Are there good 911s for £13k? ...
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My trip to work was circa 60mls each way, Targa had no real windnoise at 90mph with roof on, engine noise from cat bypass (Dansk pipe from Northways) is about 102db and is glorious on acceleration, not noticable when cruising. Roof mainly on from Nov to March and off the rest of the time.
ps I MISS THE 964's NOISE IN MY 993TT
ps I MISS THE 964's NOISE IN MY 993TT
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Never had a 3.2 Targa so would'nt presume to comment.
I have a 964 which is a much better and different car by all accounts. If you have a properly fitted Targa Top with none of the front edge protruding above the body work it isnt at all noisy only slightly more so than a Coupe and it doesnt leak.
By the way my cruising speed with roof on was 90mph and without roof 90mph and it was not that Windy and it was my daily driver and I had no problems with the noise at 130mph either.
Being a member of 964 smartgroup, titanic and Rennlist I have never heard one person complain about Wind noise when he was in need of a replacement due to his Targa top being worn out and leaking.
Never had a 3.2 Targa so would'nt presume to comment.
I have a 964 which is a much better and different car by all accounts. If you have a properly fitted Targa Top with none of the front edge protruding above the body work it isnt at all noisy only slightly more so than a Coupe and it doesnt leak.
By the way my cruising speed with roof on was 90mph and without roof 90mph and it was not that Windy and it was my daily driver and I had no problems with the noise at 130mph either.
Being a member of 964 smartgroup, titanic and Rennlist I have never heard one person complain about Wind noise when he was in need of a replacement due to his Targa top being worn out and leaking.
lanesra10 said:
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Never had a 3.2 Targa so would'nt presume to comment.
I have a 964 which is a much better and different car by all accounts. If you have a properly fitted Targa Top with none of the front edge protruding above the body work it isnt at all noisy only slightly more so than a Coupe and it doesnt leak.
By the way my cruising speed with roof on was 90mph and without roof 90mph and it was not that Windy and it was my daily driver and I had no problems with the noise at 130mph either.
Being a member of 964 smartgroup, titanic and Rennlist I have never heard one person complain about Wind noise when he was in need of a replacement due to his Targa top being worn out and leaking.
To my knowledge the Targa top on a 964 is the same as those one every Targa up to that date but I stand to be corrected.
Let's be honest here, we're talking about a relatively unsophisticated metal frame covered in foam and vinyl with a great big thick stitched hem at the front. With all the will in the world you'll never have NONE of that hem sticking up/out. Now you get complaints of wind noise from some hard topped cars so I think that it's pretty understandable that such a crude top as the Porsche Targa, even with the tiniest imperfection in it's fit, will suffer from considerable wind noise.
I understand your desire to defend your car and please believe me when I say that I love the Targa - in theory it's the best compromise of all early Porsches and it annoys me that it's so badly executed - but you can not realistically try to pass it off as being even close to a Coupe when it comes to wind noise - it simply isn't.
I purchased a 1981 911 turbo, rhd 80k miles full histiroy for £13k including private plate. I looked at many 911`s in the 10-15k price range and its porbubly one of the hardest prices to buy at.I found very litle diferance in quality between the 10k -15k price range and a few cars that wern`t worth 5k. Best advice is just keep looking the best bargins are found this time of year.....
who can belive I looked at so many cars then brought one off Ebay with out even seeing it....and so far sooooo good.
who can belive I looked at so many cars then brought one off Ebay with out even seeing it....and so far sooooo good.
For this kind of money, i would not be specific on the targa in a fancy colour with a leary exhaust etc....there are a lot of cars around some good...some less so....
I would buy the best car I could for the money, with respect to condition and history....preferably a coupe in a saleable colour...especially if you are going to own it as a short term proposition.
I would buy the best car I could for the money, with respect to condition and history....preferably a coupe in a saleable colour...especially if you are going to own it as a short term proposition.
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Not defending my car at all its completely not my style. Anyone that knows me from the 964 forums knows I'm totally straight up type of person. Due you honestly believe Porsche would have been able to sell over 4000 964 Targa's costing £50k+ that do 155mph that were noisy at 50 or 70 or 90mph its all down to condition and fitment.
