As promised, 996tt heap of mods, heres my experience.

As promised, 996tt heap of mods, heres my experience.

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ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Sunday 13th September 2009
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VonSenger said:
hahaha, quality, I just realised what I done. My exhaust is Milltek not fabspeed..... Doh, for some reason I assumed Matt got me a Fabspeed, but its definately a Milltek!


wally.
Been in the US since August but back today !!

Yeah I couldnt understand why you'd go for a Fabspeed out of all exhausts, least of all that Matt would recommend or fit one !!! I know Matt likes the Milltek and recommends it to people that don't want to stretch to the Europipe.... I love mine and its really opening up now its got a few miles under it. Interestingly its elbows are actually less restrictive to that of the EP also !





VonSenger

Original Poster:

2,465 posts

191 months

Wednesday 16th September 2009
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ZeroH said:
VonSenger said:
hahaha, quality, I just realised what I done. My exhaust is Milltek not fabspeed..... Doh, for some reason I assumed Matt got me a Fabspeed, but its definately a Milltek!


wally.
Been in the US since August but back today !!

Yeah I couldnt understand why you'd go for a Fabspeed out of all exhausts, least of all that Matt would recommend or fit one !!! I know Matt likes the Milltek and recommends it to people that don't want to stretch to the Europipe.... I love mine and its really opening up now its got a few miles under it. Interestingly its elbows are actually less restrictive to that of the EP also !

When are you next in town? would be good to meet up soon.

hiten_x

22 posts

184 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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have you still got the cargraphic exhaust?

VonSenger

Original Poster:

2,465 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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hiten_x said:
have you still got the cargraphic exhaust?
Sorry buddy, sold it a long time ago, for peanuts to a freind! frown

ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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VonSenger said:
ZeroH said:
VonSenger said:
hahaha, quality, I just realised what I done. My exhaust is Milltek not fabspeed..... Doh, for some reason I assumed Matt got me a Fabspeed, but its definately a Milltek!


wally.
Been in the US since August but back today !!

Yeah I couldnt understand why you'd go for a Fabspeed out of all exhausts, least of all that Matt would recommend or fit one !!! I know Matt likes the Milltek and recommends it to people that don't want to stretch to the Europipe.... I love mine and its really opening up now its got a few miles under it. Interestingly its elbows are actually less restrictive to that of the EP also !

When are you next in town? would be good to meet up soon.
I'm back in town dude and ready to rumble !!

s3nick

710 posts

221 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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Must say nice modding going on here biggrin.

Hey ZeroH how you doing these days? Been a while aye!

Done much to the X50?

ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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s3nick said:
Must say nice modding going on here biggrin.

Hey ZeroH how you doing these days? Been a while aye!

Done much to the X50?
lol, just a bit mate !!

We should meet up soon - VonS works in central London also and obviously so does Cal, so nothing stopping us arranging the hook up to discuss turbo tuning and compare notes !

s3nick

710 posts

221 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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ZeroH said:
s3nick said:
Must say nice modding going on here biggrin.

Hey ZeroH how you doing these days? Been a while aye!

Done much to the X50?
lol, just a bit mate !!

We should meet up soon - VonS works in central London also and obviously so does Cal, so nothing stopping us arranging the hook up to discuss turbo tuning and compare notes !
Sounds good to me. So what have you done to the old pork then m8?

andyscoobs

329 posts

218 months

Thursday 17th September 2009
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If anyone was wondering where my Remap Group buy thread was it was removed as it is seen as an advert.

For the people who were interested click on :

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=488812

996ttalot

1,931 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th September 2009
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Hey,

Well I add some details of what I have done.

I had a standard 996tt and ran like that for 2 years. Quick car and certainely quicker than my M3 that I had before.

The car had a number of issues since it wasn't brought from new, but once those got sorted, I decided that I needed more power.

I had all the work done by PARR.

1) DV's, filter and map.
- difference was noticable since I was running 0.9-1.0 bar and the car was noticable quicker. In 4th and 5th it would boost to 1.1-1.2 since there is more time to build pressure.

I ran like this for 1 year, but got bored. It still felt like there was something missing.

So.

2) We got a set of BlownSix ICs from Canada imported, and a cargraphic Intake Plenium. New uprated hoses all round.

In fact it took some time to get this done, because I didn't want any frame work modified, and like all ICs, they tend not to fit exactly.

When I first drove it it felt much better, but we there were problems with pressure loss due to the hoses not fitting correctly. In the end we had to use one of the standard ones for one of the ICs.

Once that was all sorted, well, the car is just so agressive.

There is still a problem of a small leak through the hoses. This is frustrating since it is a design fault, but the new design should be available in 2 weeks time.

