Porsche Cayman Drivers !
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In Dubai it seems to be the other way round in the S2000.
Very few 'slower' cars ever try it on and there's very much an American 'drag' mentality here - I often get asked to race from the lights by some dude in a breathed on Camaro or some other hunk of junk that couldn't go round a corner if it tried (I decline). Boxsters never want to play, neither do SLKs, Z350s, Z4 or the like (they never seem to have the top down either?!).
I've had a few blatts with Merc SLs which have been fun especially when you get to roundabouts where they virtually come to a stop before tiptoeing round them. Funniest was a Lexus SC430 that screamed up behind me and sat 2" from my bumber on a wide carriageway (he could have easily overtook as I was crusing at about 80mph-ish) and we came to a big fast 3rd gear roundabout and I went round it at my normal speed and he span on braking and ended up in a sand dune - I went back to make sure he was alright, which he was but was really agressive towards me as if it was my fault. Numpty. I left him to it.
I'm not a fan of trying it on, on the roads here. The driving is bad enough as it is and you have people weaving and cutting up others just to get in front of you - that's why I autox and track day. Lets me get it out of my system.
I think it's partly to do with the fact that there are very few S2000s on the roads - I think only 40-50 have been sold in the whole of the UAE during the vehicles production so far.
Very few 'slower' cars ever try it on and there's very much an American 'drag' mentality here - I often get asked to race from the lights by some dude in a breathed on Camaro or some other hunk of junk that couldn't go round a corner if it tried (I decline). Boxsters never want to play, neither do SLKs, Z350s, Z4 or the like (they never seem to have the top down either?!).
I've had a few blatts with Merc SLs which have been fun especially when you get to roundabouts where they virtually come to a stop before tiptoeing round them. Funniest was a Lexus SC430 that screamed up behind me and sat 2" from my bumber on a wide carriageway (he could have easily overtook as I was crusing at about 80mph-ish) and we came to a big fast 3rd gear roundabout and I went round it at my normal speed and he span on braking and ended up in a sand dune - I went back to make sure he was alright, which he was but was really agressive towards me as if it was my fault. Numpty. I left him to it.
I'm not a fan of trying it on, on the roads here. The driving is bad enough as it is and you have people weaving and cutting up others just to get in front of you - that's why I autox and track day. Lets me get it out of my system.
I think it's partly to do with the fact that there are very few S2000s on the roads - I think only 40-50 have been sold in the whole of the UAE during the vehicles production so far.
mmmmm.....i'm really not into this 'who can go fastest' thing. For me it's a balance of performance,handling & style and the Cayman fits the bill perfectly.
To that end i wouldn't even consider a 996TT or any other 996 derivative because they have been superceded by newer variants which IMO should satisfy my three criteria better ( and surely this was Porsche's intention?). I really don't like to feel i've got the 'old' model.
Now, that IS snobbery!
To that end i wouldn't even consider a 996TT or any other 996 derivative because they have been superceded by newer variants which IMO should satisfy my three criteria better ( and surely this was Porsche's intention?). I really don't like to feel i've got the 'old' model.
Now, that IS snobbery!
No disrespect to dsgv6 but you talk about the Cayman as if it is Porsches'finest piece of engineering to date...the simple fact is it aint got enough power which is why the chassis and brakes feel very capable,a 20k Golf Gti will have the same abilities(plus rear seats)!imho of course!
. (Betcha a well-driven Boxster S or Cayman would damn near give your 'big fidget' a walloping on a twisty,bumpy country road.
)Yes I think the difference between 'Having a Go' and being 'Playful' is in the acknowledgment before or afterward to the other P driver, ie a smile, a wave, a nod is showing playfulness.
The non entusiast 'Have a Go' type is trying to show something to the world, giant chip on the shoulder type.
