Discussion
APOLO1 said:
HokumPokum said:
My understanding of the RHD market is HK, singapore, thailand, malaysia, Japan, Australia as the main ones. For Singapore the import restriction is cars younger than 3-years old to be road registered. How can this be overcome for cars that are already 3 years old and the 4.0 is very close to that. Maybe that's why there is the recent price spiral?
Otherwise, does age matter in other markets besides singapore?
who said that they are being used on the road....Otherwise, does age matter in other markets besides singapore?
APOLO1 said:
But, do you not feel that making the 991GT3 RS a Turbo, will just move the car into a 991GT2,? Which is not what the RS is about.....In my view
They managed to get buyers to accept auto-only - so a turbo next - well why not. In fact they may as well extend this and add 4WD and a diesel to go with that turbo as buyers will appreciate the driving "safety" of 4WD, and a better range too - well what's not to like...N24 said:
They managed to get buyers to accept auto-only - so a turbo next - well why not. In fact they may as well extend this and add 4WD and a diesel to go with that turbo as buyers will appreciate the driving "safety" of 4WD, and a better range too - well what's not to like...
They should also move the engine to the front so that there can be a decent sized boot at the back.Oh, and make it a proper 5 seater too.
contango said:
That dreadful plastic part in the gear shirt linkage is one example....maybe all upgraded now, but it wasn't unusual to see these cars at a track day with a floppy gear lever....
It's true though, this was the era in Porsche history when the accountants got to rule over the engineers to keep costs down.
The car was homologated to bring geometry and component changes to FIA GT catagories that were successfully being run on RSR's in the American lemans series. In terms of build cost. It was the only road car to that date that cost Porsche more to produce than they sold it for. The thinking was that the motorsport benefits would outweight the marginal loss on a car that was limited to only 700 cars world wide. From this perspective, the car was most certainly not under engineered.It's true though, this was the era in Porsche history when the accountants got to rule over the engineers to keep costs down.
It also shares the majority of its components with the 996 cup which at the time was the most successful racing car in the companies history.
The car is - when compared to later GT3's - if anything over engineered. Under engineering is not an argument that anyone involved with the cars development would accept - certainly not the bean counters who vowed never to allow that situation to arise again.
The thing that let the 996RS down more than anything was OPC's themselves. Like any pure bred race car, it is extremely sensitive to geometry changes and the base set up that was specified by Porsche Germany was often not translated by technicians prior to handover. This led to cars behaving exactly as they were set up. When Parr recieved the development car, it was found to be a long way out of the base line spec.
The design team at Porsche saw the sign off of the 6RS as a triumph. It was the closest they had ever come to replicating a racing car on the road before but the costs involved I producing the car and the political fall out from North America ( far too focussed to pass the safety regs ) meant that Porsche will probably never again make a car like it.
Unlike what has been said on here, it doesn't need any spring or damping upgrades to make it a good road car but to optimise its track performance - unsurprisingly - an upgrade is needed.
You don't need to be a engineering genius to put a set up on a 6RS - you just need to know the set up details. I helped to create beautifully balanced set ups from soft to super sharp and full race in these cars and each one was an absolute delight in terms of balance.
In terms of driver skill - unless you are driving a car with a super sharp set up you don't need to be talented to enjoy driving one.
From what I've read on this thread a much misunderstood car. Far from being the worst of the bunch, it is actually probably the very best.
Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 7th June 19:50
Steve Rance said:
You don't need to be a engineering genius to put a set up on a 6RS - you just need to know the set up details. I helped to create beautifully balanced set ups from soft to super sharp and full race in these cars and each one was an absolute delight in terms of balance.
In terms of driver skill - unless you are driving a car with a super sharp set up you don't need to be talented to enjoy driving one.
From what I've read on this thread a much misunderstood car. Far from being the worst of the bunch, it is actually probably the very best.
Steve: In terms of driver skill - unless you are driving a car with a super sharp set up you don't need to be talented to enjoy driving one.
From what I've read on this thread a much misunderstood car. Far from being the worst of the bunch, it is actually probably the very best.
Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 7th June 19:50
I think you have done a great job in educating me for one. Many thanks.
Never having driven one, I will certainly try for as drive when I am jn Europe.
HokumPokum said:
then i don't understand why RHD prices are higher than LHD ones. surely if you don't intend to drive them on the road then it doesn't matter.
Nice to have the steering wheel on the side of your home market, also from a collection point, only 77 RHD, all the LHD will now get brought up...Steve Rance said:
The car was homologated to bring geometry and component changes to FIA GT catagories that were successfully being run on RSR's in the American lemans series. In terms of build cost. It was the only road car to that date that cost Porsche more to produce than they sold it for. The thinking was that the motorsport benefits would outweight the marginal loss on a car that was limited to only 700 cars world wide. From this perspective, the car was most certainly not under engineered.
