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fidgits said:
mondeoman said:
fidgits said:
well, they're doing something right!
Yep, concentrating on thier core product - sports cars, not trying to become a "mainstream" manufacturer with a finger in every class.
Be interesting to see how BMW have done since they started chasing every market sector...
well, the 3 series is outselling the Mondeo - but I think that has devalued the brand somewhat..
Should this worries me having moved from a 3 series to a 911. How long before the 911 becomes the new 3 series and everyone's buying one? Suppose probably not, a new 911 costing £60k'ish, a new 3 series costing £20k'ish!
bdeng66 said:
edoardo said:
XTR2Turbo said:
profit of €20,000 or £14,000 per car sold.
That's the same thing I thought first when reading the article.
amazing. from the quoted figures it's € 21,800 = £ 14700 per car pre tax.
I'd like to see their revenue so that we can guess an average price per car sold.
And then of course the dealer has his own profit to make, which is the price we pay less their payment to Porsche for the car....
Blimmey, they must cost less to build than a very cheap thing!
Most cars are actually a pittance in materials & build cost relative to final sticker price in the showroom, however the R&D cost is quite a substantial amount.
stubbsy996 said:
fidgits said:
mondeoman said:
fidgits said:
well, they're doing something right!
Yep, concentrating on thier core product - sports cars, not trying to become a "mainstream" manufacturer with a finger in every class.
Be interesting to see how BMW have done since they started chasing every market sector...
well, the 3 series is outselling the Mondeo - but I think that has devalued the brand somewhat..
Should this worries me having moved from a 3 series to a 911. How long before the 911 becomes the new 3 series and everyone's buying one? Suppose probably not, a new 911 costing £60k'ish, a new 3 series costing £20k'ish!
I think the BMW lowering prices, and introducing lower specification models in the 3 series range coupled with low interest rates for attractive HP deals were probably the reason for this...
911's might become more popular - but their running costs and relative unpracticalibility will avoid this issue
Road_Terrorist said:
Most cars are actually a pittance in materials & build cost relative to final sticker price in the showroom, however the R&D cost is quite a substantial amount.
Seems like a fair old chunk of the punters' hard earned ££ going into Porsche's pockets given that basic R&D for much of Porsche range was done in early 60's
After all -as said many times before-Porsche design studio can't be a massive drain can it??? Gives you some sort of insight into potential slice for the dealers.
And when they made the 968 and 993 in the early 90's I believe they made losses or very little profit. But most of this was because they were still made the way cars were 30 years before and they never made enough profit to modernise design and production.
Perhaps the lack of original modernisation has forced a price level that we have all come to accept - that now they have up to the minute production techniques - has resulted in the huge profits.
Good luck to them - I say - but why not give something small back when a design or component proves inadequate or troublesome?
Baz Hartech
Perhaps the lack of original modernisation has forced a price level that we have all come to accept - that now they have up to the minute production techniques - has resulted in the huge profits.
Good luck to them - I say - but why not give something small back when a design or component proves inadequate or troublesome?
Baz Hartech
or who knows maybe even a bloody 3 year warranty like every other manufacturer (or god forbid 4 years like Porsche US)Sorry, run those numbers past me again....
Big profit from the sale of 96000 cars? Ford and GM make millions of cars and still make a loss.....
Christ, makes you think doesnt it.... If Porsche can make a profit on their cars why on earth cant the others do the same? I mean, £10 on each Ford means they still make £10m (assuming they make a million cars).... sorry, just checked - Ford MoCo sold over 2.5 Million cars in 2005 and still make a whopping loss....
Jeez, thats bad.... but good for Porsche....
Big profit from the sale of 96000 cars? Ford and GM make millions of cars and still make a loss.....
Christ, makes you think doesnt it.... If Porsche can make a profit on their cars why on earth cant the others do the same? I mean, £10 on each Ford means they still make £10m (assuming they make a million cars).... sorry, just checked - Ford MoCo sold over 2.5 Million cars in 2005 and still make a whopping loss....
Jeez, thats bad.... but good for Porsche....
hartech said:
Perhaps the lack of original modernisation has forced a price level that we have all come to accept - that now they have up to the minute production techniques - has resulted in the huge profits.
Good luck to them - I say - but why not give something small back when a design or component proves inadequate or troublesome?
Baz Hartech
Good luck to them - I say - but why not give something small back when a design or component proves inadequate or troublesome?
Baz Hartech
Hit the nail on the head on both counts there Baz.
It's a not as simple as the number of cars sold vs. overall profit to work out how much is made on each car, but it is a fact that Porsche make more on each car than any other manufacturer. The real figure is below £10k. Still enough profit to allow for investment to increase the quality of service across the OPC network and provide more goodwill settlements to suppress the number of complaints Porsche and the dealers are getting because of these design issues.
Too busy to read the posts (sorry!), but I can't help wondering what would happen if TVR sold out to Porsche. I think TVR is a turnaround candidate, Porsche knows sportscars and Porsche knows how to make money. TVR makes exciting sportscars missing that last 3% that would make them great and Porsche can give TVR the 3%, save TVR and make money...
Kind of good news that a sports car maker is rolling in money, even if they do resort to that God awfull Cayenne thingy.
But everyone loves a loser don't they................
You would think they could afford to honour warranties in a decent way wouldn't you?
Alloys?
Brakes?
Etc
etc....
But everyone loves a loser don't they................
You would think they could afford to honour warranties in a decent way wouldn't you?
Alloys?
Brakes?
Etc
etc....
off_again said:
Sorry, run those numbers past me again....
Big profit from the sale of 96000 cars? Ford and GM make millions of cars and still make a loss.....
Christ, makes you think doesnt it.... If Porsche can make a profit on their cars why on earth cant the others do the same? I mean, £10 on each Ford means they still make £10m (assuming they make a million cars).... sorry, just checked - Ford MoCo sold over 2.5 Million cars in 2005 and still make a whopping loss....
Jeez, thats bad.... but good for Porsche....
Thats because Ford sell make good cars(vfm) too cheap with too low margins..and Porsche still survive on the bullshit that they are a specialist manafacturer making precision exclusive vehicles ...when actually they are using mass -produced techniques and selling huge numbers of cars'at expensive prices.A porsche now is becoming a very run of the mill car unfortunately and second hand prices prove that..Big profit from the sale of 96000 cars? Ford and GM make millions of cars and still make a loss.....
Christ, makes you think doesnt it.... If Porsche can make a profit on their cars why on earth cant the others do the same? I mean, £10 on each Ford means they still make £10m (assuming they make a million cars).... sorry, just checked - Ford MoCo sold over 2.5 Million cars in 2005 and still make a whopping loss....
Jeez, thats bad.... but good for Porsche....
jpf said:
Too busy to read the posts (sorry!), but I can't help wondering what would happen if TVR sold out to Porsche. I think TVR is a turnaround candidate, Porsche knows sportscars and Porsche knows how to make money. TVR makes exciting sportscars missing that last 3% that would make them great and Porsche can give TVR the 3%, save TVR and make money...
Or alternatively, not buy TVR, save the time & money & sell more Boxsters, Caymans and 911s to ex TVR buyers!
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