I agree that this pecking order thing is very snobish, it is all a big family at the end of the day.....
kayc said:
No disrespect to dsgv6 but you talk about the Cayman as if it is Porsches'finest piece of engineering to date...the simple fact is it aint got enough power which is why the chassis and brakes feel very capable,a 20k Golf Gti will have the same abilities(plus rear seats)!imho of course!
lol..you don't half talk some shite. Lets all sell our Caymans, Boxsters and 911's and get a Golf instead
>> Edited by bumcrack on Wednesday 19th April 16:42
bumcrack said:It's good to talk (shite!)
No disrespect to dsgv6 but you talk about the Cayman as if it is Porsches'finest piece of engineering to date...the simple fact is it aint got enough power which is why the chassis and brakes feel very capable,a 20k Golf Gti will have the same abilities(plus rear seats)!imho of course!
lol..you don't half talk some shite. Lets all sell our Caymans, Boxsters and 911's and get a Golf instead
>> Edited by bumcrack on Wednesday 19th April 16:42
I think KayC was only refering to the Cayman - the 911 is fast enough and the roof comes off a Boxster......All IMHO of course......
I think the powers that be should come up with a 'Tongue in Cheek' smiley.....I think there's been plenty of it going on unrecognised...........
Kayc, I'd bet the Cayman is faster in the real world A-B than 996 or the 993tt with a normal driver behind the wheel. The power so useable and to say the Clio does the same job is a large insult to anyone who bought a Cayman or Boxster. The only time the two cars mentioned above will be quicker is on a track or straight roads/motorways imo, have you seen the Cayman's lap time for the ring?
I liked the 996 and understood the principals and practiced the art of making it go fast as often as possible, but the Cayman seems quicker to me than my 996 did in the real world. Numbers don’t tell you a cars real world performance level, I had a Tamora and on paper it should be faster than my 996 on the road, but I was much quicker A-B in the Porsche because I could use more of the power more of the time and had a better connection with the car. The main advantage the Cayman has over the 996 and 993tt is handling, balance, turn-in, high speed stability and quicker cornering speeds. The Cayman engine is about the same power as the 3.4 in the earlier 996 with a bit more Torque lower down the revs range. Combine the handling and engine and you’ve got a very quick car A-B. The lack of BHP is more than made up for by the handling in the real world.
The only other car I’m interested in is the GT3, but those are 6 years old and I don’t want a car of that age for that sort of money. I’ve spec’d a Cayman up to 47K with sensible options, so its 6K off the price of GT3 Mk2, which is a fair chunk in my book.
911 turbo are for somebody who can’t drive and wants to go as fast as possible with no effort, it’s not an involving experience and you’re a passenger as oppose to the driver, it’s a very fast car, but dull. If you want to go fast in straight line it’s the car to have, I’m more into the driving experience, might as well get a Jap 4x4 saloon and tune it up if that floats your boat.
993TT are crap (any biters for this one
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GT2 are cost alot more than the Cayman does, but I do like the thought of it
>> Edited by bumcrack on Wednesday 19th April 18:11
I liked the 996 and understood the principals and practiced the art of making it go fast as often as possible, but the Cayman seems quicker to me than my 996 did in the real world. Numbers don’t tell you a cars real world performance level, I had a Tamora and on paper it should be faster than my 996 on the road, but I was much quicker A-B in the Porsche because I could use more of the power more of the time and had a better connection with the car. The main advantage the Cayman has over the 996 and 993tt is handling, balance, turn-in, high speed stability and quicker cornering speeds. The Cayman engine is about the same power as the 3.4 in the earlier 996 with a bit more Torque lower down the revs range. Combine the handling and engine and you’ve got a very quick car A-B. The lack of BHP is more than made up for by the handling in the real world.
The only other car I’m interested in is the GT3, but those are 6 years old and I don’t want a car of that age for that sort of money. I’ve spec’d a Cayman up to 47K with sensible options, so its 6K off the price of GT3 Mk2, which is a fair chunk in my book.
911 turbo are for somebody who can’t drive and wants to go as fast as possible with no effort, it’s not an involving experience and you’re a passenger as oppose to the driver, it’s a very fast car, but dull. If you want to go fast in straight line it’s the car to have, I’m more into the driving experience, might as well get a Jap 4x4 saloon and tune it up if that floats your boat.
