RE: Porsche launches 911 Turbo
Discussion
kingb said:
still just a 911. i cant get excited by them. sorry
Get a life mate "just a 911" The 911 is an icon end of story, others try and follow.
No other car for the money/build quality will outclass a 911 Turbo. Its the Daddy!!
The new one looks awesome, 0 TO 60 in 3.7s Where that Ferrari gone
Looks are questionable. The standard car looks so much nicer, which was the opposite with the phase one 996's vs the Turbo look.
Looks fussy and like it's riding too high.
Sure it'll grow on me, but it's not got me in a mild frenzy of wanting to see it being ragged around a track like the 996 Turbo was round millbrooke by Tiff back on the old TG!
Just a bit boring to be honest.
Looking forward to the GT3 more, if it doesn't look any more Halfords than the Turbo anyway!
Dave
Looks fussy and like it's riding too high.
Sure it'll grow on me, but it's not got me in a mild frenzy of wanting to see it being ragged around a track like the 996 Turbo was round millbrooke by Tiff back on the old TG!
Just a bit boring to be honest.
Looking forward to the GT3 more, if it doesn't look any more Halfords than the Turbo anyway!
Dave
the pits said:
Great, they can get it's turbo vanes to move but they still won't move the engine ahead of the rear axle! Until they do that the 911 will always have too much rear overhang (and consequently front overhang to balance it up). I don't know why, but the standard 997 with the cool wheels looks better to me (it's the best eggy rear engined thing yet).
The 911 turbo is the most eccentric mix of high tech and outdated thinking on the road. I also think it's typically conservatively styled. When will Porsche let their hair down? I still haven't forgiven them for what they did to the Boxster prototype when they turned it into a road car. I thought Porsches were supposed to be dream cars? They're certainly priced like them.
There's letting your hair down as you "quote" and there is the concept of why change it if its not broken?
People that slag 911's/Ferrari's and even Aston Martins for that matter to me may be slightly on the Jealous side, end of story. Hence they end up with glorified British kit cars which may make lots of noise and have lots of go, albeit spend most of their time in the garage (Not of the residential kind)
ED965 said:
still just a 911. i cant get excited by them. sorry
Get a life mate "just a 911" The 911 is an icon end of story, others try and follow.
No other car for the money/build quality will outclass a 911 Turbo. Its the Daddy!!
The new one looks awesome, 0 TO 60 in 3.7s Where that Ferrari gone
What is this insane obsession with 0-60 times. It is completely meaningless in the real world. 0-100mph gives a better indication or standing 1/4 (0 - 400mtrs)or better still 0 - 1000 mtrs time and terminal speed. Take what you know to be really quick and then compare. That really sorts the men etc.. As an indication the new M5 was 0.5secs quicker to 1000mtrs than the new Viper.
Mr Whippy said:
Looks are questionable. The standard car looks so much nicer, which was the opposite with the phase one 996's vs the Turbo look.
Looks fussy and like it's riding too high.
Sure it'll grow on me, but it's not got me in a mild frenzy of wanting to see it being ragged around a track like the 996 Turbo was round millbrooke by Tiff back on the old TG!
Just a bit boring to be honest.
Looking forward to the GT3 more, if it doesn't look any more Halfords than the Turbo anyway!
Dave
....then you haven't seen this (taken from another thread here)....
www.porsche.com/uk/
the pits said:
I just hope that the dude with the Fiesta gets the Ultima with the big v8 that's parked in his dream garage and that one day, he flies past your Porsche convertible so quick that it removes your unrealistic hairpiece!
He will definitely fly past you when you’re by the side of the road broken down in your TVR.
ED965 said:
Great, they can get it's turbo vanes to move but they still won't move the engine ahead of the rear axle! Until they do that the 911 will always have too much rear overhang (and consequently front overhang to balance it up). I don't know why, but the standard 997 with the cool wheels looks better to me (it's the best eggy rear engined thing yet).
The 911 turbo is the most eccentric mix of high tech and outdated thinking on the road. I also think it's typically conservatively styled. When will Porsche let their hair down? I still haven't forgiven them for what they did to the Boxster prototype when they turned it into a road car. I thought Porsches were supposed to be dream cars? They're certainly priced like them.
There's letting your hair down as you "quote" and there is the concept of why change it if its not broken?
People that slag 911's/Ferrari's and even Aston Martins for that matter to me may be slightly on the Jealous side, end of story. Hence they end up with glorified British kit cars which may make lots of noise and have lots of go, albeit spend most of their time in the garage (Not of the residential kind)
By definition........
kit car
kit car (plural kit cars)
noun
Definitions:
car assembled by owner: a car, especially a sports car, assembled by the owner from a set of prefabricated parts supplied by the manufacturer
Not quite then
Why can't people admit that 'different' cars please 'different' people.
The 997 Turbo will be a brilliant car, without question. However, it will for some people lack 'drivers' appeal. TVR's, however, have this in abundance. I suspect most people from marques such as TVR/Noble/Marcus, would not see the Turbo as the model they would like to own, and would be swayed towards GT2/GT3's.
Vice Versa, Turbo owners would probably never look at TVR's as what they offer is not what they are after, IMO.
What lovely people over here on the Porsche forum. I'd keep the insults to yourselves for a while fellas, you're just proving what the rest of the world thinks about Porsche owners is true.
Porsche have themselves being trying to kill the 911 since the 70's. That's really all you need to know. They've since given up because popular demand (ie vain dickheads with no taste or knowledge about cars or engineering who think a 'porshay' key fob can get their under endowed genitals a bit more action) has insisted upon it against the very wishes of the people who make them. If any of you actually drove your cars properly you'd crash.
