Discussion
APOLO1 said:
I can see that you are very passionate about this car, I apologise if any of my comments have offended in any way..
I fully agree with your observations, with regard to the GEO setting's from OPCs, and not just the OPCs either. All 3 of my rear wheel steer cars were supplied GEO out, they were very difficult to drive at all speeds.
Whilst I do not entirely agree with the engineering point above, from a price prospective. I can see as to why you feel that the car is undervalued in relation to the market.
If your post above had a different author at the bottom, and had come out a month ago, I am sure that this thread would be along the lines of," have you seen the price of the 6RS now"
Absolutely none taken Old Chap! In my humblest, Porsche haven't made a bad RS. The absolute joy is that they all have quite different characters and there is a car for every driver's needs. I fully agree with your observations, with regard to the GEO setting's from OPCs, and not just the OPCs either. All 3 of my rear wheel steer cars were supplied GEO out, they were very difficult to drive at all speeds.
Whilst I do not entirely agree with the engineering point above, from a price prospective. I can see as to why you feel that the car is undervalued in relation to the market.
If your post above had a different author at the bottom, and had come out a month ago, I am sure that this thread would be along the lines of," have you seen the price of the 6RS now"
The trick is finding - quite literally these days - the right one for you
AndrewD said:
Of course it's not an auto. Jesus this place. Auto means it changes gear when it wants to. I have to flick a paddle or the sequential lever before it changes, ie it changes when I decide it changes.
Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
Hypothetical question, if you were to take and pass your UK driving test in a 991 GT3, would your subsequent full licence allow you to drive a car with a manual clutch pedal or would you be restricted to driving automatics only?Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
The following is taken from the Driving & Vehicle Standards Agency's Standard Operating Procedure document DC1 which is the driving examiners bible:
6.08 VEHICLES WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
A vehicle with automatic transmission is defined in regulations as `A vehicle in which the gear ratio between the engine and the wheels can be varied only by the use of the accelerator or brakes'. In general a vehicle without a manual clutch is regarded as an automatic.
AndrewD said:
Of course it's not an auto. Jesus this place. Auto means it changes gear when it wants to. I have to flick a paddle or the sequential lever before it changes, ie it changes when I decide it changes.
Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
Hypothetical question, if you were to take and pass your UK driving test in a 991 GT3, would your subsequent full licence allow you to drive a car with a manual clutch pedal or would you be restricted to driving automatics only?Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
The following is taken from the Driving & Vehicle Standards Agency's Standard Operating Procedure document DC1 which is the driving examiners bible:
6.08 VEHICLES WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
A vehicle with automatic transmission is defined in regulations as `A vehicle in which the gear ratio between the engine and the wheels can be varied only by the use of the accelerator or brakes'. In general a vehicle without a manual clutch is regarded as an automatic.
NIgt3 said:
This place is funny!!! We have now someone saying that a pdk is not an automatic gearbox lol
Its amazing how many people get confused with this. Its an automatic.What it has is some buttons that simulate some sort of intervention by the user to give the impression of control. The computer will only allow what it chooses to allow. And overrides the user when certain parameters are not met.
The hilarious irony is that using the PDK with the buttons / paddles is less accurate than the computer and is slower.
Its only function is to give the user a feeling of being in manual control, when they actually are not. Its false.
RDMcG said:
Steve:
I think you have done a great job in educating me for one. Many thanks.
Never having driven one, I will certainly try for as drive when I am jn Europe.
+1, very interesting stuff from Steve, thanks a lot. For some reason I have managed to miss out on driving any 996 gt3 despite having driven most of the rest of the 6 and 7 911 cars. That's a glaring exception i have to try to rectify at some point.I think you have done a great job in educating me for one. Many thanks.
Never having driven one, I will certainly try for as drive when I am jn Europe.
mollytherocker said:
Its amazing how many people get confused with this. Its an automatic.
