUo90
why laugh that's the skill needed to pilot a manual over being a passenger in a st is all about.Is this you at 4.24 in vid, lololol.
https://youtu.be/ROh6H-hUo90
tty automatic.you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
991.2 manual is like a halfway pussy VW automatic.
Hi Dr S
I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
You have had some bad experiences. I get why you are being cautious - it's an easily wasted two days on a fantastic track. I'd be looking at what car you want to drive not only for your first outing but for the time you intend to keep it.
If you still ponder over going with the KW car, ping me. I can put you in touch with our race engineer who should be able to get it pretty right from the outset, given he does lots of customer track cars, worked (or still works) for KW and has a track record racing at Spa. He is based in Germany though, so you'd need someone in the UK who can implement his set-up recommendation
I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
Dr S said:
964Cup said:
Of course that would be sensible, and I don't really do sensible.
I like your style You have had some bad experiences. I get why you are being cautious - it's an easily wasted two days on a fantastic track. I'd be looking at what car you want to drive not only for your first outing but for the time you intend to keep it.
If you still ponder over going with the KW car, ping me. I can put you in touch with our race engineer who should be able to get it pretty right from the outset, given he does lots of customer track cars, worked (or still works) for KW and has a track record racing at Spa. He is based in Germany though, so you'd need someone in the UK who can implement his set-up recommendation
Yellow491 said:
Hi Dr S
I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
Ricky at RPM is setting mine up tomorrow; happy to share the settings once I have them. The idea is to get something I can feasibly drive to circuits as well as round them; I'm not looking for on-road performance, though, as long as the car doesn't actively try to kill me, so I suspect it will be lower, stiffer and more cambered than might be ideal for a road setup.I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
Porsche911R said:
why laugh that's the skill needed to pilot a manual over being a passenger in a stty automatic.
you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
Did you note how he shook his head, oh not a fooken gain.tty automatic.you cannot make that error in the automatic hence how f++king dull they are ;-)
Go buy a propper manual, where you've got to heel and toe to get the best out of it.
Post one of your track vids up, everyone has them who goes to a track, don't be bashful.
Edited by Melvynr on Thursday 18th June 17:27
964Cup said:
Yellow491 said:
Hi Dr S
I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
Ricky at RPM is setting mine up tomorrow; happy to share the settings once I have them. The idea is to get something I can feasibly drive to circuits as well as round them; I'm not looking for on-road performance, though, as long as the car doesn't actively try to kill me, so I suspect it will be lower, stiffer and more cambered than might be ideal for a road setup.I would be interested to see what he recommends on set up on these latest rs versions,i guess a ring set up would be reasonable on the road and track.I would be keeping the factory dampers and springs though,trying to get my head around a set up with the rear wheel steer as well.
Speaking to a regular ring test driver for honda,he was intimating the rear wheel steer does not interfere if you put quick steering inputs in.
Nice colour by the way.
Edited by Yellow491 on Thursday 18th June 21:20
Melvynr said:
Did you note how he shook his head, oh not a fooken gain.
Go buy a propper manual, where you've got to heel and toe to get the best out of it.
Post one of your track vids up, everyone has them who goes to a track, don't be bashful.
he shook his head as he knew he could do better and that's the joy of leaning a skill in a car you can make errors in.Go buy a propper manual, where you've got to heel and toe to get the best out of it.
Post one of your track vids up, everyone has them who goes to a track, don't be bashful.
the 991.2 Manual is a great learning tool for a noob as YES you can use the auto blip while learning and then turn it off.
A great system. In a PDK you just sit there like a lemon ,I don't get why you would not want to learn a skill or get involved in driving unless you were s
t at it. I am st on a bike and would want Gyro's ABS etc but I admit it, that's the difference here it seems.I have posted many track vids.
On track in makes little difference Manual or PDK , unless racing then PDK is a big help as in close contact sometimes need a change in gear , unplanned .
As for road driving again little difference just easier in traffic with PDK .
All this art of heel and toe is a bit of nonsense as after many years of manual race and road , it is just an action that is done without thinking .....but every few hundred shifts you may mis shift especially in a race ..
As for road driving again little difference just easier in traffic with PDK .
All this art of heel and toe is a bit of nonsense as after many years of manual race and road , it is just an action that is done without thinking .....but every few hundred shifts you may mis shift especially in a race ..
hunter 66 said:
On track in makes little difference Manual or PDK , unless racing then PDK is a big help as in close contact sometimes need a change in gear , unplanned .
As for road driving again little difference just easier in traffic with PDK .
All this art of heel and toe is a bit of nonsense as after many years of manual race and road , it is just an action that is done without thinking .....but every few hundred shifts you may mis shift especially in a race ..
reallyAs for road driving again little difference just easier in traffic with PDK .
All this art of heel and toe is a bit of nonsense as after many years of manual race and road , it is just an action that is done without thinking .....but every few hundred shifts you may mis shift especially in a race ..
the sun is shining in daytona,and the blues bank club;)I wonder how many engines r has lunched while racing or any other competitive motorsport,may be not many as he was busy stacking shelves
Reluctant to get involved with handbags at dawn, but...here's my twopenn'orth.
A proper manual is more involving on the road. There is great pleasure in a well-executed shift, and a stronger sense of connection. The critical points are:
A proper manual is more involving on the road. There is great pleasure in a well-executed shift, and a stronger sense of connection. The critical points are:
- One is rarely driving a road one knows as intimately as one does a track, so one is not seeking tenths.
- By the same token, the deliberation needed to choose a manual gear is part of decision making about cornering speed and strategy.
- If, on the road, one is driving fast enough that one risks missing a shift or upsetting the balance of the car, one is driving too fast.
- No corner is a surprise. Braking, gear changes are at predetermined points. One is absolutely seeking tenths.
- The ability to change gear without upsetting the balance of the car is of significant benefit - consider Woodcote at Silverstone, which is a mid-corner upshift in my 964RS while at the limit of grip. It is necessary to short-shift or one risks an unpleasant moment.
- Left-foot braking both provides an opportunity to save time and also a change in technique in balancing the car; this is not possible with a manual box.
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