It also shares the majority of its components with the 996 cup which at the time was the most successful racing car in the companies history.
The car is - when compared to later GT3's - if anything over engineered. Under engineering is not an argument that anyone involved with the cars development would accept - certainly not the bean counters who vowed never to allow that situation to arise again.
The thing that let the 996RS down more than anything was OPC's themselves. Like any pure bred race car, it is extremely sensitive to geometry changes and the base set up that was specified by Porsche Germany was often not translated by technicians prior to handover. This led to cars behaving exactly as they were set up. When Parr recieved the development car, it was found to be a long way out of the base line spec.
The design team at Porsche saw the sign off of the 6RS as a triumph. It was the closest they had ever come to replicating a racing car on the road before but the costs involved I producing the car and the political fall out from North America ( far too focussed to pass the safety regs ) meant that Porsche will probably never again make a car like it.
Unlike what has been said on here, it doesn't need any spring or damping upgrades to make it a good road car but to optimise its track performance - unsurprisingly - an upgrade is needed.
You don't need to be a engineering genius to put a set up on a 6RS - you just need to know the set up details. I helped to create beautifully balanced set ups from soft to super sharp and full race in these cars and each one was an absolute delight in terms of balance.
In terms of driver skill - unless you are driving a car with a super sharp set up you don't need to be talented to enjoy driving one.
From what I've read on this thread a much misunderstood car. Far from being the worst of the bunch, it is actually probably the very best.
I can see that you are very passionate about this car, I apologise if any of my comments have offended in any way..It also shares the majority of its components with the 996 cup which at the time was the most successful racing car in the companies history.
The car is - when compared to later GT3's - if anything over engineered. Under engineering is not an argument that anyone involved with the cars development would accept - certainly not the bean counters who vowed never to allow that situation to arise again.
The thing that let the 996RS down more than anything was OPC's themselves. Like any pure bred race car, it is extremely sensitive to geometry changes and the base set up that was specified by Porsche Germany was often not translated by technicians prior to handover. This led to cars behaving exactly as they were set up. When Parr recieved the development car, it was found to be a long way out of the base line spec.
The design team at Porsche saw the sign off of the 6RS as a triumph. It was the closest they had ever come to replicating a racing car on the road before but the costs involved I producing the car and the political fall out from North America ( far too focussed to pass the safety regs ) meant that Porsche will probably never again make a car like it.
Unlike what has been said on here, it doesn't need any spring or damping upgrades to make it a good road car but to optimise its track performance - unsurprisingly - an upgrade is needed.
You don't need to be a engineering genius to put a set up on a 6RS - you just need to know the set up details. I helped to create beautifully balanced set ups from soft to super sharp and full race in these cars and each one was an absolute delight in terms of balance.
In terms of driver skill - unless you are driving a car with a super sharp set up you don't need to be talented to enjoy driving one.
From what I've read on this thread a much misunderstood car. Far from being the worst of the bunch, it is actually probably the very best.
Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 7th June 19:50
I fully agree with your observations, with regard to the GEO setting's from OPCs, and not just the OPCs either. All 3 of my rear wheel steer cars were supplied GEO out, they were very difficult to drive at all speeds.
Whilst I do not entirely agree with the engineering point above, from a price prospective. I can see as to why you feel that the car is undervalued in relation to the market.
If your post above had a different author at the bottom, and had come out a month ago, I am sure that this thread would be along the lines of," have you seen the price of the 6RS now"
APOLO1 said:
contango said:
That dreadful plastic part in the gear shirt linkage is one example....maybe all upgraded now, but it wasn't unusual to see these cars at a track day with a floppy gear lever....
It's true though, this was the era in Porsche history when the accountants got to rule over the engineers to keep costs down.
that's the point I was about/trying to make all the funds were diverted to the 4X4 product. The GT3 was not even on the menu, to start with...It's true though, this was the era in Porsche history when the accountants got to rule over the engineers to keep costs down.
N24 said:
APOLO1 said:
But, do you not feel that making the 991GT3 RS a Turbo, will just move the car into a 991GT2,? Which is not what the RS is about.....In my view
They managed to get buyers to accept auto-only - so a turbo next - well why not. In fact they may as well extend this and add 4WD and a diesel to go with that turbo as buyers will appreciate the driving "safety" of 4WD, and a better range too - well what's not to like...
APOLO1 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
I can understand the reasons to turbo charge the new engine though, when everything is titanium this and titanium that, where else is there to go? Or keep the power the same and just hack more weight off?
It is a shame but unless Porsche move to a carbon tub for the 911, its tough to see what other options there are if they stick with the flat-6 for the road-cars.
pete a said:
AndrewD said:
When did they do an auto-only GT3? Surprise to me, I've been happily shifting my own gears in my 991 GT3 all afternoon
Is a tiptronic 996 or 997 with buttons on the steering wheel an auto or manual?????Same thing, just slicker and quicker, still an auto....
Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
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