993TT are crap (any biters for this one
) GT2 are cost alot more than the Cayman does, but I do like the thought of it
>> Edited by bumcrack on Wednesday 19th April 18:11
dsgv6 i can tell from your vast experience of porsches(not)that you shouldnt really be commenting.i have had 993 c2s,996 c4s,gt3 mk2, and regularly used a gt2....i now have a really boring 996tt which is the best allrounder sports car you can buy...imho of course!Good luck with the cayman but i suggest 3 months till you get bored with it and lose 10k as the dealer doesnt want it back.the more people buy sub 'porsche' quality cars from a so-called unique manafacturer the more run of the mill product they will produce..There will be a porsche estate car soon and everyone will say how good it is coz its got a porsche badge...
kayc, i am sure the 996TT is a great car, it must be judging by the opinions on this very forum. However, all i am pointing out is that it's not for everyone. Many people out there look at the 996 models (irrespective of variant) and think of it as the 'older' model. Now, that doesn't make it less of a car, far from it, it's just that some people like the latest model shape/look. I had a stock 996 and it was fine but that was a few years ago and now i'd like something newer, hence the Cayman. Sure, it's not the fastest but it is capable and good enough to keep me happy as an all rounder.
The 996 Turbo, 993 Turbo DULL??? LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
This could only be said by someone out of his mind or blurred by envy and has obviously never drove one.
Well, I guess when Clarkson (which hates 911's) elected the 996 Turbo as the 2nd best car of all time was just plain wrong.
Sure the GT3 is a more dedicated sports car but as an all rounder nothing and I MEAN NOTHING beats the 996 Turbo specially with a couple of mods to reduce its inherent understeer...
Without wanting to sound arrogant I'd like to mention that my opinion is not based on a long history of Porsche ownership (I just own a 996 Turbo and its my first) but based on the experience of being a driving instructor for some clubs including a non-oficial Porsche club where I had the oportunity to drive many Porsche before I took the plunge.
My car is getting the RS Tuning ECU on Friday... IF 508bhp, 740NM (Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED and ...), 331km/h (approx. 205mph), 3.96s from 0 to 100km/h (all of this tested by German Sport Auto) and tuned handling is DULL then I'd like a passenger ride on one of those Caymans as they're obviously diferent from the one I drove then... which although nimble and healthy handling (just like the new 997 C2S) as a driving experience cannot be put in the same sentence as a 996 Turbo or a 993 Turbo!
>> Edited by kiko on Wednesday 19th April 22:32
This could only be said by someone out of his mind or blurred by envy and has obviously never drove one.
Well, I guess when Clarkson (which hates 911's) elected the 996 Turbo as the 2nd best car of all time was just plain wrong.
Sure the GT3 is a more dedicated sports car but as an all rounder nothing and I MEAN NOTHING beats the 996 Turbo specially with a couple of mods to reduce its inherent understeer...
Without wanting to sound arrogant I'd like to mention that my opinion is not based on a long history of Porsche ownership (I just own a 996 Turbo and its my first) but based on the experience of being a driving instructor for some clubs including a non-oficial Porsche club where I had the oportunity to drive many Porsche before I took the plunge.
My car is getting the RS Tuning ECU on Friday... IF 508bhp, 740NM (Yes, SEVEN HUNDRED and ...), 331km/h (approx. 205mph), 3.96s from 0 to 100km/h (all of this tested by German Sport Auto) and tuned handling is DULL then I'd like a passenger ride on one of those Caymans as they're obviously diferent from the one I drove then... which although nimble and healthy handling (just like the new 997 C2S) as a driving experience cannot be put in the same sentence as a 996 Turbo or a 993 Turbo!
>> Edited by kiko on Wednesday 19th April 22:32
sleep envy said:
: popcorn:
makes me laugh, someone posts an inflamatory post, some of the usual suspects stoke the flames, everyone else come over the top, good old bun fight ensues for 8 pages
Shhhhhhhhsshhh - quiet at the back. This is better then the Apprentice......
996tt dull & crap! hhahahahahahahahhah muhhhaallllahaha
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