Not defending my car at all its completely not my style. Anyone that knows me from the 964 forums knows I'm totally straight up type of person. Due you honestly believe Porsche would have been able to sell over 4000 964 Targa's costing £50k+ that do 155mph that were noisy at 50 or 70 or 90mph its all down to condition and fitment.
lanesra10 said:
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Not defending my car at all its completely not my style. Anyone that knows me from the 964 forums knows I'm totally straight up type of person. Due you honestly believe Porsche would have been able to sell over 4000 964 Targa's costing £50k+ that do 155mph that were noisy at 50 or 70 or 90mph its all down to condition and fitment.
Yes they did and no it's not.
I am assuming that you mean 4000 world wide. In which case, many would have spent their lives with the roof mostly off.
Anyway, rather than keep batting this backward and forward and further hijacking the thread why don't I start a new thread and get a concensus of opinion?
clubsport said:
For this kind of money, i would not be specific on the targa in a fancy colour with a leary exhaust etc....there are a lot of cars around some good...some less so....
I would buy the best car I could for the money, with respect to condition and history....preferably a coupe in a saleable colour...especially if you are going to own it as a short term proposition.
No, I realise that, so am quite open to coupe v Targa, but have since found out that the Coupe seems to be more rare and more expensive than the Targa. standard exhaust is fine as i can always play with that ... and i hear what you say about a resaleable colour (re-sale red on Ferraris) ... but i'm the sort of person that buys a yellow Ferrari
Seriously, if the car was right then I would put up with a sensible colour and if I get well and truly bitten by the dark side, then I can always save the Cup Blue or Speed Yellow for the next one which would probably be a 993 TT.
Thanks for all the guidance so far guys.
Am on a bit of a downer as the Ferrari went today ... good job I've got V.Max to look forward to tomorrow!
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If you're hell bent on getting a 911, I'd recommend the most expensive you could possibly buy - if you skimp now, chances are you could be landed with expensive bills come service time.
If you're not hell bent on getting a 911, I'd recommend a 944 Turbo SE (250BHP) or a Turbo Cab. Maybe even a 928GT - these are manual gearbox only cars, and should hold their value rather well. They are perfect for cross-continental touring and come equipped with almost everything.
If you're hell bent on getting a 911, I'd recommend the most expensive you could possibly buy - if you skimp now, chances are you could be landed with expensive bills come service time.
If you're not hell bent on getting a 911, I'd recommend a 944 Turbo SE (250BHP) or a Turbo Cab. Maybe even a 928GT - these are manual gearbox only cars, and should hold their value rather well. They are perfect for cross-continental touring and come equipped with almost everything.
iain_cam said:
If you're hell bent on getting a 911, I'd recommend the most expensive you could possibly buy
This suggests that a raggy 993 would be a safer proposition than a well sorted 3.2 Carrera which I'm sure you don't mean.
The advice should be to get the best 911 you could possibly buy.
Have been scouring the classifieds and chatted to a few of the guys at V.max today i am still pretty certain it is a 911 that will fill my need best. The 968 was mentioned, especially the Turbo which is regarded as the best kept Turbo secret Porsche has. I do like the shape of the 968, and if i wanted one as an every day car i would seriously consider it... but this is my weekend fun car and as such, has to have that little bit of the exotic about it ... it has to make me just simply want to go and look at it in the garage ... it has to shout character and presence. Does any of that make sense?
Again, I have always loved 928s, but they look just too sensible and are too big really to class as a sunday chuck about ... fantastic performance though they undoubtedly have.
One of the guys even suggested a BMW M Coupe. Again, great cars, go like stink and handle brill, but, it has the same generic interior as a Z3, or any other BM. It doesn't shout passion.
One of the guys who posted earlier has a lovely 911 for sale and everything looked right, beautiful car, great colour, but just too high on mileage... i know, it isn't everything, but I MUST be able to sell it again in 6 or 12 months when I get the next proper money car.
Have at least decided that, even though it doesn't have a fixed spoiler, I would prefer a 964 than a 3.2 Carrera. (all dependent on condition of course).
There was one model that suffered from the main seal leaking once it had some miles on. Which was it? It may have even been the later water cooled engines?
Once again, thanks for your time guys.
Again, I have always loved 928s, but they look just too sensible and are too big really to class as a sunday chuck about ... fantastic performance though they undoubtedly have.