So how do I feel now?

Well, I did this in stages, to get use to the extra power each time. I have not had it dyno simplying because Parr does not have 4wd avaialable, and for the same reasons that has already been posted re getting air to the ICs.

What I can say is that Parr has a couple other cars which are running around 570-580. We know from tests that the car is at least as quick if not quicker. The biggest difference is the ICs and IP. There was no need to remap, because the map already adjusts for the new mods. Only need to map if I was to change the exhaust, and to be frank, for an extra 20 or so hp, it really is not worth it. The noise from the car is very different from standard now, because you can hear the turbos spinning after the second set of mods.

I am not an expert in these things, but I know a friend with a 997tt which is standard and he was very frustrated at me pulling past him under full chat recently. Not like leaving standing because standard 997tt is quick, but pulling 3 car lengths in around 5-8 seconds when both of us are on full chat.

The cost, well around 1.5k for number one, and around 6k for the second.

The one real benefit of number 2, is that the engine is a lot cooler, and I don't see any heat soak after lots of hard driving.

At the moment, the only real thing that I want to do is to change the front brakes. That has to be the next sensible mod.

Regards

Silver993tt

9,064 posts

241 months

Saturday 19th September 2009
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What kind of extra insurance loading did you get for those kine of mods?

996ttalot

1,931 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th September 2009
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None yet. I didn't declare the first mods, because I didn't consider them to be lets say visible.

Unfortunately, the second lot of mods, well you open the boot and it sticks out like a sore thumb, especially the bright red hoses. My insurance is up at the end of October, so I will probably go to a known insurance that advertises on this board. I just cannot see my current one willing to do it, or to understand.

So I will declare, but since I am 43, and have ncb of god knows how many years, I don't think it will load too much. Been driving quick cars all my life, and with some insurance companies, they take that into account. Currently paying around 650, so probably be under a grand, but I wouldn't change what I have done.

I think the point for me is that if you do it in stages, then, you can actually tell the difference, because you get use to it. When I get in a standard 996tt (another friend) it feels tame. That's not to say it is not quick, just no aggression like in mine. And when you spend 6k on some second mods, well you need to feel the difference.

996ttalot

1,931 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th September 2009
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I forgot one other mod.

Coming from RWD on most of my past cars, it took some time to get used to 4WD.

I had the geometry changed from standard to a GT2 set up. Not that expensive (around 250 or so). The change is quite noticeable in that the car is sharper into the bends, and you get less understeer.

You can also have a custom one done.

For what it's worth, this change alone was one of the best things I done, but it depends on your driving style. I prefer the car to be a bit loose, because one of the problems I found in the transition between M3 and 996TT apart from the power, was the lack of knowing when it would let go.

Not sure whether many people know you can do this.

ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Sunday 20th September 2009
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996ttalot said:
Hey,

Well I add some details of what I have done.

I had a standard 996tt and ran like that for 2 years. Quick car and certainely quicker than my M3 that I had before.

The car had a number of issues since it wasn't brought from new, but once those got sorted, I decided that I needed more power.

I had all the work done by PARR.

1) DV's, filter and map.
- difference was noticable since I was running 0.9-1.0 bar and the car was noticable quicker. In 4th and 5th it would boost to 1.1-1.2 since there is more time to build pressure.

I ran like this for 1 year, but got bored. It still felt like there was something missing.

So.

2) We got a set of BlownSix ICs from Canada imported, and a cargraphic Intake Plenium. New uprated hoses all round.

In fact it took some time to get this done, because I didn't want any frame work modified, and like all ICs, they tend not to fit exactly.

When I first drove it it felt much better, but we there were problems with pressure loss due to the hoses not fitting correctly. In the end we had to use one of the standard ones for one of the ICs.

Once that was all sorted, well, the car is just so agressive.

There is still a problem of a small leak through the hoses. This is frustrating since it is a design fault, but the new design should be available in 2 weeks time.

So how do I feel now?

Well, I did this in stages, to get use to the extra power each time. I have not had it dyno simplying because Parr does not have 4wd avaialable, and for the same reasons that has already been posted re getting air to the ICs.

What I can say is that Parr has a couple other cars which are running around 570-580. We know from tests that the car is at least as quick if not quicker. The biggest difference is the ICs and IP. There was no need to remap, because the map already adjusts for the new mods. Only need to map if I was to change the exhaust, and to be frank, for an extra 20 or so hp, it really is not worth it. The noise from the car is very different from standard now, because you can hear the turbos spinning after the second set of mods.

I am not an expert in these things, but I know a friend with a 997tt which is standard and he was very frustrated at me pulling past him under full chat recently. Not like leaving standing because standard 997tt is quick, but pulling 3 car lengths in around 5-8 seconds when both of us are on full chat.

