Rollcall - Delivery Dates For New 997 GT3

[pugsey]

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

[kayc]

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

Make it work?Horses,casinos?Im still not sure what you mean?

[pugsey]

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

Make it work?Horses,casinos?Im still not sure what you mean?

You're pulling my chain again aren't you kayc you little tinker - you can't be that stoopid. Either that or you're beyond help. Either way subject closed.

[kayc]

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

Make it work?Horses,casinos?Im still not sure what you mean?

You're pulling my chain again aren't you kayc you little tinker - you can't be that stoopid. Either that or you're beyond help. Either way subject closed.

A very poor comeback if i may be so rude to say so,unless you are borrowing in yen at 1% and swapping into sterling borrowing money is still expensive...i have some cash to go so im all ears for the big returns on offer..

[pugsey]

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

Make it work?Horses,casinos?Im still not sure what you mean?

You're pulling my chain again aren't you kayc you little tinker - you can't be that stoopid. Either that or you're beyond help. Either way subject closed.

A very poor comeback if i may be so rude to say so,unless you are borrowing in yen at 1% and swapping into sterling borrowing money is still expensive...i have some cash to go so im all ears for the big returns on offer..

No probs - I know you can be MUCH ruder than that!

[Porkernut]

Much as KC is a "tinker" I have to partially agree with him, in that by the time you have paid 40% tax on any income it is hard to earn more than you pay in interest!
Property is shakey as is the stock market, savings rates are crap. Of course as most new Porsche buyers are 40 somethings with their own small companies, investing in their own business is always a goodie I suppose if expansion is available or if you have an overdraft that needs reducing!

[jjr1]

I borrow my money for my cars and use the rest for gambling. Returns are in the order of 25% per month. So why the hell would someone like me buy a car for cash when I can use it for much more creative purposes.

PS I don't pay tax as a pro gambler so thats 25% net.

[rob05]

Always the joker i see,sounds like a nice life,i tried it once and thats why i'm now in an M3!

Edited by rob05 on Wednesday 19th July 20:24

[jjr1]

rob05 said:

Always the joker i see,sounds like a nice life,i tried it once and thats why i'm now in an M3!

Edited by rob05 on Wednesday 19th July 20:24

You clearly don't know how to gamble properly

My way is easy but time consuming and unfortunately can not be shared or it would end my money making tree.

Benefits include as much sport as I care to watch (currently betting on Worcestershire/Gloucestershire pro 40 game and Hearts v Osasuna o/u 2.5 goals) and no sodding tax.

Disadvantages include, no holidays (well 7 day weeks but I might take the odd month off here and there), no free time and no paid leave or sickness benefits.

[rob05]

Its just not my scene regardless of the benefits it might bring,but hey if it works for you and its gives you the things you need then why not.

[jjr1]

It works for me when i have to watch F1 or MotoGP and it doesn't work for me when I have to watch boring cricket. God I hate cricket !!!!!!!!! Bring back the footy I say.

[ponkyporky]

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

pugsey said:

kayc said:

997gt3 said:

I requested an April 2007 delivery time as its my birthday that month....and i need until then to have a jolly good save so i dont have to borrow a fortune!
I'll be having "colour sample to metallic" option so may need to spec up at least 4 months earlier.
Phil

Borrow?Why is anyone borrowing money to buy a £75k car?Its not an investment but a loss...These cars will dump in price as per all 996+variants so dont buy one unless you can afford it..imo of course..

Can't agree with that. Lucky enough to be able to buy my car cash but why would I? I can borrow money so cheaply - as can anyone else - that I prefer to hang on to my capital and set it to work for me. If I can't make it work much, much better then the interest saving I'd get by buying cash then I'd be v. ashamed of myself indeed!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 15:31

Where does one get such cheap money or alternatively such great returns?Apart from uk property,gold, or oil most other assets classes return very little

Well, you appear to have answered the second part of your question yourself - although there are quite literally thousands of other ways of making money for yourself, one of which you must have found already if you buy your own cars cash. My GT3 will cost £86k. Make that amount work over twelve months and I repeat if it doesn't earn you a lot more than borrowing the same amount money costs you there's something seriously wrong! Note I said "make it work" not 'invest'. There's a clue there. If you want to be lazy and just buy an asset and expect it to perform and, maybe be suprised when it doesn't, that's up to you. Nothing wrong with that. Each to his own.
Have to say I find both parts of your question suprising coming from someone who - I think - is suggesting they can afford to buy their cars with cash!

Edited by pugsey on Wednesday 19th July 16:31

Make it work?Horses,casinos?Im still not sure what you mean?

You're pulling my chain again aren't you kayc you little tinker - you can't be that stoopid. Either that or you're beyond help. Either way subject closed.

A very poor comeback if i may be so rude to say so,unless you are borrowing in yen at 1% and swapping into sterling borrowing money is still expensive...i have some cash to go so im all ears for the big returns on offer..

Funny you say that bought Yen. I borrow in Yen for everything, especially now the 'official line' is the carry trade is over and Jap rates are heading up, just quietly paid off another 7.5% off of a number of various mortgages as the currency just dropped from 200 Yen to GBP to 215 to GBP.

