Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[mrdemon]

I'll stand up and it is that simple that I don't buy new cars, so resale is quite high up on the list on the cars I buy.

BUT yes they have to drive well, and Microswitch gear changing is not for me in this type of car.

I cannot afford to loose the sort of money normal new cars loose, that's a fact.

If the GT4 is a power pack/club sported GTS then the Cars not for me new.

I am not looking to sell or make money on the car, just want a great drivers car, but one which runs you at 5k PA loss, not 50% of it's value in 3 years.

I think a 3.6 will offer that better resale value in 3 years.

IF money were no object I would be in a 458S and have microswitch for gears :-) nothing much in between floats my boat not even the 991 GT3.

I'll just keep what I have a bit longer.

[mrdemon]

HokumPokum said:

AH, you've never had the CR and/or spyder. And have you had a Gt3 before?

Then it must be difficult to say how much of a difference the R is from the GT3 and that while accomplished the CR is not a Gt3-lite. I am hoping the Cayman GT4 will be a Gt3-lite.

GT3 is the last thing I want it to be like lol

[mrdemon]

Sarnie said:

Porsche Solihull apparently now have 12 Deposits/LOI's.............

that went up fast in a week lol

[mrdemon]

ChrisW. said:

It needs more than that.

It needs 300bhp per tonne ...

well , not going to happen, you still in :-) ?

guess will be 288bhp/ton

[mrdemon]

bound to be leaked shots, it's all about marketing.

today though Porsche need to focus on the 3 cars launched today at the LA show.

"911 Carrera GTS, Cayenne GTS and Panamera Exclusive Series celebrate world premieres
Porsche at the Los Angeles Auto Show with three new models"

press released PDF

http://press.porsche.com/news/pdf/2014/95-LA-Auto-...

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 13th November 11:06

[mrdemon]

[mrdemon]

def better than a GTS rear disk, the front look hughhhhhh

[mrdemon]

seems Dead and only 60days to go on the embargo date. info must come soon

[mrdemon]

As opc's will only get about 3 each for 2015, you have to decide when you want a car.

I am even tempted to move my name from 2nd down the list to 4th keep the R a bit longer and get to see what the GT4 is going to be like.
It's not great buying blind, A: there might be launch issue and recalls, B: you don't get to see one or drive one.

the GT3 is a prime example and the 2nd year had better Crono and kit + working engines fitted at the factory, not OPC fitted engines with rattles !!!

can I wait till 2016, yes if it's a bit Meh. no if it's going to be awesome lol

[mrdemon]

Nurburgsingh said:

I'm willing to bet that there is more than one person that's been told that they are #1 on the list.

35 people will say number one as 35 people will be number 1 at their OPC

how Porsche PUT OPC's in order is any ones guess.

Ie. will a good dealer who sells a lot of GT cars be higher on Porsche list than a OPC who really not interested in GT car sales.

Some OPC def get more cars than others. as an Example Lei got 7 991 GT3's I think and always do well on GT cars.

ie. you could be 4th on Leicester list and get a 2015 car but 3rd on another OPC and get a 2016 car !!

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 5th December 09:46

[mrdemon]

ags11 said:

It's unlikely any of the spec will be "cutting edge" like the gt3, so I wouldn't expect there to be many problems. But who knows!

every single car ever made has production line mods over the course of the car life/build. I don't expect 12 month GT3 style delays !!!

I always say, never buy a new model EVER esp from companies Like Lotus :-p , but most brand new models have updates even if it's just software tweeks.
as the GT4 is 981 based you would hope things are about sorted, but it should have better steering and it's having this new engine.

Electric steering seems to get better with every model/tweek. But I do want and expect more from the GT4 on the steering feel side.
I cannot abide the steering on the 991,Boxster and Cayman atm and the Cayman is the best of the 3.

who wants a dead spot like the early 981 Boxsters !!! I took this vid I was so shocked just how st it was, no wonder the EVO crew still hate it in GTS form in the wet.
http://youtu.be/JXlgfbgdoQ4?list=UUgycWNeP9U0qBXX8...

[mrdemon]

Dr S said:

I can do the same in my 7.2 GT3...

it's f4cked then !!!! or you are just talking bks ;-)

If I move my steering wheel in my R even 1 mm the car moves, that vid the nose was not even moving with all that movement.
But then I also state the R has far better steering than any GT3 ;-)

[mrdemon]

av185 said:

991 GT3 up there with the 458........

it's not though is it ! :-(

[mrdemon]

No Porsche is ever a track car, if people want a track car buy a R and rip it apart and fit some 3 ways.
£50k all in job sorted.

I don't get all the "I want this to be a hard core car" posts I will just be happy with a new R with a 3.6 + more BHP (more than I can tune the R too) and 6 pot brakes.