The cost, well around 1.5k for number one, and around 6k for the second.

The one real benefit of number 2, is that the engine is a lot cooler, and I don't see any heat soak after lots of hard driving.

At the moment, the only real thing that I want to do is to change the front brakes. That has to be the next sensible mod.

Regards
Welcome to the board 996ttalot.

Can I ask, did PARR actually advise you on these mods or did you ask for them having researched it yourself ?

They seem a bit random to me... upgraded plenum and i/cs with stage 1 map on i assume k16s, and no exhaust ??? Interested to understand where you are going with it - are you looking at bigger turbos/hybrids to make the most of the hardware ?

My own thoughts are that you are very definitely missing out not having an exhaust... You are getting much more airflow into the engine but not allowing it to exit more efficiently?

on the plenum side I don't believe the stock one is restrictive until you are running over 600hp or so, and GT2 i/cs are more than enough for a stage 1 remap... if you want more then I know EvoMS, AWE, and Switzer all offer reputable alternatives, popular Stateside.

You certainly won't be running 570-580hp on k16's and a remap tho, thats for sure.

There is a rolling road day being arranged on 911uk.com a week saturday, if there are any spaces left and its feasible for you, why not come down and find out what the car is doing. You'll find lots of enthusiasts there, and altho we all have our own opinions, its always good to share info and experiences.

996ttalot

1,931 posts

177 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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Hey,

Where is the meet? It might be too soon because I really want to get the hoses sorted (slight boost leak)first. However I would be happy to come to another.

Actually I did research before but as you say everyone has an opinion. In fact if you look for BlownSix on other boards, especially in the US, people have had bad experiences. However, Parr had done this mod on several other cars with good results. I trust, whether right or wrong, what the guys tell me, and base that on other friends, and also the fact that they work on Porsche GB team cup race preparation etc, or whatever it is that they do.

I suspect you are right about bhp, because upgrading turbos is the next way to go to get more power, and I brought the ICs with that in mind.

Out of interest what exhaust do you run, because there are so many different views on that?

Regards

ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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996ttalot said:
Hey,

Where is the meet? It might be too soon because I really want to get the hoses sorted (slight boost leak)first. However I would be happy to come to another.

Actually I did research before but as you say everyone has an opinion. In fact if you look for BlownSix on other boards, especially in the US, people have had bad experiences. However, Parr had done this mod on several other cars with good results. I trust, whether right or wrong, what the guys tell me, and base that on other friends, and also the fact that they work on Porsche GB team cup race preparation etc, or whatever it is that they do.

I suspect you are right about bhp, because upgrading turbos is the next way to go to get more power, and I brought the ICs with that in mind.

Out of interest what exhaust do you run, because there are so many different views on that?

Regards
Rolling Road day is at Evolve in Luton.. for sure you'd wanna get your boost leak fixed before putting it on the rollers tho !!

Did you get the Parr remap or the Cargraphic/RST remap from them ?

Did PARR also advise on doing the Plenum ?

I guess its the order of your mods rather than the mods themselves that is a bit unconventional but it really does depend on what you are trying to achieve.

I'm aware that the B6 i/c's don't have a great rep in the US. However, if you're ultimately chasing BIG power, then upgraded i'cs and a plenum will be useful, but not before you move to bigger turbos, possibly injectors (people do run 5bar fprs but i've heard it can run rich as a result), and definitely an exhaust.

I'm running a Milltek 200, which is on the more subtle side of the sound-meter (compared to something racier like a tubi say) - I would wholeheartedly recommend the Milltek tho, its a great compromise of sedate sound when cruising and a raspy blare when you rev it. Like the fact that it also comes with lifetime wtee.



GT2 GIZZER

1,930 posts

210 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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Designtek titanium system will blow your ear drums out, the noise in the cabin is far too great, the car on full chat sounded great, but you could not live with it everyday!


996dom

183 posts

260 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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I was the person who took my 996tt to Austec, before the remap I had fitted a pair of motorsport K24's, uprated FPR, Milltek exhaust with 200 cell, Silicone hoses and Forge DV's.

I have owned several TVR's in the past and still got a Tam in the garage, I have always been impressed with Paul at Austec so I thought I'd give him a chance with the 996, and I've got to say I'm pretty happy with the results.

Paul mapped the car so the boost come in progressively starting at 1.0bar and rising to 1.2bar which it holds to the redline, the car feels a lot more powerful than standard and than my previous revo mapped 996tt on K16's.

