Is the bubble about to burst?
Discussion
Alpinestars said:
av185 said:
TB303 said:
some cars do feel bigger than others/are more challenging to place size wise
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Perfectly illustrated by the 991 GT3 and GT4. .
Both cars have identical front suspension and front end grip, are exactly the same widths at 1978mm mirror to mirror and yet the GT4 FEELS much smaller externally than the 3.
It's also 10cm shorter?
Clearly the GT3 has a larger rump, including rear wings and overhang, and together with additional room in the rear of the cabin this gives a feeling of more space, but the car still feels wider externally on the road.
GT4 almost feels like a go cart in comparison.
MDL111 said:
the car is as big as it is no matter what it feels like. If it feels narrower than it is, then you might get into trouble underestimating its width.
The UK especially has narrow roads that imo are difficult to drive in anything wider than 1.85m without straying over the middle lines - at least compared to roads in Austria, Germany.
EDIT: Just to be clear I was referring to the CGT vs GTO debate - cars are the same width - if one feels narrower, I am not sure that is necessarily a good thing
Narrower cars generally good
For me it's not only the size in hard numbers but how easily you can judge the size and feel comfortable with the width in particular. If it's intimidating, that isn't good on some U.K. roads. Never driven a 599, but it's possible that visibility and the feel of the size of the car is harder to judge than a CGT.The UK especially has narrow roads that imo are difficult to drive in anything wider than 1.85m without straying over the middle lines - at least compared to roads in Austria, Germany.
EDIT: Just to be clear I was referring to the CGT vs GTO debate - cars are the same width - if one feels narrower, I am not sure that is necessarily a good thing
Narrower cars generally good
Edited by MDL111 on Monday 12th December 13:16
981 or older is perfect for U.K. Roads IMO. Some cars are harder to judge / and or too big. Something about the box/cayman size gives a lot of confidence I find. Older porsches must be even better in this regard.
Koln-RS said:
The smaller a car feels, the bigger the roads feel.
In the UK I'd rather be in a diminutive hot hatch or aircooled 911, than an oversized supercar.
Had an Aventador Spyder for a week last year. 2265mm mirror to mirror!
Joke drivers car....scale overall, width waay too restrictive for normal width UK roads. Then there was the insane gearbox.........
av185 said:
Both 1978mm mirror to mirror, externally.
Clearly the GT3 has a larger rump, including rear wings and overhang, and together with additional room in the rear of the cabin this gives a feeling of more space, but the car still feels wider externally on the road.
GT4 almost feels like a go cart in comparison.
Thanks, if the RS has a larger rump, are you suggesting the body itself is wider? I appreciate mirror to mirror, the 3, RS and GT4 are the same. But by way of comparison, the RS has a wider body than the 3. And I'd expect it to have a wider body than the GT4, with it perhaps being the same as a GT3?Clearly the GT3 has a larger rump, including rear wings and overhang, and together with additional room in the rear of the cabin this gives a feeling of more space, but the car still feels wider externally on the road.
GT4 almost feels like a go cart in comparison.
I can't believe we're talking size!
Koln-RS said:
MDL111 said:
Not convinced that I want a car to " feel smaller" - esp in the UK
The smaller a car feels, the bigger the roads feel.
In the UK I'd rather be in a diminutive hot hatch or aircooled 911, than an oversized supercar.
MDL111 said:
the car is as big as it is no matter what it feels like. If it feels narrower than it is, then you might get into trouble underestimating its width.
The UK especially has narrow roads that imo are difficult to drive in anything wider than 1.85m without straying over the middle lines - at least compared to roads in Austria, Germany.
EDIT: Just to be clear I was referring to the CGT vs GTO debate - cars are the same width - if one feels narrower, I am not sure that is necessarily a good thing
Narrower cars generally good
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+1. A car that feels smaller than it actually is has some considerable disadvantages imo. While I'd agree the cgt doesn't feel as large as the 599, it's not due to the cgt feeling small but rather the 599 feeling like it's enormous (which it is...).... The UK especially has narrow roads that imo are difficult to drive in anything wider than 1.85m without straying over the middle lines - at least compared to roads in Austria, Germany.
EDIT: Just to be clear I was referring to the CGT vs GTO debate - cars are the same width - if one feels narrower, I am not sure that is necessarily a good thing
Narrower cars generally good
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av185 said:
Max BODYWORK width:
991 GT3 RS. 1880mm
991 GT3. 1853mm
GT4. 1817mm
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Thats taking into account the wide rear rump of the 911 though over the cayman. 991 GT3 RS. 1880mm
991 GT3. 1853mm
GT4. 1817mm
:I've had both recently and the GT4 does feel far narrower in the front cabin area than the 911 even though apparently its the same width.
Maybe its the slightly squarer nature of the dash in the GT3 as opposed to the more rounded proportions in the GT4.
Which craft perhaps?
Had a go in my mate's R8 GT. Very very similar pace and sure-footedness of my 996 turbo, but with a lovely V10 soundtrack and a much more modern interior (although I love 996 retro!) made for a brilliant car. The only single thing I could fault was the width of the car on UK B roads - which are the ones often most fun - which gave fewer options at times. I dare say you could get used to the width, but you can never avoid its consequences and occasional limitations.
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