The decision has been made... 964RS
Discussion
The difference between RS and RSR models, in general, is, that RSR's are faster (aren't they in fact something like very limited race homologation models?). I suppose it's just like the difference between the Turbo and Turbo S models - less weight, more power; oh, isn't the 964 RSR a 3.8 litre engined one? Oh, and I'd say it's a choice you've made there, domster. I've had the luck recently to encounter an RS (993 though) at the parking lot, and the even greater luck to see a person looking like the possible owner of it running across the road straightly towards it... So I talked some words to him about the car, and I made him play with the throttle before he left... Inside, this car is great, just my taste: Perfect spartanism. I love that door opening and closing mechanism... Greetings from Germany!
Differences between 964RS and RSR are that the RSR is a lot rarer, has a 3.8 engine and came stripped out (no carpets etc) with a roll cage fitted.
To my knowledge a 993RSR wasn't produced but a 993 Clubsport was. Not sure about the differences but would assume it is more sparten inside than a standard 993RS.
To my knowledge a 993RSR wasn't produced but a 993 Clubsport was. Not sure about the differences but would assume it is more sparten inside than a standard 993RS.
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First posting here.
Should be picking this 993 RS up tomorrow :-
www.autofarm.co.uk/car.php3/SB382.html
May have some problems getting to sleep tonight.
Jim
Awesome! I would really love that car!
Hi guys,
A few quick points.
Jim - congrats on new 993RS - I saw it at Autofarm being fettled pre-delivery for you last week. Looks lovely even on a ramp! It was Karen who got me onto the 964RS thing. She said a car 'may be coming in soon' but I couldn't wait and found the red one. Deposit down and she still hasn't called... I was offered an RHD silver 993RS for 36k, but it was a Category C repair and I will be happy with the 964RS for a couple of years before 'upgrading' to the 993RS probably. Nice choice!
Twerlie - there are many reasons why I didn't go for a cerby, but they used to be a favourite of mine performance-wise. It all comes down to build quality and reliability sadly (surprise surprise). You will notice I've gone for a Porsche with a bit of character, though. The standard ones can sometimes be a bit too sensible!
RS vs RSR, well the 964RS did have a racing/road counterpart called the RSR, which was based on the turbo body (965) with a 3.8l engine not the 3.6. They are stunning - I've seen one in the flesh. Carpeted, but with a roll cage and harnesses, presumably as standard. They had the red brakes and 3.6 split rims, plus a big biplane spoiler. They also did a 964 RS clubsport spec car that had no carpets and a roll cage. This was basically for weekend racers. The 993RS didn't come in RSR spec, I believe, just the clubsport as mentioned.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much quicker the RSR is over the RS... the 3.8 engine was rated at 320 rather than 260, but RSs normally do nearer 280 out of the box. Big problem for the RSR is the turbo body - it's heavier and has more drag (the biplane spoiler alone weighs a ton) and a roll cage will be quite meaty, too.
Dunno the stats, but I reckon the RSR would be pipped on top whack by the narrower profile RS, but slightly more accelerative, maybe only be a few tenths of a second. No denying the RSR looks the business though! I'd probably still rather have one.
Rgds
Domster
>> Edited by domster on Friday 26th April 10:00
A few quick points.
Jim - congrats on new 993RS - I saw it at Autofarm being fettled pre-delivery for you last week. Looks lovely even on a ramp! It was Karen who got me onto the 964RS thing. She said a car 'may be coming in soon' but I couldn't wait and found the red one. Deposit down and she still hasn't called... I was offered an RHD silver 993RS for 36k, but it was a Category C repair and I will be happy with the 964RS for a couple of years before 'upgrading' to the 993RS probably. Nice choice!
Twerlie - there are many reasons why I didn't go for a cerby, but they used to be a favourite of mine performance-wise. It all comes down to build quality and reliability sadly (surprise surprise). You will notice I've gone for a Porsche with a bit of character, though. The standard ones can sometimes be a bit too sensible!
