Another OPC question - prices....
Discussion
redleicester said:
paracetamol said:
Why do you want a Cayanne????? Personally I feel that you should pay the OPC margin- treat it as a "stupidity tax"
Damn, the flameproofing didn't last long did it.
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
We have a couple of Lupo's in - what spec are you after?
997gt3 said:
redleicester said:
paracetamol said:
Why do you want a Cayanne????? Personally I feel that you should pay the OPC margin- treat it as a "stupidity tax"
Damn, the flameproofing didn't last long did it.
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
We have a couple of Lupo's in - what spec are you after?
Ah right, about 340bhp, air suspension, 19 or 20" wheels, nav and comms, full leccy leather and rear side blinds please?
redleicester said:
997gt3 said:
redleicester said:
paracetamol said:
Why do you want a Cayanne????? Personally I feel that you should pay the OPC margin- treat it as a "stupidity tax"
Damn, the flameproofing didn't last long did it.
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
We have a couple of Lupo's in - what spec are you after?
Ah right, about 340bhp, air suspension, 19 or 20" wheels, nav and comms, full leccy leather and rear side blinds please?
340bhp from a 3-cyl engine
I can fit some side blinds and sat nav but getting 19" wheels under the arches may require a visit to the bodyshop
redleicester said:
Dr S said:
redleicester said:
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
But make sure to transplant the engine to the back-end before mentioning it on this forum...
Aaaah so that's where I went wrong? Will remember in future.
no need to be so drastic. just drive in reverse all the time. that will keep those 911 boys happy and lets face it, the cayenne is so damned boxy that no one will notice
redleicester said:
paracetamol said:
Why do you want a Cayanne????? Personally I feel that you should pay the OPC margin- treat it as a "stupidity tax"
Damn, the flameproofing didn't last long did it.
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
No-get a Range Rover-at least its true to its marque-not some made up VW with a massive engine to make it go really fast.
Every other Porsche ever made has something unique and different to other car manufactueres that justifies it to be a Porsche.
The Cayanne just bolts a bloody great big engine to a VW Toureg thats been beaten by an ugly stick-so that footballers and the Cheshire set have something to buy their wives or mistresses when they visit the Porsche dealership for a proper car...phew rant over
paracetamol said:
No-get a Range Rover-at least its true to its marque-not some made up VW with a massive engine to make it go really fast.
Every other Porsche ever made has something unique and different to other car manufactueres that justifies it to be a Porsche.
The Cayanne just bolts a bloody great big engine to a VW Toureg thats been beaten by an ugly stick-so that footballers and the Cheshire set have something to buy their wives or mistresses when they visit the Porsche dealership for a proper car...phew rant over
Every other Porsche ever made has something unique and different to other car manufactueres that justifies it to be a Porsche.
The Cayanne just bolts a bloody great big engine to a VW Toureg thats been beaten by an ugly stick-so that footballers and the Cheshire set have something to buy their wives or mistresses when they visit the Porsche dealership for a proper car...phew rant over
Yawn, yet another bashing of a car based upon looks alone. Here is what 5th Gear have to say about the new Cayenne on their website....
"Since its launch four years ago Porsche's Cayenne has seen few challengers in the SUV market, at least when the accent was on 'Sports' rather than 'Utility'. With the right tyre and suspension package the Cayenne could wade, climb and mud plug with the best of them, while for sheer power and speed there was nothing to touch the 167mph Turbo S model. But with the coming of the supercharged Range Rover Sport, AMG Mercedes ML63 and others it was time for a Cayenne rethink. ... Exterior changes to this second generation Cayenne are subtle....As before, there are SUVs with more seats, loadspace and all-round practicality, but if you're not looking for an all-wheel-drive MPV, then the comfortable and luxurious Cayenne still fits the bill, assuming you have the means.....We didn't venture off-road on this 'first drive' (wrong tyres for wet clay), but PDCC certainly works on-road. Despite this and the Cayenne's exemplary chassis, at over two tonnes it's still not a true sports car on a twisting road, but it's getting ever closer. Although not possessing the agility of its smaller sports car siblings, the new Cayenne is no slouch in a straight line. The V6 with 6-speed manual transmission can sprint to 62mph in 8.1 seconds, reach 141mph and has enough on-the-road urge to satisfy all normal driving requirements. The Cayenne S could be considered something of an overkill; how many of us actually need a 156mph SUV?.... The Turbo model represents overkill by almost any rationale; 516lb ft of torque, 0-62mph in 5.1, 0-100mph in 11.4 and a top speed of 171mph ... Apart from the raw figures, in the real world this means blistering acceleration from any speed to any speed (almost) while the Cayenne Turbo's position at the top of the SUV performance tree is well and truly maintained."
