Inspection misses clocked car
Discussion
Hugo911 said:
Agree I was lucky, but then one of the reasons I bought from this dealer was his reputation. Paid a fair price for the car initially so he clearly trades on his reputation and hence makes enough money on each car so he can stand by it for future problems.
I can imagine most dealers telling me where to go or blaming me/hand of God!
The good news is not many people seem to have come across clocked cars... Which either is a good thing as there's not many out there... Or a bad thing if people have unknown clocked cars, especially if people "properly" clock cars and leave no discrepancy between dash and ECU.
Well done for sticking with the dealer with a decent rep. I'd heard poor feedback with the one that legged me over but never thought it could be that bad. How wrong I was but hey you live and learn. I can imagine most dealers telling me where to go or blaming me/hand of God!
The good news is not many people seem to have come across clocked cars... Which either is a good thing as there's not many out there... Or a bad thing if people have unknown clocked cars, especially if people "properly" clock cars and leave no discrepancy between dash and ECU.
I'd say the older aircooled cars are susceptible to clocking for sure
Hugo911 said:
davek_964 said:
Which leads to an interesting question.
If the dealer is able to check the mileage against the ECU - how did he originally buy (and sell to you) a clocked car?
THAT my friend is the million dollar question... it shows up nicely on his equipment there is a discrepancy.If the dealer is able to check the mileage against the ECU - how did he originally buy (and sell to you) a clocked car?
Two years ago how he AND the guy who did my £400 inspection (which includes mileage check) did not spot this at the time is what puzzles me!
I have no idea how these things work, whether something is the master and it is replicated to other devices or whether there are some sort of counters that count miles and there is a fault somewhere
m33ufo said:
Curious how the dealer who purchased the car is going to advertise it for resale?
keep it as a courtesy car?sell it as not guaranteed mileage? punt it at auction? trade sale to another trader?
gowmonster said:
keep it as a courtesy car?
sell it as not guaranteed mileage? punt it at auction? trade sale to another trader?
So most likely someone buys it who has no knowledge that it's been clocked. sell it as not guaranteed mileage? punt it at auction? trade sale to another trader?
Would be nice to see the car in question to protect an enthusiast from buying it in the future.
m33ufo said:
gowmonster said:
keep it as a courtesy car?
sell it as not guaranteed mileage? punt it at auction? trade sale to another trader?
So most likely someone buys it who has no knowledge that it's been clocked. sell it as not guaranteed mileage? punt it at auction? trade sale to another trader?
Would be nice to see the car in question to protect an enthusiast from buying it in the future.
They couldn't lose much on 57k miles could they? if it was clocked using digital correction then surely they could do the reverse and set it to whatever the highest count is? would that me illegal?
So I emailed Mr "leading Porsche inspection chap in the UK" and he hasn't even had the decency to respond to a polite email:
Dear <name>
You inspected a car I was purchasing from <dealer>.
The car was a 997.1 Tip, reg <reg>.
I was attempting to sell the car recently and an inspection arranged by the prospective buyer revealed a discrepancy on the mileage. The odometer is showing c7,000 lower mileage than the ECU.
The inspection chap suggested my buyer walk away from this car, as I imagine you would have too as the findings imply the mileage of the car has been tampered with.
<Original dealer> have accepted the car has an issue on the mileage and after some discussion agreed to purchase the car back from me.
As you can imagine I am unhappy that your inspection did not uncover this discrepancy at the time of inspection. I was fortunate that I purchased from <dealer> and they stood by their car, I would clearly have no recourse having purchased the same car privately.
Having discussed this matter on the forums, the consensus is that I should request my inspection cost back from you. I’ve not revealed your name on the forum as providing the original inspection, so my discretion is assured.
I would therefore request that you refund me the amount I paid for the inspection (c£400) as clearly this is something that I would expect the inspection to have picked up.
I await your response.
Dear <name>
You inspected a car I was purchasing from <dealer>.
The car was a 997.1 Tip, reg <reg>.
I was attempting to sell the car recently and an inspection arranged by the prospective buyer revealed a discrepancy on the mileage. The odometer is showing c7,000 lower mileage than the ECU.
The inspection chap suggested my buyer walk away from this car, as I imagine you would have too as the findings imply the mileage of the car has been tampered with.
<Original dealer> have accepted the car has an issue on the mileage and after some discussion agreed to purchase the car back from me.
As you can imagine I am unhappy that your inspection did not uncover this discrepancy at the time of inspection. I was fortunate that I purchased from <dealer> and they stood by their car, I would clearly have no recourse having purchased the same car privately.
Having discussed this matter on the forums, the consensus is that I should request my inspection cost back from you. I’ve not revealed your name on the forum as providing the original inspection, so my discretion is assured.
I would therefore request that you refund me the amount I paid for the inspection (c£400) as clearly this is something that I would expect the inspection to have picked up.
I await your response.
Interesting resurrection as I bought an aircooled Porsche with the "high" mileage of 205k. We are currently doing a backdate on it but inside is solid and apart from A gearbox rebuild it's all original. Funny that almost all aircooled cars have 90-100k on the clock but have had much more thorough restorations needing much much more work. If you scan the ads the lack of variation in the mileage of aircooled cars is laughable.
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