One of the guys even suggested a BMW M Coupe. Again, great cars, go like stink and handle brill, but, it has the same generic interior as a Z3, or any other BM. It doesn't shout passion.
One of the guys who posted earlier has a lovely 911 for sale and everything looked right, beautiful car, great colour, but just too high on mileage... i know, it isn't everything, but I MUST be able to sell it again in 6 or 12 months when I get the next proper money car.
Have at least decided that, even though it doesn't have a fixed spoiler, I would prefer a 964 than a 3.2 Carrera. (all dependent on condition of course).
There was one model that suffered from the main seal leaking once it had some miles on. Which was it? It may have even been the later water cooled engines?
Once again, thanks for your time guys.
Pre '93 964s suffered from an unreliable flywheel which would normally have been replaced with a clutch by now but check that. Also, earlier 964s had some oil leakage issues so also should be checked. If you get a good 964 it will serve you well but if you buy badly you'll end up with a money pit so beware. In any case, a 964 is unlikely to be as robust as a 3.2 and will certainly cost more to keep - just ask any specialist the standard service cost for each.
I believe that you will also find a 3.2 easier to get rid of - they seem to be more desired as they are the last of the original car, in the same way that the 993 is desired for being the last of the air cooled cars.
964s are lovely cars, I really like the way they look and sound and have nearly bought one on two occasions and may buy one yet so I'm not saying don't get one. I'm just pointing out the pitfalls.
I believe that you will also find a 3.2 easier to get rid of - they seem to be more desired as they are the last of the original car, in the same way that the 993 is desired for being the last of the air cooled cars.
964s are lovely cars, I really like the way they look and sound and have nearly bought one on two occasions and may buy one yet so I'm not saying don't get one. I'm just pointing out the pitfalls.
If you want one for fun and then to be able to sell on, I think that Iain's correct. In your position, I'd look for an RHD G50 'boxed non-sport coupe in a contemporary colour (e.g. silver or other dark metallic) with a leather interior. Mileage not far into 6 figures. The PCGB club mag - Porsche Post - is a good place to look for a pampered car that may have been priced too optimistically in the summer and will now still be for sale, perhaps at a more realistic price. A quick scan of October's issue shows several candidates, priced at around £13k (but not clear how many are non-sport, FWIW)
This sort of car is what I'd argue that enthusiasts will be looking for in the future.
This sort of car is what I'd argue that enthusiasts will be looking for in the future.
rubystone said:
, I'd look for an RHD G50 'boxed non-sport coupe
Sorry, you have lost me a bit there... I'm still learning the Porsche lingo ... G50 boxed non-sport?
On another issue, does anyone know this white 964 C4 that is in the classifieds. Looks reasonable on the surface. are the early 4WD 964s ok?
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>> Edited by burriana on Monday 21st November 11:13
Porsche introduced a hydraulic clutch and uprated gearbox with oil cooler on 1986 model year 911 Carreras - this 'box is known as the G50 and is stronger than the 915 cable operated 'box that it replaced. (FWIW, some 915 boxed cars had a gearbox oil cooler too - my 3.2 did, for instance). The action and throw are generally better than a 915, although a nicely set up 915 is a joy to use, especially with a short shift kit.
Sticking my neck out here - I'd say that you ought to steer clear of a white 964 C4 because it's white and it's a C4. I can only comment on my own experience, which is that all 964 C4s that I have driven understeered markedly. Ducks head below parapet....
Sticking my neck out here - I'd say that you ought to steer clear of a white 964 C4 because it's white and it's a C4. I can only comment on my own experience, which is that all 964 C4s that I have driven understeered markedly. Ducks head below parapet....
burriana said:
Sorry, you have lost me a bit there... I'm still learning the Porsche lingo ... G50 boxed non-sport?
On another issue, does anyone know this white 964 C4 that is in the classifieds. Looks reasonable on the surface. are the early 4WD 964s ok?
G50 is the later gearbox, shorter throw. From about 1987-88 onwards.
Non-sport means not the sport model; I think the sport model came with a whale tail as standard. The standard carrera didn't. Not massively up on 3.2s so maybe someone can confirm.
4wd is more complicated than 2wd and all 964s are old-ish now. Make sure it has been well maintained and sympathetically owned and you should be fine. My friend Scottster had an early 964 C4 that was absolutely fine to run and own. And good fun around the 'ring.
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