Any other good ideas, you flushin 'em all out at the mo'. Surely not Casino's i get so bored counting cards, as for horses, I couldn't get the dam horse out of the hotel room so I just legged it in the end.

[jjr1]

Casinos can't be beaten unless you are prepared to travel on Cruise ships all year round.

Horses are for inside trading only. Easy money but only if you have the contacts.

I would have suggested Footy but the 'Series a' debacle at the moment suggests thats a touch dodgy to

[jjr1]

How do you borrow yen?

[ChrisW.]

From a Japanese bank.

But it's a punt on the future exchange rate offsetting the diference in interest rates beween £ and Yen (assuming that the asset purchased is in £.

KayC, you're such a sweet heart !
Many businesses generate a nett ROCE (return on capital employed) well in excess of the nett cost of borrowing against a secure asset --- so if you have the nouse, why not use it ?
If you haven't, well, it's not an option.

Horses for courses --- which is why we don't all drive Turbo's.
V. Sorry.

[Porkernut]

jjr1 said:

Casinos can't be beaten unless you are prepared to travel on Cruise ships all year round.

Horses are for inside trading only. Easy money but only if you have the contacts.

I would have suggested Footy but the 'Series a' debacle at the moment suggests thats a touch dodgy to

Sorry jjr1, you may be winning currently, but gambling is a mugs game, unless you cheat of course then the odds are stacked in your favour instead of the house!Or unless you own a gambling site!!! I have seen several "winners" loose everything, one guys gambled his house away & the MRs didn't even know until the bailiffs came knocking!

Anyway can't we start a new thread about financing cars & keep the GT3 roll call thread "pure"

Edited by Porkernut on Wednesday 19th July 23:35

[343bhp]

Porkernut said:

Anyway can't we start a new thread about financing cars & keep the GT3 roll call thread "pure"

Edited by Porkernut on Wednesday 19th July 23:35

I wholeheartedly agree - this is great dialogue about personal financing/investment but still want to check when are people expecting their 997 GT3 and if there is possibility we could get together as a group for an "inauguration do" ? Thanks again for this.

ps heard that Porsche AG are back on course producing LHD cars and some are arriving now a month earlier than their delayed date - in fact some in early August 06 !

[jjr1]

Porkernut said:

jjr1 said:

Casinos can't be beaten unless you are prepared to travel on Cruise ships all year round.

Horses are for inside trading only. Easy money but only if you have the contacts.

I would have suggested Footy but the 'Series a' debacle at the moment suggests thats a touch dodgy to

Sorry jjr1, you may be winning currently, but gambling is a mugs game, unless you cheat of course then the odds are stacked in your favour instead of the house!Or unless you own a gambling site!!! I have seen several "winners" loose everything, one guys gambled his house away & the MRs didn't even know until the bailiffs came knocking!

Anyway can't we start a new thread about financing cars & keep the GT3 roll call thread "pure"

Edited by Porkernut on Wednesday 19th July 23:35

A mugs game?

If only you knew the first thing about gambling you would realise that you are talking out your arse. Since I turnover around £20,000 a day betting and I have only lost money on average 1 day a month for the past 4 years (biggest loss on a day never been more than £1000) I reckon the odds are in my favour.

In fact two other guys who are my mates do exactly the same type of bets as me and strangely they also win every day (bar the odd tt moment when we hit the wrong bet/key) and none of us have had a proper job for years.

Now your supposed 'winner' mates are what I would term mug punters. They are easily identified as they can walk into any Ladbrokes/Will Hill and bet as much as they like. Unfortunately I wish I could as I am banned by all the big three and have to pay people to put my bets on for me in shops. The rest I have to pay to open online accounts, as I have had at least 25 online accounts closed.

Oh and finally because I know this thread is supposed to be about Gt3 delivery dates mine is coming in March next year.

[kayc]

ChrisW. said:

From a Japanese bank.

But it's a punt on the future exchange rate offsetting the diference in interest rates beween £ and Yen (assuming that the asset purchased is in £.

KayC, you're such a sweet heart !
Many businesses generate a nett ROCE (return on capital employed) well in excess of the nett cost of borrowing against a secure asset --- so if you have the nouse, why not use it ?
If you haven't, well, it's not an option.

Horses for courses --- which is why we don't all drive Turbo's.
V. Sorry.

Im not talking of businesses borrowing money to buy cars,they also have the advantage of offsetting depreciation of the cars against income.The average PAYE punter with 'no-nouse'like myself doesnt have that tax break either,therefore unless i am borrowing money cheaper than i can invest its a bad trade.

[pugsey]

343bhp said:

Porkernut said:

Anyway can't we start a new thread about financing cars & keep the GT3 roll call thread "pure"

Edited by Porkernut on Wednesday 19th July 23:35

I wholeheartedly agree - this is great dialogue about personal financing/investment but still want to check when are people expecting their 997 GT3 and if there is possibility we could get together as a group for an "inauguration do" ? Thanks again for this.

ps heard that Porsche AG are back on course producing LHD cars and some are arriving now a month earlier than their delayed date - in fact some in early August 06 !

Yes - whisper it - there do seem to be some positive noises at last. Spoke to a German dealer yesterday who basically confirmed the same as you've been told. It's starting to look like UK dealers may also have something 'positive' to tell us quite soon - fingers crossed!