I haven't put the car on any rollers so can't give an exact power output but I did take part in the Fighting Torque events last month and managed a 11.5 q/m and hit 175mph in the standing mile. I was pretty much the same speed as David Yu's modified Nissan GTR which is running about 570bhp.

I would like to get the car on some rollers just to compare it to other modified 996tt's and also to catch up with what other people have done to their cars, I live in Surrey and work in West London.

Dom




ZeroH

2,906 posts

191 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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996dom said:
I was the person who took my 996tt to Austec, before the remap I had fitted a pair of motorsport K24's, uprated FPR, Milltek exhaust with 200 cell, Silicone hoses and Forge DV's.

I have owned several TVR's in the past and still got a Tam in the garage, I have always been impressed with Paul at Austec so I thought I'd give him a chance with the 996, and I've got to say I'm pretty happy with the results.

Paul mapped the car so the boost come in progressively starting at 1.0bar and rising to 1.2bar which it holds to the redline, the car feels a lot more powerful than standard and than my previous revo mapped 996tt on K16's.

I haven't put the car on any rollers so can't give an exact power output but I did take part in the Fighting Torque events last month and managed a 11.5 q/m and hit 175mph in the standing mile. I was pretty much the same speed as David Yu's modified Nissan GTR which is running about 570bhp.

I would like to get the car on some rollers just to compare it to other modified 996tt's and also to catch up with what other people have done to their cars, I live in Surrey and work in West London.

Dom



11.5 is a quick qtr time Dom, what was the terminal speed you reached at the qtr ?

In this mths evo mag David Yu says that his GTR has with the Cobb Access port been remapped to 547hp.

Per my comments earlier, if you want your car dyno'd then check here to see if there are any spaces left...

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=47261

Be good to catch up.

996ttalot

1,931 posts

177 months

Monday 21st September 2009
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ZeroH said:
996ttalot said:
Hey,

Where is the meet? It might be too soon because I really want to get the hoses sorted (slight boost leak)first. However I would be happy to come to another.

Actually I did research before but as you say everyone has an opinion. In fact if you look for BlownSix on other boards, especially in the US, people have had bad experiences. However, Parr had done this mod on several other cars with good results. I trust, whether right or wrong, what the guys tell me, and base that on other friends, and also the fact that they work on Porsche GB team cup race preparation etc, or whatever it is that they do.

I suspect you are right about bhp, because upgrading turbos is the next way to go to get more power, and I brought the ICs with that in mind.

Out of interest what exhaust do you run, because there are so many different views on that?

Regards
Rolling Road day is at Evolve in Luton.. for sure you'd wanna get your boost leak fixed before putting it on the rollers tho !!

Did you get the Parr remap or the Cargraphic/RST remap from them ?

Did PARR also advise on doing the Plenum ?

I guess its the order of your mods rather than the mods themselves that is a bit unconventional but it really does depend on what you are trying to achieve.

I'm aware that the B6 i/c's don't have a great rep in the US. However, if you're ultimately chasing BIG power, then upgraded i'cs and a plenum will be useful, but not before you move to bigger turbos, possibly injectors (people do run 5bar fprs but i've heard it can run rich as a result), and definitely an exhaust.

I'm running a Milltek 200, which is on the more subtle side of the sound-meter (compared to something racier like a tubi say) - I would wholeheartedly recommend the Milltek tho, its a great compromise of sedate sound when cruising and a raspy blare when you rev it. Like the fact that it also comes with lifetime wtee.

1) I don't know which map. But I can find out.

2) I went to them and asked them how to get more power. In their opinion and I quote, the IP and IC are worth 50-60 hp. They had done that on other turbos and were confident of that. For the price, it was the most cost effective solution.
I think the total cost was around 5k, not 6k, because I also had other work done e.g. service + disks.
Yes, I could have gone down the Exhaust route, and may still do, but firstly, need to get more/colder air. They advised not to got for the 75 IP, but the 70 IP, as they have found it gives better results. I think the IP was around 900 GBP. They say, it is good for 25-30bhp and I was tempted to just do this, but I wanted to have the ICs, since it made sense to put the two together.

I would say the noticeable thing about the ICs is lack of heat soak, which I did notice before.
We did have to send one of the ICs to get one bolt moved about an 1/8th of an inch, but other than that they were fine.

As I said, I did have concerns about Blownsix, but discussed it with Parr, and they offered me a straight refund if I didn't notice the difference.

FYI, the difference I noticed when I done the first stage e.g. from say 420 to 480-490, I got nearly the same feeling again. I had driven the car for over a year with the first stage, before doing the second. My gut feel is that it is probably running somewhere around 540-550. Just my gut feel. It will be interesting to see on a dyno.
I cannot make the Luton one, but will be happy to come to another.