996 Mileage Shocker
Discussion
DucatiGary said:
IIRC the second major service (48k) is £360 at an OPC.
YDRC !
but if you car is a 2001 would you not have had the big one (48k) in yr 4 ie last year or did you do a inspection-only one year? As others have said the dealer is just maximising his spread, sell privately and save it
Neilpeel59 said:
M@verickthe said:
911 has always been the best compromise of "sports car vs. every day drive" and many people run them as their sole car/weekday vehicle.
I run mine as occasional weekender and trackday (Nurburgring) car and have still covered 8k since February!
I have had my GT3 since the end of July, and I have added 6,000 to it in that time!! Cars are for driving and if that costs me some money fook it, the smile and satisfaction it gives me money can't buy!
does sound a little harsh and you should try selling it private.
I managed to get 28k for my 99 996 with the GT3 kit and loads of options to the right private buyer.
prob is with the market there are 5hite loads of 996s out there and the market does not seem to care much for options....just get into a cheap porsche it seems.
there were only 422 rhd CSLs made....some are no longer around and some people just don't want to get rid of them! there must be 10 to 20 times more 996s out there.
CSL residuals have really flatened out and I got offered 1.5k over what I paid for mine to sell it at a track day. prob is I like the car too much now and they really are SO SO much better than any std 996 out there bar the GT3.
I managed to get 28k for my 99 996 with the GT3 kit and loads of options to the right private buyer.
prob is with the market there are 5hite loads of 996s out there and the market does not seem to care much for options....just get into a cheap porsche it seems.
there were only 422 rhd CSLs made....some are no longer around and some people just don't want to get rid of them! there must be 10 to 20 times more 996s out there.
CSL residuals have really flatened out and I got offered 1.5k over what I paid for mine to sell it at a track day. prob is I like the car too much now and they really are SO SO much better than any std 996 out there bar the GT3.
DasChin said:
CSL residuals have really flatened out and I got offered 1.5k over what I paid for mine to sell it at a track day. prob is I like the car too much now and they really are SO SO much better than any std 996 out there bar the GT3.
I only see the price of CSL's going one way in the future, and here is a clue, its not down. The CSL's true colours have been blooming over the last 12 months in most of the good forums, and a wider audience is starting to open their eyes to a car that is so much more than an M3, and an M3 is one of the greatest cars ever made in my eyes, which makes the CSL VERY special to those of us in the know.
Still prefer my GT3, but at 30K the CSL is just fantastic value and worth it for the engine and inducation noise alone!!!
Edited by housemaster on Tuesday 31st October 08:24
Despite my 2001 only having 25k on it (and being nicely loaded), I found out that it is acually worthless because it doesn't have Satnav.
I also found that they only use one book when buying, as 'the other one isn't realistic in today's market'. ie, It values our cars higher.
Given that there are two books used, one cheaper than the other, which one is actually used to set buying prices and which one to set forecourt prices, would not require much insider industry knowledge.
I also found that they only use one book when buying, as 'the other one isn't realistic in today's market'. ie, It values our cars higher.
Given that there are two books used, one cheaper than the other, which one is actually used to set buying prices and which one to set forecourt prices, would not require much insider industry knowledge.
agreed HM and I was looking at a GT3 but for 33k the CSL just did nearly as much as the GT3 plus I have the boot and 4 seats.
in my eyes a GT3 is truly special and I would love a mk2 in my garage one day. they really are special and you can't compare a CSL to them, no matter what people say. my heart will always be with a GT3.
CSLs will go up and stay special
I took out a normal M3 owner round bedford and he was staggered at the difference in the CSL. it is light years and just like jumping from a normal C2 into a gt3.
those in the know, know and those who choose to ignore it and turn up their noses to say it's just an M3 always get a shock!
if I had 30k to spend then forget the C2!
in my eyes a GT3 is truly special and I would love a mk2 in my garage one day. they really are special and you can't compare a CSL to them, no matter what people say. my heart will always be with a GT3.
CSLs will go up and stay special
I took out a normal M3 owner round bedford and he was staggered at the difference in the CSL. it is light years and just like jumping from a normal C2 into a gt3.
those in the know, know and those who choose to ignore it and turn up their noses to say it's just an M3 always get a shock!
if I had 30k to spend then forget the C2!