RS vs RSR, well the 964RS did have a racing/road counterpart called the RSR, which was based on the turbo body (965) with a 3.8l engine not the 3.6. They are stunning - I've seen one in the flesh. Carpeted, but with a roll cage and harnesses, presumably as standard. They had the red brakes and 3.6 split rims, plus a big biplane spoiler. They also did a 964 RS clubsport spec car that had no carpets and a roll cage. This was basically for weekend racers. The 993RS didn't come in RSR spec, I believe, just the clubsport as mentioned.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much quicker the RSR is over the RS... the 3.8 engine was rated at 320 rather than 260, but RSs normally do nearer 280 out of the box. Big problem for the RSR is the turbo body - it's heavier and has more drag (the biplane spoiler alone weighs a ton) and a roll cage will be quite meaty, too.
Dunno the stats, but I reckon the RSR would be pipped on top whack by the narrower profile RS, but slightly more accelerative, maybe only be a few tenths of a second. No denying the RSR looks the business though! I'd probably still rather have one.
Rgds
Domster
>> Edited by domster on Friday 26th April 10:00
Kevin - are you about for the whole weekend or heading off home with the car? Would be great if you wanted to come and show off the car at our pint and pies meet??
Domster and I saw the car marked as 'sold' when looking for him a couple of weeks ago - It looks brilliant.
Cerby vs 964, no comparison in my mind, straight speed isn't everything (although it certainly helps
) the 964 RS driving experience will be awsome.
Domster and I saw the car marked as 'sold' when looking for him a couple of weeks ago - It looks brilliant.
Cerby vs 964, no comparison in my mind, straight speed isn't everything (although it certainly helps
) the 964 RS driving experience will be awsome.
First post on the Porsche board,
Domster,
That 964 RS sounds ideal. Sounds like it has really been looked after.
Murray,
Fantastic car. I plan to own one in a year or 2. Mine will have a cage and no air bags! A blue one me thinks. Still practising rear wheel drive antics in my E30 M3 in the mean time.
I have seen both 964 and 993 RS's at trackdays, and they beat just about everything. I had a rubystone red 964 RS up my behind at Croft once, and it just exploded past me after the chicaine. A lot to be said for the engine position for traction out of slower bends.
I hope you 2 keep us up to date with your ownership experiences.
Domster,
That 964 RS sounds ideal. Sounds like it has really been looked after.
Murray,
Fantastic car. I plan to own one in a year or 2. Mine will have a cage and no air bags! A blue one me thinks. Still practising rear wheel drive antics in my E30 M3 in the mean time.
I have seen both 964 and 993 RS's at trackdays, and they beat just about everything. I had a rubystone red 964 RS up my behind at Croft once, and it just exploded past me after the chicaine. A lot to be said for the engine position for traction out of slower bends.
I hope you 2 keep us up to date with your ownership experiences.
First impressions.
Picked the car up from Autofarm on Friday. It looked absolutely fantastic, if I didn't know better I'd think it was a new car. Travelled home via the M40, pleasantly surprised at the ride quality. Also impressed with the acceleration, pulls like a train in any gear. Steering on the car is amazing, extremely direct.
Over the weekend I ventured out on some of local country roads and found it a bit of a handful. That and me getting used to a lhd wasn't a nice combination.
Went down to Goodwood today. Was orginally going to take my 340r but the weather forecast wasn't too promising. Unfortunately failed the noise test with 105db on a 98db day. Sounds good though :-). Luckily I'm off to Donnington on Wednesday so will be able to give it a proper test on the track where it should excel.
Picked the car up from Autofarm on Friday. It looked absolutely fantastic, if I didn't know better I'd think it was a new car. Travelled home via the M40, pleasantly surprised at the ride quality. Also impressed with the acceleration, pulls like a train in any gear. Steering on the car is amazing, extremely direct.
Over the weekend I ventured out on some of local country roads and found it a bit of a handful. That and me getting used to a lhd wasn't a nice combination.
Went down to Goodwood today. Was orginally going to take my 340r but the weather forecast wasn't too promising. Unfortunately failed the noise test with 105db on a 98db day. Sounds good though :-). Luckily I'm off to Donnington on Wednesday so will be able to give it a proper test on the track where it should excel.
Can someone tell me (as a sportscar fan, but not specifically a Porsche fan) why nearly every car seems to be LHD?
Can't all have been driven over from Germany by bloody service blokes surely?
Did Porsche not sell any cars in the UK in the 80s/90s? I think they did!!
Of the ones I see advertised I should think 80% are lhd – bigger proportion of any car I've ever seen for sale (except Yank tanks
)
Oh yeah and the original M3
Can't all have been driven over from Germany by bloody service blokes surely?