Edited by isuk on Wednesday 31st January 16:56
isuk said:
Yawn, yet another bashing of a car based upon looks alone. Here is what 5th Gear have to say about the new Cayenne on their website....
Not at all-my point is that if Porsche really needed to make an SUV (and I dont have a problem with them doing so)- then it could at least have been different somehow-even 924's were so different to their competiton. In fact Porsche never really have a direct competitor. What they have done with the Cayanne is nothing but badge engineernig-bit like Rover did with the Tata indica
IMO, the Cayenne is a good car which has helped Porsche through the tough competition and allowed the marque to maintain its percieved quality rather than lowering prices and offering cash back on the bonnet. which would cheapen the brand.
The guy has made up his mind to get one, so all the flaming is just going to alienate him froma forum of nice people and free advice. Lighten up.
Besides the original question related to was it worth getting a car from an OPC. Well if you spend money with them then they are more likely to help you out if something that is not covered by the warranty goes wrong. recriprocal goodwill i think it is called.
Best of luck with the car redleicester. and yaa boosucks to all those cayenne haters. Grow up. its a porsche and responsible for 50% of their total sales last year.
The guy has made up his mind to get one, so all the flaming is just going to alienate him froma forum of nice people and free advice. Lighten up.
Besides the original question related to was it worth getting a car from an OPC. Well if you spend money with them then they are more likely to help you out if something that is not covered by the warranty goes wrong. recriprocal goodwill i think it is called.
Best of luck with the car redleicester. and yaa boosucks to all those cayenne haters. Grow up. its a porsche and responsible for 50% of their total sales last year.
Yes go ahead and buy a Cayenne and enjoy it redleicester, they are superb cars. I love mine and am getting a new facelift S model in July. I understand there are people who don't like it's looks as we all have different tastes but you have to live with one day in, day out to truly appreciate what an outstanding job Porsche have done with this class of vehicle. I've owned an X5 and the Porsche is a far better car to drive. As for the Touareg comparison, please don't mention them in the same breath as they do not compare for driving dynamics. They may share the basic body structure but the important mechanical bits are all altered and it shows. A friend of mine did 45,000 miles in a V10 Tdi Touareg and thought it was a great car. He traded it last summer for a Cayenne Turbo and says there is no way he'd go back to the VW now as the Porsche is so dynamically superior. And before I get flamed for liking this beast I also have a 987 and a 997 C2S so I can appreciate the amazing difference the Porsche DNA makes to it. Until the Panamera arrives the Cayenne is the real deal as far as a day to day practical Porsche goes and many people miss this point completely IMHO.
As far as the looks are concerned don't forget that Porsche had to jointly develop the car with VW to make it cost effective. As a complete model departure they could not afford to go it alone on development. As a result it's basic architecture and engineering hard points are shared with the Touraeg and the styling was a deliberate attempt to give the car a visual link to the then current 986 and 996 models so that Joe Public would recognise it as a Porsche. The facelift helps create a slightly more unique front but is a stop gap until the all new model arrives in 2010 which will no doubt be a more individual design as Porsche can now afford to develop a more unique car with the model being firmly established in the range.
As far as the looks are concerned don't forget that Porsche had to jointly develop the car with VW to make it cost effective. As a complete model departure they could not afford to go it alone on development. As a result it's basic architecture and engineering hard points are shared with the Touraeg and the styling was a deliberate attempt to give the car a visual link to the then current 986 and 996 models so that Joe Public would recognise it as a Porsche. The facelift helps create a slightly more unique front but is a stop gap until the all new model arrives in 2010 which will no doubt be a more individual design as Porsche can now afford to develop a more unique car with the model being firmly established in the range.
isuk said:
Yes go ahead and buy a Cayenne and enjoy it redleicester, they are superb cars. I love mine and am getting a new facelift S model in July. I understand there are people who don't like it's looks as we all have different tastes but you have to live with one day in, day out to truly appreciate what an outstanding job Porsche have done with this class of vehicle. I've owned an X5 and the Porsche is a far better car to drive. As for the Touareg comparison, please don't mention them in the same breath as they do not compare for driving dynamics. They may share the basic body structure but the important mechanical bits are all altered and it shows. A friend of mine did 45,000 miles in a V10 Tdi Touareg and thought it was a great car. He traded it last summer for a Cayenne Turbo and says there is no way he'd go back to the VW now as the Porsche is so dynamically superior. And before I get flamed for liking this beast I also have a 987 and a 997 C2S so I can appreciate the amazing difference the Porsche DNA makes to it. Until the Panamera arrives the Cayenne is the real deal as far as a day to day practical Porsche goes and many people miss this point completely IMHO.
