Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[mrdemon]

Scooty100 said:

Can't see there being a choice. Gt3 was no option PDK why would they make this any different ?

As I said above GT4 regs are 6 gears.

So if there is no choice then there is no PDK at all.

[mrdemon]

GT4 is not a VIP car.

People do get a bit excited.

[mrdemon]

No one will ever agree on what car to drive for fun

Some take it all the way and buy a Caterham
Some a bit less have a Lotus
GT3
R

Some say for fun you have to have open top all the way
etc etc

Every one finds a level they are happy with to have a week end fun car, no right or wrong.
Same with PDK vs Manual

I would not be having fun in a 991 GT3 how ever great it is, even my dream 458S I doubt I would be having fun in after a while.
My GT3 was so frustrating I had to sell it.
And a lot of people don't have the cash to goto Spa every month.

I like a week end blat with mates and the R/Spyder both do that area perfect, I don't really need a GT4, just don't fancy missing out on one lol
And I always like to own the best car in that range/model.

I am a bit scared to even part with my R as it is perfect for me, but too tempted with a few more BHp and this GT4

[mrdemon]

dom9 said:

I felt like that for many years and always preferred the peaky/ revvy nature of small capacity engines but (I don't know whether it is age or spending more time driving in town) I do like a slug of torque these days. Yeah, it's not going to be a night and day difference with 200cc or 400cc extra capacity but it may be noticeable.

I know it's too early to say but I suspect this would be a keeper for me and (for once) I'll try and keep it 100% standard. I guess a 3.6 would be a good compromise with a little over 100bhp/litre and since Porsche don't use a 3.6 anywhere else at the moment, it would also be bespoke to the car, which would be a nice touch (until the Spyder comes and presumably shares the same engine).

I agree, the Cayman just needs a bit more torque imo, always nice to move the rear end under power and not lift off.

ATM if the R understeers, you have to lift off to tuck in, where with a dab more torque you can move the rear end instead with power :-)

always a nice feeling to have shove out the bends. revs fail in this dept and it revs to over 7k anyway.

[mrdemon]

APOLO1 is my Dad, did you not know !

[mrdemon]

Gear box, numbers, Dates and NA/turbo has been posted why are people going round in circles again in a frenzy with the same questions ?

OPC's don't have any spec , so don't hassle them, you guys will know before the OPC's

They know the numbers and the embargo dates and some one has posted both of those which are correct.
I even confirmed the numbers from the poster many pages back.

Numbers are a bit high imo but less than the number of Cayman R's which were sold in the UK.
If you want a rarer car get your name down on the Spyder ;-)

[mrdemon]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Because some people who claim to know certain things appear to be at odds with each other

All seems to be the same to me, the only duff info is OPC's guessing specs and people posting them.

[mrdemon]

That quote was about numbers and the date of release people were harping on about.

Numbers have been posted now.

[mrdemon]

It was a fast and fleeting visit that's for sure.

I switched my order to the GT4 RS last week. :-)

[mrdemon]

Scooty100 said:

Ive just been watching reviews of the Cayman GTS in both PDK and manual. Steve Sutcliffe seemed to really love the manual whilst Harris loved the PDK in the Cayman S and the manual in the Boxster S.

So if you had to spec a Cayman GTS what would you have Manual Or PDK?

Neither is great imo

PDK was dull, manual does 82mph in 2nd gear

I had the most fun in the manual in sports plus mode with auto blip on the VIP GTS day.

I was going to choose pdks if it were a option but after a day with the cars it has to be manual.
Clicking a micro switch holds no interest to me after a while,

[mrdemon]

ratcatcher2 said:

Good news for some of you I hope - it is definitely a PDK only car.

Why post rubbish.

[mrdemon]

Scooty100 said:

I need to know more about this DEmon. Manual with auto blip? I didn't know that existed.

Sports mode you can heal and toe, sports plus on manual gives you a perfect auto blip.
Thought it worked quite well, but to have a choice was good.

The issue for me is the ratios, if they are just standard 981 ratios then £85k gets you a 997.2 GT3 with poor ratios
And the ratios were the only thing stopping me buying a 997.2 Gt3

Hence why some people would take a PDK car which does 60mph in 2nd not 82mph.

But for me micro switch gear changing is so dull.

The R still is the perfect road road imo, the GT4 needs to be very good to win over R owners and GT3 owners.

[mrdemon]

from a renlist member posted over the weekend.

They called to say the car is confirmed and it will be called the Cayman GT4. Official launch is February 5th.

Specific details were sketchy but they alluded to some interesting points...

- will come as manual or PDK
- 380-400bhp
- naturally aspirated
- priced at 10% higher than GTS
- built in Weissach by Motorsport
- developed by Andreas Preuninger
- Clubsport spec an option

[mrdemon]

time for a render but it looks nice ;-)

cannot get 370BHp out the 3.4 very easy with a 200,000 mile warranty
So it has to be a bigger CC engine.

the question is 3.6 or 3.8

[mrdemon]

no one can crack the new 981 ecu and it's been out ages you are stuck with what Porsche give you now days, bar deleting 2 of the 4 cats for about 10bhp max.

[mrdemon]

itsybitsy said:

MrD was telling us not so long ago 360hp was achievable from our 987.2 !
So for porsche 370hp is easy!
The x51 treatment to the 3.4 will improve torque as well as hp!

that's removing CATS and CO2 levels running 99 ron, Porsche will have to do this with 4 CATS in place and low co2 levels big mpg and on 95 ron.

[mrdemon]

3.4 is not for me, I have 2 amazing 3.4 Porsche's so swapping the R and another 40k for another 3.4 is pointless esp one with electric steering :-)
but we know it's not a 3.4 any way ;-)

[mrdemon]

every one will know Feb 5th it seems.

No need to place deposits until then. OPC's who take money now are not running the business how Porsche GB want them to run it.

You cannot place a deposit on a car which does not exist, there is noting on the system to write it off too !

Porsche will not take your money so all you are doing is paying a OPC for what ? correct nothing...
The OPC cannot hold a car or place an order so your deposit is worthless with Porsche.

Some dodgy OPC's about imo. AT least my Local one is upfront and great to deal with.

They will ask for deposits on the release date, then of course 10% of the end price when you place your order.

[mrdemon]

anonymous said:

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just looks better on paper to me for future resale

like the GT3 RS 4.0

that did not have to be a 4.0l did it ? but that is the only thing which sets it apart from the 3.8 RS and it's 350k now, 200k more than the 3.8.

A GTS is 3.4 a GT4 does not look good being a 3.4 , but put 3.6 on the back and it's looks like a whole new bespoke car made for the job.

I have 2 3.4's like I said, I don't want another 3.4 how ever good they can make it sounds pants ;-)

There is no other model in the range now with a 3.6 that's quite bespoke and just sounds great in the pub.

[mrdemon]

sidicks said:

I think this emphasises the types of people the car will appeal to - not those that want the car for driving purity - just those that want the car for headline statistics, for bragging down the pub and who prioritise resale values over how the car drives.

It seems the Cayman appeals to a new type of owner these days.

Etc etc

why do you think I am keeping my Spyder far better for driving than any other Porsche :-p