Did Porsche not sell any cars in the UK in the 80s/90s? I think they did!!
Of the ones I see advertised I should think 80% are lhd – bigger proportion of any car I've ever seen for sale (except Yank tanks
) Oh yeah and the original M3
>Can someone tell me (as a sportscar fan, but not >specifically a Porsche fan) why nearly every car seems >to be LHD?
LHD cars, even Porsches, are quite rare in general terms, but their value on the continent compared to inflated UK prices has seen an influx of LHD 'exotica' in recent years. Most of these will be sold outside of the main dealer network, so if you are using Top Marques as your bench mark, you will find that up to half the Porsches for sale privately may be LHD. If you look at the porsche main dealer website you will only find a handful of LHD vehicles - 90% are RHD.
Also, remember that most people who own LHD cars are real enthusiasts, who will put up with the hassle factor. PH is an enthusiast's site, so there will be more LHD Porsche owners here than proportionally than per capita of population.
The final point is that some of the models we're talking about, like the 964RS, are very rare in RHD. They made 2015 LHD cars and 49 RHD cars. Some say it's the best driver's Porsche made, so if you want one, you're likely to end up with a LHD example. Some say these are much purer (the RHD 964RS came with power steering and it was originally engineered as a LHD car.)
>Can't all have been driven over from Germany by bloody >service blokes surely?
I have personally imported two cars (not a service bloke!). There are also companies like MCP Motorsport that make a living from it.
Re the original M3, this model *only* came in LHD. Likewise Delta Integrales, Alfa SZs and a few other cars. I think Porsche is the marque with the highest proportion of LHD vehicles in the marketplace.
Rgds
Domster
LHD cars, even Porsches, are quite rare in general terms, but their value on the continent compared to inflated UK prices has seen an influx of LHD 'exotica' in recent years. Most of these will be sold outside of the main dealer network, so if you are using Top Marques as your bench mark, you will find that up to half the Porsches for sale privately may be LHD. If you look at the porsche main dealer website you will only find a handful of LHD vehicles - 90% are RHD.
Also, remember that most people who own LHD cars are real enthusiasts, who will put up with the hassle factor. PH is an enthusiast's site, so there will be more LHD Porsche owners here than proportionally than per capita of population.
The final point is that some of the models we're talking about, like the 964RS, are very rare in RHD. They made 2015 LHD cars and 49 RHD cars. Some say it's the best driver's Porsche made, so if you want one, you're likely to end up with a LHD example. Some say these are much purer (the RHD 964RS came with power steering and it was originally engineered as a LHD car.)
>Can't all have been driven over from Germany by bloody >service blokes surely?
I have personally imported two cars (not a service bloke!). There are also companies like MCP Motorsport that make a living from it.
Re the original M3, this model *only* came in LHD. Likewise Delta Integrales, Alfa SZs and a few other cars. I think Porsche is the marque with the highest proportion of LHD vehicles in the marketplace.
Rgds
Domster
domster,
congratulations on an excellent purchase. i'm going to france for a few days with a 964rs owner which will hopefully give me a real insight to the car.
have you seen 911 & pw feb 2002, as there is a running report on the car you are buying. if not let me know and I will fax you a copy.
cheers
Paul
congratulations on an excellent purchase. i'm going to france for a few days with a 964rs owner which will hopefully give me a real insight to the car.
have you seen 911 & pw feb 2002, as there is a running report on the car you are buying. if not let me know and I will fax you a copy.
cheers
Paul
PAC - cheers for offer of faxing it thru - Scottster purchased said magazine yesterday... need to read it in detaill, but George told me the gist of it when I met him. Always nice to know a car's history!
Roadrunner - I quite agree that the RSs are overpriced, especially compared to the Turbos. Their cult status, and rarity, make them poor value. To be honest, I have bought mine as much for the resale value as anything else - it should be virtually non-depreciating, whereas a mainstream turbo model may lose slightly more.
Rgds
Domster
Roadrunner - I quite agree that the RSs are overpriced, especially compared to the Turbos. Their cult status, and rarity, make them poor value. To be honest, I have bought mine as much for the resale value as anything else - it should be virtually non-depreciating, whereas a mainstream turbo model may lose slightly more.
Rgds
Domster
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