Do bear in mind the BMW dealer sells BMW`s not Porsches. Now I`m not going to stand here and defend some snotty nosed accountancy run main dealers who forget that they are car dealers who, heaven forbid, occasionally have to touch units, sorry cars, and get their sweaty palms dirty. Why once I even saw one of the suits place one knee on the ground to pay a token gesture towards checking the tyre depth on a car. The fact is they know even less about Porsches than I do about BMW`s. You could run over me in the thing you are trying to buy and I couldn`t tell you what it was. So given the sales dudes know jack shit about the mechanical goings on of an internal combustion engine in a BMW what hope have you when it comes to a car that hides it`s engine in the boot (or trunk to our friends from accross the pond).
Re: 6k miles a year. If you look in Glasses Guide they do indeed publish very low guide figures for a Porsche. Odd given the fact that Porsches are everyday transport unlike, say, a Ferrari. It all stemmed from a while back when Glasses wanted to soften the prices on Porsches in their guide. Porsche said hang on a jiffy that`s not on - look at the prices in our dealerships, so Glasses said all right - we`ll halve the mileage allowance, that way a car with a little number in the M/D showroom is correct but normal cars, priced accordingly also work in our guide (as much as a specialist car such as a Porsche ever works!).
As for the value of your car you neglect to say exactly which model it is. 2001 is on the cusp, it could be a 3.4 pre face-lift or a 3.6 face-lift car and obviously that makes a significant difference to the value. Similarly there may not be a 50k mile service but there will be a 4 year / 48k mile (odd isn`t it how unlike glasses guide Porsche choose 12k / 12 month intervals rather than 6k / 12 month service intervals !), your car will either be due a service or it won`t but you can tell the chap that by taking your service records with you when trying to p/x.
If your car is a pre face-lift then £27k doesn`t sound too far off the mark, were you looking to buy your car again then I would suggest you`d set a budget of £30k and possibly even want a bit of change. If it`s face-lift car then they are potentially being a bit tough on you and give us a call !
Also do bear in mind how much you`re paying for the BM. If it`s too expensive then by all means dig your heals in (actually you`re probably better off losing the Porsche through the specialist network and going in with cash, that way the BM dealer knows exactly what they are getting for their car and there is no uncertanty over exactly what they`ll end up with (we are the same when it comes to taking a non Porsche in). If the BM is well priced then bear that in mind, don`t just see it from the price you`re getting allowed.
Hope that helps.
Henry
Re: 6k miles a year. If you look in Glasses Guide they do indeed publish very low guide figures for a Porsche. Odd given the fact that Porsches are everyday transport unlike, say, a Ferrari. It all stemmed from a while back when Glasses wanted to soften the prices on Porsches in their guide. Porsche said hang on a jiffy that`s not on - look at the prices in our dealerships, so Glasses said all right - we`ll halve the mileage allowance, that way a car with a little number in the M/D showroom is correct but normal cars, priced accordingly also work in our guide (as much as a specialist car such as a Porsche ever works!).
As for the value of your car you neglect to say exactly which model it is. 2001 is on the cusp, it could be a 3.4 pre face-lift or a 3.6 face-lift car and obviously that makes a significant difference to the value. Similarly there may not be a 50k mile service but there will be a 4 year / 48k mile (odd isn`t it how unlike glasses guide Porsche choose 12k / 12 month intervals rather than 6k / 12 month service intervals !), your car will either be due a service or it won`t but you can tell the chap that by taking your service records with you when trying to p/x.
If your car is a pre face-lift then £27k doesn`t sound too far off the mark, were you looking to buy your car again then I would suggest you`d set a budget of £30k and possibly even want a bit of change. If it`s face-lift car then they are potentially being a bit tough on you and give us a call !
Also do bear in mind how much you`re paying for the BM. If it`s too expensive then by all means dig your heals in (actually you`re probably better off losing the Porsche through the specialist network and going in with cash, that way the BM dealer knows exactly what they are getting for their car and there is no uncertanty over exactly what they`ll end up with (we are the same when it comes to taking a non Porsche in). If the BM is well priced then bear that in mind, don`t just see it from the price you`re getting allowed.
Hope that helps.
Henry
Vesuvius 996 said:
I win the sweepstake.