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It is not a MANual, i.e. when the "man" decides whether to over-rev or not, or labour the engine, or any such things..
I think PDK//DCT has huge scope and will replace manual 99%, if a little less involving for motoring enthusiasts who liked the way it was.
Edited by Mermaid on Saturday 7th June 22:34
Steve Rance said:
Absolutely none taken Old Chap! In my humblest, Porsche haven't made a bad RS. The absolute joy is that they all have quite different characters and there is a car for every driver's needs.
The trick is finding - quite literally these days - the right one for you
Thanks Steve,The trick is finding - quite literally these days - the right one for you
I will get back tomorrow with a substantive response to your earlier questions...Once again I am sure I speak for a few others here, I would like to say thank you for an insight into the 996RS.
pete a said:
So you are saying that a tiptronic with buttons is not an auto either?
That shifts when you tell it too as well.
Where did I mention tiptronic? I'm pretty sure I didn't mention tiptronic. But carry on making up whatever you wish to make up.That shifts when you tell it too as well.
The PDK in the GT3 stays in the gear you selected unless and until you select another one. The argument about how many pedals you press and what levers you do or don't pull is semantics. There is no "illiusion". You are driving in the gear you want to drive in. The car does not decide to change gear for you (ie auto). I could drive along the same road twice in succession at the same speed, in different gears, the difference due to me deciding to shift or not. Really, you think big brother did that? Jesus wept.
stevebu916 said:
AndrewD said:
Of course it's not an auto. Jesus this place. Auto means it changes gear when it wants to. I have to flick a paddle or the sequential lever before it changes, ie it changes when I decide it changes.
Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
Hypothetical question, if you were to take and pass your UK driving test in a 991 GT3, would your subsequent full licence allow you to drive a car with a manual clutch pedal or would you be restricted to driving automatics only?Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
The following is taken from the Driving & Vehicle Standards Agency's Standard Operating Procedure document DC1 which is the driving examiners bible:
6.08 VEHICLES WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
A vehicle with automatic transmission is defined in regulations as `A vehicle in which the gear ratio between the engine and the wheels can be varied only by the use of the accelerator or brakes'. In general a vehicle without a manual clutch is regarded as an automatic.
AndrewD said:
Where did I mention tiptronic? I'm pretty sure I didn't mention tiptronic. But carry on making up whatever you wish to make up.
The PDK in the GT3 stays in the gear you selected unless and until you select another one. The argument about how many pedals you press and what levers you do or don't pull is semantics. There is no "illiusion". You are driving in the gear you want to drive in. The car does not decide to change gear for you (ie auto). I could drive along the same road twice in succession at the same speed, in different gears, the difference due to me deciding to shift or not. Really, you think big brother did that? Jesus wept.
The PDK in the GT3 stays in the gear you selected unless and until you select another one. The argument about how many pedals you press and what levers you do or don't pull is semantics. There is no "illiusion". You are driving in the gear you want to drive in. The car does not decide to change gear for you (ie auto). I could drive along the same road twice in succession at the same speed, in different gears, the difference due to me deciding to shift or not. Really, you think big brother did that? Jesus wept.
s2000db said:
What! Funnier than saying sticking a big wing on a car makes it worth ten times more in ten years time? 
No obviously not that funny lol haha lol!!!!I wonder is my great aunt allowed to drive a 991gt3 on her automatic only license, oh wait obviously not because it's a manual, silly me how funny!!
AndrewD said:
pete a said:
AndrewD said:
When did they do an auto-only GT3? Surprise to me, I've been happily shifting my own gears in my 991 GT3 all afternoon
Is a tiptronic 996 or 997 with buttons on the steering wheel an auto or manual?????Same thing, just slicker and quicker, still an auto....
Anyway, please please don't start an argument about this, you are wrong and i'm not prepared to educate you any further
Tard...
AndrewD said:
Where did I mention tiptronic? I'm pretty sure I didn't mention tiptronic. But carry on making up whatever you wish to make up.