The R is a great platform if people want a 360BHp 1200kg track car.

the car is out there for the TALKERS already !!!! or do people want turbo's, PDK and more electrics to help them get fast lap times !!!

or buy a "G40R" !!

Porsche make road cars, I'll be driving to work in mine.

Edited by mrdemon on Monday 8th December 09:13

[mrdemon]

I don't like the GTS it's very expensive and will loose you 20k and is really just a Cayman S, it's way over hyped by mags when it is just a Cayman with X73 pack (for the press cars)

I do want a bespoke bigger engine Cayman road car for every day use which is more fun than a GTS and holds better value.

I don't want to mod my R as I have a fully Modded Spyder for weekend and track use, and I am NOT asking for a hard core car.
The R does NOT need modding as a road car bar better pads and geo which mine has.

if people want hardcore Porsche cars the GT3 market has that covered, if people want track cars other manafactures also have that covered.

if people want a hardcore Cayman, make one from a R , the GT4 will never match the R's steering so buy the R now and convert it.

if people want >400bhp buy the 991 GTS

AT the end of the day Porsche only sold 100 Manual R's and as I think it's one of todays best cars for road use, I am shocked only 100 people bought into it.

I don't get the 350 deposits on the GT4 when the R is the best drivers car Porsche have made for years, maybe a lot will pull out when NO PDK is offered ;-)

Edited by mrdemon on Monday 8th December 13:03

[mrdemon]

berty37 said:

Apologies if this has been mentioned already but GT Porsche magazine have the details as 3.6 litre,380BHP with a manual or the GT3 PDK-S box as an option and base price to be 'at least £10k over the GTS' - not that they have any more inside knowledge than anyone here but that was their take.

that does seem the jist of the car. the big one is will they offer a PDK box on the car at all.

[mrdemon]

av185 said:

Who confirmed there are 350 deposits on the GT4??

there Should be NO deposits on the car as it's not real and you cannot put a Deposit on a non real car, Porsche WILL NOT take your money.

now Nickwhale/JCT600 or the likes might take some dodgy deposit and put it in THEIR bank, but it means st and just means you have been fleeced lol.

But there should be about 350 letters on intent as there are way more than 10 per OPC and there are 35 OPC's.
SOme have 14 names down so it's going to be more like 400 peoples names down atm, BUT as we know some people try their luck with more than one OPC and that fudges numbers.

Deposits start on Feb 5th (ish) so we will see who drops out.

[mrdemon]

berty37 said:

Be interested to see the stats of chaps with LOI and or deposits that if the PDK-S were to be offered if that would change the mind of anyone thinking about the manual. 991 GT3 owners say that box is chalk and cheese to the standard PDK box...guess for you tho Mr D that would still make no difference!!

I rather it manual only though so I don't have to choose, but 2 BIG things put me off a GT4, standard Manual 981 gear ratio and electric steering. PDK-S ratio's are shorter and quite appealing if Porsche are stuck in the mud with the same 82mph in 2nd gear stuff.

I won't be taking a PDK car but it would be hard to turn down PDK-S, when I can delite in my Spyder's manual box when ever I feel like it.

[mrdemon]

spyderman8 said:

I don't think the GT4 makes any sense for you MrD given you already have a track car.

I don't own any track cars, all my cars are road cars.

As I stated Porsche are not in the market to be making track cars for the public, the GT4 will be a road car though and though.
I doubt the GT4 will even have adjustable LCA.

Have you been in a 911 CUP race car ? It's a far cry from buying a road car from your OPC touted as a track car !!!

[mrdemon]

DMC2 said:

That is not quite correct. I've owned a Cayman S and now have a CGTS with PASM. The steering has been reworked, as has the geometry and suspension, throttle response and noise. It's is the same as the 997 GTS e.g. it is not the standard car with boxes ticked.

So you think X73 option is different to X73 speced on a Cayman S ? I very much doubt it.
The geo maybe tweeked like it was on the R , but it's not great ,just a slight tweek. will need a re-geo to suit me.
The sound, well there is a lot talked about this fake noise lol.

GTS is not for me at all, I did the VIP test day and it's just a nice car nothing more.
I agree the steering is better than 991,981 Boxster or 981 Cayman S. and livable until you drive a older car then it feels dead.
which is OK if you only have one car, you get used to it , but I don't want to get back in my older car and say it's better, when I have just paid £75k for a "BETTER" car

for me the Hype from the mags on the GTS is over rated, just my opinion.

I don't really want to talk about GTS here though, it upsets people, and I avoid the GTS thread these days because of that.

Edited by mrdemon on Monday 8th December 17:38