As far as the looks are concerned don't forget that Porsche had to jointly develop the car with VW to make it cost effective. As a complete model departure they could not afford to go it alone on development. As a result it's basic architecture and engineering hard points are shared with the Touraeg and the styling was a deliberate attempt to give the car a visual link to the then current 986 and 996 models so that Joe Public would recognise it as a Porsche. The facelift helps create a slightly more unique front but is a stop gap until the all new model arrives in 2010 which will no doubt be a more individual design as Porsche can now afford to develop a more unique car with the model being firmly established in the range.
As far as the looks are concerned don't forget that Porsche had to jointly develop the car with VW to make it cost effective. As a complete model departure they could not afford to go it alone on development. As a result it's basic architecture and engineering hard points are shared with the Touraeg and the styling was a deliberate attempt to give the car a visual link to the then current 986 and 996 models so that Joe Public would recognise it as a Porsche. The facelift helps create a slightly more unique front but is a stop gap until the all new model arrives in 2010 which will no doubt be a more individual design as Porsche can now afford to develop a more unique car with the model being firmly established in the range.
The Panamera-now we are talking....everything the Cayanne should have been-instead of jumping on the footballer's wife and America's obession with SUVs they could have created their own niche...and as for the survival of Porsche-it may end up being its downfall-sales have dwindled, residuals are on the floor
Residuals on the floor? Really... how interesting. What evidence is that based upon? Look at the % of retained value against original price for a Cayenne then look at the competition and tell me that the Porsche is the worst?? There are so many models of 4x4's competing on the used market that none of them have great residuals apart from the first year or so of their life cycle when they are the latest must have fashion accessory. This factor combined with shorter model production times now affects nearly all cars if you hadn't noticed. Look at depreciation on Ferrari V12's, Bentley Conti's, S class Mercs, 7 series BMW's etc etc. If you have ever tried to sell a prestige car back to a dealer you'll realise that they all pull your trousers down. I had a main Ferrari dealer offer me an £11k drop on a 360 4 months after I bought it from them so I'd say that's far worse than any drop I've suffered on my Cayenne (which incidentally is about £15k in 2 years of ownership and means it has held nearly 67% of its original value which is pretty damned good). So please, don't try and knock the Cayenne now on residuals. That is a pretty poor arguement. I preferred the "it's ugly as feck one" myself
isuk said:
Residuals on the floor? Really... how interesting. What evidence is that based upon? Look at the % of retained value against original price for a Cayenne then look at the competition and tell me that the Porsche is the worst?? There are so many models of 4x4's competing on the used market that none of them have great residuals apart from the first year or so of their life cycle when they are the latest must have fashion accessory. This factor combined with shorter model production times now affects nearly all cars if you hadn't noticed. Look at depreciation on Ferrari V12's, Bentley Conti's, S class Mercs, 7 series BMW's etc etc. If you have ever tried to sell a prestige car back to a dealer you'll realise that they all pull your trousers down. I had a main Ferrari dealer offer me an £11k drop on a 360 4 months after I bought it from them so I'd say that's far worse than any drop I've suffered on my Cayenne (which incidentally is about £15k in 2 years of ownership and means it has held nearly 67% of its original value which is pretty damned good). So please, don't try and knock the Cayenne now on residuals. That is a pretty poor arguement. I preferred the "it's ugly as feck one" myself
roll on richmond parking tax....congestion charges and road user charges and watch the sales of Cayannes tumble...
softinthehead said:
redleicester said:
Dr S said:
redleicester said:
Sorry, I shall buy a three cylinder Lupo instead.
But make sure to transplant the engine to the back-end before mentioning it on this forum...
Aaaah so that's where I went wrong? Will remember in future.
no need to be so drastic. just drive in reverse all the time. that will keep those 911 boys happy and lets face it, the cayenne is so damned boxy that no one will notice
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