IPDs - do they work on N/A - let's find out
Discussion
I read some of your posts about your upgrades and Mr demons and while I'm sure they all great modifications and make you very happy I lose interest when a limited understanding of dyno figures (which have massive variables) is picked apart, however my comment was not directed at that.
I was commenting on your sweeping statement about US/UK tuners and Softronic.
I was commenting on your sweeping statement about US/UK tuners and Softronic.
GT Two said:
I read some of your posts about your upgrades and Mr demons and while I'm sure they all great modifications and make you very happy I lose interest when a limited understanding of dyno figures (which have massive variables) is picked apart, however my comment was not directed at that.
I was commenting on your sweeping statement about US/UK tuners and Softronic.
Well the UK has great specialist who know their stuff, but tuners offering upgrades (apart from remaps, AKA Revo etc) seem a bit thin on the ground.I was commenting on your sweeping statement about US/UK tuners and Softronic.
However I was unaware of Nineexcellence and had a conversation with Ken earlier so good to discover they are looking a lot more into the tuning for all 911's and not just Turbo varients.
Regarding my own modifications and improvements, well I've got before and after dyno's showing gains and so has MrDemond, even more so we both have Vbox numbers showing improvement.
Of course with all things they were not done in a controlled environment so any improvement could be toffee, but like you say the important fact is I am happy with my results and my car.
If I had a 997 c2s I would be going down the route that you have in regards to parts.
Its hard to prove benefit on a dyno and even more so with a Vbox with the small margin gains on a NA car, it does tell you that your car is running well however, and if you are happy with the mods yourself then that's what I would be most concerned with.
I have had experience with Softronic and it was not the best.
Its hard to prove benefit on a dyno and even more so with a Vbox with the small margin gains on a NA car, it does tell you that your car is running well however, and if you are happy with the mods yourself then that's what I would be most concerned with.
I have had experience with Softronic and it was not the best.
Gibbo205 said:
Well the UK has great specialist who know their stuff, but tuners offering upgrades (apart from remaps, AKA Revo etc) seem a bit thin on the ground.
However I was unaware of Nineexcellence and had a conversation with Ken earlier so good to discover they are looking a lot more into the tuning for all 911's and not just Turbo varients.
Add Regal, Parr, JZM, Jazz, Autofarm, Design911, tech9, rpm, 9m, etc etc. Then you've got fvd and Manthey just a short day trip away. I'd say we're pretty well covered for tuners and parts, we just don't shout about it like they do on 6speed.However I was unaware of Nineexcellence and had a conversation with Ken earlier so good to discover they are looking a lot more into the tuning for all 911's and not just Turbo varients.
996TT_STEVO said:
Ken... I'm sure they ran a test about 2/3 years ago on 6speed, it was done same day, basically just a swap over... might want to check!
Steve You are quite right - they ran 5 cars , 4 of which where NA - they had 200 people attend the sessions and they got good results
I fit IPDs to turbo cars and know via vbox they work - I haven't done to NA so I cannot really sell something unless I have confidence.
Greg from IPD was kind enough to offer a free one - actually he offered more as he would prefer to have more cars done on the same day.
It is just that there seems to have been a demand for NA stuff recentlye - it g is easy to know a 3.8 kit will work - not so easy for other stuff and there is still a debate in recent threads , not just on here, as to whether they deliver.
Since we are able to put this sort of thing together with everyone giving their time then it is worth it
I think I know what the vbox will show
I think the fact Greg is willing to send this product over to the UK with the aim of proving it (in the Ronseal sense), with an audience the size of pistonheads and 911uk.com, makes me think he has confidence in the product. Would he really go to this trouble, with the potential fall is sales if he knew it didn't produce the goods
This looks very interesting for 997 owners:-
http://ipdplenums.com/index.php?option=com_content...
http://www.renntrack.com/forums/showthread.php?263...
Theory says that would allow for a lot more air in though airbox would need a better flowing filter and of course with more air in you need to be able to get it out, so manifolds and sports/de-cat would probably be very beneficial.
You know anything more about this motorsport kit Ken?
http://ipdplenums.com/index.php?option=com_content...
http://www.renntrack.com/forums/showthread.php?263...
Theory says that would allow for a lot more air in though airbox would need a better flowing filter and of course with more air in you need to be able to get it out, so manifolds and sports/de-cat would probably be very beneficial.
You know anything more about this motorsport kit Ken?
996ttalot said:
Steve
You are quite right - they ran 5 cars , 4 of which where NA - they had 200 people attend the sessions and they got good results
I fit IPDs to turbo cars and know via vbox they work - I haven't done to NA so I cannot really sell something unless I have confidence.
Greg from IPD was kind enough to offer a free one - actually he offered more as he would prefer to have more cars done on the same day.
It is just that there seems to have been a demand for NA stuff recentlye - it g is easy to know a 3.8 kit will work - not so easy for other stuff and there is still a debate in recent threads , not just on here, as to whether they deliver.
Since we are able to put this sort of thing together with everyone giving their time then it is worth it
I think I know what the vbox will show
Hi Ken,You are quite right - they ran 5 cars , 4 of which where NA - they had 200 people attend the sessions and they got good results
I fit IPDs to turbo cars and know via vbox they work - I haven't done to NA so I cannot really sell something unless I have confidence.
Greg from IPD was kind enough to offer a free one - actually he offered more as he would prefer to have more cars done on the same day.
It is just that there seems to have been a demand for NA stuff recentlye - it g is easy to know a 3.8 kit will work - not so easy for other stuff and there is still a debate in recent threads , not just on here, as to whether they deliver.
Since we are able to put this sort of thing together with everyone giving their time then it is worth it
I think I know what the vbox will show
When do you plan to run the test & on what n/a car?
Ade
996ttalot said:
So there has been much debate on whether fitting an IPD to an NA car will make a difference. I think it is about time someone put it to the test and therefore have brought four parties to the table to resolve this question.
Car 996C4S with no modifications kindly supplied by one of our customers.
68mm IPD supplied by Greg at IPD in the USA - the license holders of the IPD - the original IPD - not a copy - they are supplying this free of charge.
Charlie at SurreyRollingRoad will provide the dyno - on this occasion we will use a dyno in a controlled manner instead of a 60-130 time
We will do the install.
This will take place over the coming weeks and we will update the thread with the results.
No other changes will be made to the car - we will not change throttle body or anything at this stage.
Keep a check on the thread and we will update it as the changes take place.
Ken
Well if you want to trial it on a 997.1 C2S - I'm game as I was thinking of buying one of these anyway! Car 996C4S with no modifications kindly supplied by one of our customers.
68mm IPD supplied by Greg at IPD in the USA - the license holders of the IPD - the original IPD - not a copy - they are supplying this free of charge.
Charlie at SurreyRollingRoad will provide the dyno - on this occasion we will use a dyno in a controlled manner instead of a 60-130 time
We will do the install.
This will take place over the coming weeks and we will update the thread with the results.
No other changes will be made to the car - we will not change throttle body or anything at this stage.
Keep a check on the thread and we will update it as the changes take place.
Ken
MM.
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