The PDK in the GT3 stays in the gear you selected unless and until you select another one. The argument about how many pedals you press and what levers you do or don't pull is semantics. There is no "illiusion". You are driving in the gear you want to drive in. The car does not decide to change gear for you (ie auto). I could drive along the same road twice in succession at the same speed, in different gears, the difference due to me deciding to shift or not. Really, you think big brother did that? Jesus wept.
This automotive subject splits opinion like no other. I think it comes down to both sides actually talking about different things. The controversial word is of course 'manual'. The PDK in the GT3 stays in the gear you selected unless and until you select another one. The argument about how many pedals you press and what levers you do or don't pull is semantics. There is no "illiusion". You are driving in the gear you want to drive in. The car does not decide to change gear for you (ie auto). I could drive along the same road twice in succession at the same speed, in different gears, the difference due to me deciding to shift or not. Really, you think big brother did that? Jesus wept.
In my world, I am very clear that a computer controlled automated shifting gearbox that has an override option that can be used to manage the gearbox within certain parameters is not manual. Its as manual as sitting in the passenger seat and tapping the driver on the shoulder when you want him to change gear. And he only changes if he sees fit.
You may think differently! And I guess thats up to you.
mollytherocker said:
Its as manual as sitting in the passenger seat and tapping the driver on the shoulder when you want him to change gear. And he only changes if he sees fit.
You may think differently! And I guess thats up to you.
You're clearly still confused between Tiptronic, PDK and PDK-S or are deliberately using invalid analogies to wind people up. Either way it's pretty dull and predictable.You may think differently! And I guess thats up to you.
mollytherocker said:
This automotive subject splits opinion like no other. I think it comes down to both sides actually talking about different things. The controversial word is of course 'manual'.
In my world, I am very clear that a computer controlled automated shifting gearbox that has an override option that can be used to manage the gearbox within certain parameters is not manual. Its as manual as sitting in the passenger seat and tapping the driver on the shoulder when you want him to change gear. And he only changes if he sees fit.
You may think differently! And I guess thats up to you.
Have to say I agree!! The simple way I look at it is a manual car will NEVER change gear EVER by itself, a pdk, pdk-s, pdddk super duper automated Jupiter gearbox all can change gear by themselves!!In my world, I am very clear that a computer controlled automated shifting gearbox that has an override option that can be used to manage the gearbox within certain parameters is not manual. Its as manual as sitting in the passenger seat and tapping the driver on the shoulder when you want him to change gear. And he only changes if he sees fit.
You may think differently! And I guess thats up to you.
sidicks said:
You're clearly still confused between Tiptronic, PDK and PDK-S or are deliberately using invalid analogies to wind people up. Either way it's pretty dull and predictable.
I promise you I mean not to wind anybody up.The three boxes you mention are all automatic. You know they are! In terms of their human operation, there is no difference. You can make reasonable arguments about why you think one is 'better' than the other, but they all are operated the same way. Throttle position, buttons and a computer program.
I just do not understand why some people do not get this simple fact.
You may notice that I have not suggested whether they are good or bad. That is a different discussion.
mollytherocker said:
I promise you I mean not to wind anybody up.
The three boxes you mention are all automatic. You know they are! In terms of their human operation, there is no difference. You can make reasonable arguments about why you think one is 'better' than the other, but they all are operated the same way. Throttle position, buttons and a computer program.
I just do not understand why some people do not get this simple fact.
You may notice that I have not suggested whether they are good or bad. That is a different discussion.
When does PDK-S override the drivers gear decisions?The three boxes you mention are all automatic. You know they are! In terms of their human operation, there is no difference. You can make reasonable arguments about why you think one is 'better' than the other, but they all are operated the same way. Throttle position, buttons and a computer program.
I just do not understand why some people do not get this simple fact.
You may notice that I have not suggested whether they are good or bad. That is a different discussion.
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