Travelling on a ferry - need to disable alarm?
Discussion
We used the Dover Calais ferry last year and as we all went back down onto the car deck it was all the German manufactured cars that had their indicators flashing, ours included. So if you remember to do yours I bet the BMW next to you didn’t do his.
This year we crossed using the tunnel, not much more expensive but worth it if you’ve got animals, only took 35 minutes and you stay with your car.
This year we crossed using the tunnel, not much more expensive but worth it if you’ve got animals, only took 35 minutes and you stay with your car.
thegoose said:
kVA said:
PLEASE DO THIS everyone... Anyone travelling with pets on a ferry has to leave them in the vehicle and I returned to my dogs to see the one who is fearful of load noises in a dreadful state... On the way back, I stayed in the vehicle (I know you're not supposed to, but I hid until they shut the doors to the car deck - one of my dogs has saved my life in the past and I would rather drown with him than survive without him)
We've only had our dog 17 months (5 year old dalmatian) so couldn't take him away last summer as he didn't have his passport, but leaving him alone in the car on the ferry is a concern, but more so when I think of the contained-in-a-big-metal-vessel sound of alarms going off.
Nurburgsingh said:
Your neighbours won't hear it from the passenger deck so don't worry about it!?
oola said:
I'd check the owners manual as most cars don't set the alarm by locking the door.
If you lock the car as normal with the remote and you don't have a very large battery, it will be flat on an overnight journey. I learnt this the hard way ... travelling over to the Ring - Hull to Rotterdam I locked my CSL, as did a mate and we both came to flat batteries in the morning ... quite embarrassing watching everyone else drive off as they leave you till last.
^^ This. If you lock the car as normal with the remote and you don't have a very large battery, it will be flat on an overnight journey. I learnt this the hard way ... travelling over to the Ring - Hull to Rotterdam I locked my CSL, as did a mate and we both came to flat batteries in the morning ... quite embarrassing watching everyone else drive off as they leave you till last.
This also happened to a friend of mine in our 'Nurburgring convoy'. Alarm must have been going all night.
As has been said, I don't think it's necesarry to lock if the car is empty of 'stuff'.
I’ve studied my 911 (996.2) handbook and it doesn’t matter how you lock it, the alarm is still live when you lock the car up, however I accept if stuff is moving around inside it may be worth disabling the internal motion sensors. (by just locking twice quickly with the key) and you shouldn’t leave animals in any vehicle for very long periods in any circumstances as I recon they would find it very stressfull, especially on a ferry!
So, do the alarms have theft motion sensors on them too? (so operating the alarm by roll in bad sea weather) I didn’t think mine did, unless it was an optional extra?
Think if I ever take mine on a ferry it will simply be left unlocked, that or I take my ctek with me just in case!
Of course anyone can access your boot if the car is left unlocked which means emptying it of luggage if youre paranoid.
So, do the alarms have theft motion sensors on them too? (so operating the alarm by roll in bad sea weather) I didn’t think mine did, unless it was an optional extra?
Think if I ever take mine on a ferry it will simply be left unlocked, that or I take my ctek with me just in case!
Of course anyone can access your boot if the car is left unlocked which means emptying it of luggage if youre paranoid.
Edited by gusmagoo on Thursday 21st July 13:12
Most cars have two levels of alarm protection:
Perimeter alarm - will only trigger if a protected aperture is opened (usually includes bonnet and boot)
Thatcham Cat 1 alarm - triggers if there is movement inside the car (so it will go off if you just break a window and snatch something without opening the door.) For Thatcham Cat 1 (insurance requirement usually), you also have double-locking (so you can't open the door from the inside once you've broken the window), and passive arming (if you unlock the car accidentally, but don't open a door, it will relock and reset the alarm after 30 seconds or so). Most cars also have a tilt sensor built into this second stage of security (to trigger the alarm if someone hoists the front up and tows it away) - It is the latter that is triggered on ferries and it doesn't even need a particularly rough crossing to do it (lifting the front end is not a violent movement, so it is more sensitive to changes in inclination when locked, rather than the violence of the movement.) A gentle rolling motion will set them all off and it is the main reason all the staff who work on the car decks have to wear ear-defenders.
Apart from ferries, you should disable Interior protection if you are ever leaving children or animals in a locked car - not just to save your battery and their ears, but you cannot open the doors, even from inside, in an emergency if it is double-locked
Perimeter alarm - will only trigger if a protected aperture is opened (usually includes bonnet and boot)
Thatcham Cat 1 alarm - triggers if there is movement inside the car (so it will go off if you just break a window and snatch something without opening the door.) For Thatcham Cat 1 (insurance requirement usually), you also have double-locking (so you can't open the door from the inside once you've broken the window), and passive arming (if you unlock the car accidentally, but don't open a door, it will relock and reset the alarm after 30 seconds or so). Most cars also have a tilt sensor built into this second stage of security (to trigger the alarm if someone hoists the front up and tows it away) - It is the latter that is triggered on ferries and it doesn't even need a particularly rough crossing to do it (lifting the front end is not a violent movement, so it is more sensitive to changes in inclination when locked, rather than the violence of the movement.) A gentle rolling motion will set them all off and it is the main reason all the staff who work on the car decks have to wear ear-defenders.
Apart from ferries, you should disable Interior protection if you are ever leaving children or animals in a locked car - not just to save your battery and their ears, but you cannot open the doors, even from inside, in an emergency if it is double-locked
I guess the pertient questions now are:
Which Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
... and ...