And here`s me thinking it was interesting to hear from somone on the other side of the fence. I was going to go on to give you some tips on improving your lot come trade in / selling to the trade time as there are a few mistakes I see time and time again.
No need, just ask Anthony your new resident expert on all things Porsche.
Over to you big boy.....
Henry-F said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
I win the sweepstake.
And here`s me thinking it was interesting to hear from somone on the other side of the fence. I was going to go on to give you some tips on improving your lot come trade in / selling to the trade time as there are a few mistakes I see time and time again.
No need, just ask Anthony your new resident expert on all things Porsche.
Over to you big boy.....
Oh come on Henry, don't lose your sense of humour.
I was merely pontificating in a humourous, and yes slighly irreverent manner about the likelihood of you turning up on a thread about Porsches and mileage - one of the staples of your sales pitch and website content.
You make a living out of buying and selling Porsches. I don't. And having seen your house you're clearly making more money than me, mate, and fair play to you. I wish I had your job.
Don't be so touchy old boy, it's all in good humour.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 31st October 11:42
Henry-F said:
(actually you`re probably better off losing the Porsche through the specialist network and going in with cash,...
i'd sell private/specialist then go in, hammer out a deal based on finance, then pay cash.
(i despise bmw and porsche main dealers) Edited by francisb on Tuesday 31st October 11:48
Vesuvius 996 said:
Henry-F said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
I win the sweepstake.
And here`s me thinking it was interesting to hear from somone on the other side of the fence. I was going to go on to give you some tips on improving your lot come trade in / selling to the trade time as there are a few mistakes I see time and time again.
No need, just ask Anthony your new resident expert on all things Porsche.
Over to you big boy.....
Oh come on Henry, don't lose your sense of humour.
I was merely pontificating in a humourous, and yes slighly irreverent manner about the likelihood of you turning up on a thread about Porsches and mileage - one of the staples of your sales pitch and website content.
You make a living out of buying and selling Porsches. I don't. And having seen your house you're clearly making more money than me, mate, and fair play to you. I wish I had your job.
Don't be so touchy old boy, it's all in good humour.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 31st October 11:42
bod33 said:
Thanks Henry, for the record it's a pre facelift with GT3 bodykit and wheels.
Suvy :
Suvy :
I think as your 996 and the CSL are both worth circa 30k privately then the BMW dealer should just do you a straight swap (plus include a warranty, reconditioning and a full service on the new car) as thats only reasonable.
By the way that comment contains sarcasm in case you missed it.
Ask for £500-£1000 off their price in return for a deposit today, then agree 2-3 weeks for you to try to sell your car privately and you might get the cost to change down to £2-£3k
Bennno
kayc said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
Henry-F said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
I win the sweepstake.
And here`s me thinking it was interesting to hear from somone on the other side of the fence. I was going to go on to give you some tips on improving your lot come trade in / selling to the trade time as there are a few mistakes I see time and time again.
No need, just ask Anthony your new resident expert on all things Porsche.
Over to you big boy.....
Oh come on Henry, don't lose your sense of humour.
I was merely pontificating in a humourous, and yes slighly irreverent manner about the likelihood of you turning up on a thread about Porsches and mileage - one of the staples of your sales pitch and website content.
You make a living out of buying and selling Porsches. I don't. And having seen your house you're clearly making more money than me, mate, and fair play to you. I wish I had your job.
Don't be so touchy old boy, it's all in good humour.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 31st October 11:42
It's a nice place. I wish it was mine!!
(And he's got a racing GT3 stashed round the back the swine......)
PS Henry - does your wife not beat the crap out of you for the remarks about her on your site?!
Raven Flyer said:
Despite my 2001 only having 25k on it (and being nicely loaded), I found out that it is acually worthless because it doesn't have Satnav.
This shows the short sightedness of people and their inability to think outside the box. The Porsche satnav system is not that good anyway, especially given it costs about £1800 these days. The sensible buyer would ignore the fact that any car they are looking at may not have satnav and then buy their own portable unit which they could use in any car they happen to be driving. If you are silly enough to rely on "fashion" to guide you as to what you need to have in order to consider buying a car you are going to miss out on some excellent buys if only you could think for yourself.
Yex
ps: yes I do know Raven Flyer's car and anyone looking at it will not be dissappointed
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