How do you disable it?
My wife's Merc has a button the dash specifically to do that, but now you lot have got me thinking about it, I have no idea if my 997.2 has a tilt sensor OR how to disable it!
Which Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
... and ...
How do you disable it?
My wife's Merc has a button the dash specifically to do that, but now you lot have got me thinking about it, I have no idea if my 997.2 has a tilt sensor OR how to disable it!
Edited by Scelto on Thursday 21st July 14:06
monthefish said:
Scelto said:
I guess the pertient questions now are:
Which Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
The 996 turbo does (which I discovered after jacking my car up with the alarm armed)Which Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
kVA said:
Basically, if you have a Porsche key with the alarm/lock button in the key fob, it almost certainly has a tilt sensor and all you need to do is press it twice within 3 seconds and it will safely perimeter lock your car only (horn may beep once to indicate it has disabled the motion sensors and you may hear the locks un-double-locking!)
At the risk of demonstrating my denseness, but to be absolutely clear...Disabling the interior motion sensors by double-clicking the remote on locking also disables the tilt sensor?
kVA said:
Basically, if you have a Porsche key with the alarm/lock button in the key fob, it almost certainly has a tilt sensor and all you need to do is press it twice within 3 seconds and it will safely perimeter lock your car only (horn may beep once to indicate it has disabled the motion sensors and you may hear the locks un-double-locking!)
Ahhhhh, that explains why it occasionsally beeps at me (I must be inadvertently double clicking....)Scelto said:
At the risk of demonstrating my denseness, but to be absolutely clear...
Disabling the interior motion sensors by double-clicking the remote on locking also disables the tilt sensor?
Disabling the interior motion sensors by double-clicking the remote on locking also disables the tilt sensor?
Not dense - I'd like to hear the answer to this too...
monthefish said:
kVA said:
Basically, if you have a Porsche key with the alarm/lock button in the key fob, it almost certainly has a tilt sensor and all you need to do is press it twice within 3 seconds and it will safely perimeter lock your car only (horn may beep once to indicate it has disabled the motion sensors and you may hear the locks un-double-locking!)
Ahhhhh, that explains why it occasionsally beeps at me (I must be inadvertently double clicking....)Scelto said:
At the risk of demonstrating my denseness, but to be absolutely clear...
Disabling the interior motion sensors by double-clicking the remote on locking also disables the tilt sensor?
Yes. Disabling the interior motion sensors by double-clicking the remote on locking also disables the tilt sensor?
And peace and quiet prevails on the car ferry (well apart from the engine noise, general creaking and groaning of ship parts and staff members, etc...
Scelto said:
I guess the pertient questions now are:
Which Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
... and ...
How do you disable it?
My wife's Merc has a button the dash specifically to do that, but now you lot have got me thinking about it, I have no idea if my 997.2 has a tilt sensor OR how to disable it!
OK here’s a neat trick. Go hereWhich Porsches have the tilt sensor fitted as standard?
... and ...
How do you disable it?
My wife's Merc has a button the dash specifically to do that, but now you lot have got me thinking about it, I have no idea if my 997.2 has a tilt sensor OR how to disable it!
Edited by Scelto on Thursday 21st July 14:06
http://www.autoatlanta.com/life/vin/vin.php
stick your VIN number in the search box, for example,
WP0ZZZ99Z3S602924
And scroll down all of your cars options, look for
M534 Theft security system
M536 Alarm siren and tilt sensor
There’s your answer! M536 is what your looking for, and they dont all have it!
(mine has!)
As far as I know there is no way of disabling it, apart from leaving the car unlocked. My book DOESN'T say the tilt sensor is disabled using the 2 turn key method... Unless any one else can confirm?
I'm just laughing at the thought of you all nipping outside to jot the vin number down from the windscreen!
Edited by gusmagoo on Thursday 21st July 16:58
Edited by gusmagoo on Thursday 21st July 17:00
gusmagoo said:
OK here’s a neat trick. Go here
http://www.autoatlanta.com/life/vin/vin.php
stick your VIN number in the search box, for example,
WP0ZZZ99Z3S602924
And scroll down all of your cars options, look for
M534 Theft security system
M536 Alarm siren and tilt sensor
There’s your answer!
As has been said I think they will all have them,
and as far as I know there is no way of disabling it, apart from leaving the car unlocked. My book DOESN'T say the tilt sensor is disabled using the 2 turn key method... Unless any one else can confirm?
As far as I am aware, every car with a tilt sensor has it linked with interior protection, so following the handbook's instructions for leaving pets in the car will also disable the tilt sensor alarm - it certainly does on all Porsche factory fit systems.http://www.autoatlanta.com/life/vin/vin.php
stick your VIN number in the search box, for example,
WP0ZZZ99Z3S602924
And scroll down all of your cars options, look for
M534 Theft security system
M536 Alarm siren and tilt sensor
There’s your answer!
As has been said I think they will all have them,
and as far as I know there is no way of disabling it, apart from leaving the car unlocked. My book DOESN'T say the tilt sensor is disabled using the 2 turn key method... Unless any one else can confirm?
DO NOT leave your car unlocked on a ferry deck - especially if you have any valuables in there... It is really really easy for an undesirable to hide on the car deck, then you have an hour and a half minimum to help yourself... Nobody checks to see if everyone has gone upstairs - they just assume you have - and you most likely won't realise something's missing until you get to the hotel and open the boot!
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