Someone had his, God forbid, view that he didn't like the 997 turbo pissed on - because (and if you're waiting for any sign of intelligent reasoning you'll be disappointed) - he drove a Ford which presumably, from the lofty heights of pompous knob german car ownership or 'sumfink i fink i red in ve broshure or sumfink' is somehow laughable.
I could tell you that I bought a Ferrari 355 (another car the ignorant seem to think is any good), regrettably I bought it from new, and in my opinion the TVR Sagaris (even more laughable than a fiesta apparently) is hugely better dynamically and much more enjoyable car to drive, not to mention much, much faster. But that would be stooping to your level and taking the bait. But it would be refreshing for someone on this forum to use another argument besides the tired 'look what's on this guy's forum how funny' line.
I've driven quite a few 911's and try as I might, I just can't get past the arse heavy handling. It just feels wrong and ruins the enjoyment of a great road for me. I find it incredible that more people don't feel it too but as mentioned I don't think many 911 owners can actually change gear let alone drive fast - hence the popularity of the ghastly tiptronic 'box.
I understand that 911s are well made, practical, discreet (in London), can do high mileages, have a international dealer network and a reputation for low depreciation (myth). I also understand that these things all contribute to the car's huge popularity. But the same key strengths apply to a Golf tdi. In reality there's no logical reason to buy an expensive very fast car. All you have left are emotional reasons, after all spending more than 10k on a car is close to madness. I can only sign the big cheque when overcome by wide-eyed 10yr old car lust and after an intensely rewarding drive. And I get neither from any 911 I've yet driven.
Do you lot have any idea how good the likes of Lotus and TVR would be right now if they had the amount of money you send over to Germany every year?! We have the best motor engineers in the world in the UK. The Sagaris is a revelation for the development budget, the Noble and the Lotus Elise platform are also world class in many areas. It's constantly a shame that they don't recieve more domestic support. Not for the cars they do make but the cars they could make. You might like to think about that before ridiculing someone who has chosen to buy a TVR from new.
Porsche have themselves being trying to kill the 911 since the 70's. That's really all you need to know. They've since given up because popular demand (ie vain dickheads with no taste or knowledge about cars or engineering who think a 'porshay' key fob can get their under endowed genitals a bit more action) has insisted upon it against the very wishes of the people who make them. If any of you actually drove your cars properly you'd crash.
Someone had his, God forbid, view that he didn't like the 997 turbo pissed on - because (and if you're waiting for any sign of intelligent reasoning you'll be disappointed) - he drove a Ford which presumably, from the lofty heights of pompous knob german car ownership or 'sumfink i fink i red in ve broshure or sumfink' is somehow laughable.
I could tell you that I bought a Ferrari 355 (another car the ignorant seem to think is any good), regrettably I bought it from new, and in my opinion the TVR Sagaris (even more laughable than a fiesta apparently) is hugely better dynamically and much more enjoyable car to drive, not to mention much, much faster. But that would be stooping to your level and taking the bait. But it would be refreshing for someone on this forum to use another argument besides the tired 'look what's on this guy's forum how funny' line.
I've driven quite a few 911's and try as I might, I just can't get past the arse heavy handling. It just feels wrong and ruins the enjoyment of a great road for me. I find it incredible that more people don't feel it too but as mentioned I don't think many 911 owners can actually change gear let alone drive fast - hence the popularity of the ghastly tiptronic 'box.
I understand that 911s are well made, practical, discreet (in London), can do high mileages, have a international dealer network and a reputation for low depreciation (myth). I also understand that these things all contribute to the car's huge popularity. But the same key strengths apply to a Golf tdi. In reality there's no logical reason to buy an expensive very fast car. All you have left are emotional reasons, after all spending more than 10k on a car is close to madness. I can only sign the big cheque when overcome by wide-eyed 10yr old car lust and after an intensely rewarding drive. And I get neither from any 911 I've yet driven.
Do you lot have any idea how good the likes of Lotus and TVR would be right now if they had the amount of money you send over to Germany every year?! We have the best motor engineers in the world in the UK. The Sagaris is a revelation for the development budget, the Noble and the Lotus Elise platform are also world class in many areas. It's constantly a shame that they don't recieve more domestic support. Not for the cars they do make but the cars they could make. You might like to think about that before ridiculing someone who has chosen to buy a TVR from new.
Finally an automatic that's quicker than a human, I've never understood why that hasn't happened before...
"The new 911 Turbo with six-speed manual transmission takes just 3.9 seconds for the standard sprint from zero to 62mph (100kph). The optional Tiptronic S automatic transmission is even faster. It powers from zero to 62mph in just 3.7 seconds and 125mph in 12.2 seconds, and is more economical. Both transmission variants have a top speed of 194mph."
J.
"The new 911 Turbo with six-speed manual transmission takes just 3.9 seconds for the standard sprint from zero to 62mph (100kph). The optional Tiptronic S automatic transmission is even faster. It powers from zero to 62mph in just 3.7 seconds and 125mph in 12.2 seconds, and is more economical. Both transmission variants have a top speed of 194mph."
J.
maximm said:
I cant believe what I am hearing from the pits?!?! He is busy stereotyping Porsche drivers but having looked at his list of previous and current cars he is a typical pr*ck who reckons he is into "drivers cars" but the harsh reality is that they are hunks of crap that he buys to make himself feel better about not being able to buy the cars he wants.....TVR Sagaris...ha ha don't make me laugh.
sorry to say but the Sagaris would make mincemeat of a 996 turbo, and from the looks of it wouldnt have too much trouble been right up there with a 997 either, it also looks a lot better and costs 1/2 as much, im not getting involved in arguements but perhaps its him thats having the laugh seeing as he paid 1/2 as much for a car that looks nicer and is just as fast.
yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn........anyway, where were we...oh yes, the 997 turbo. Looks to become car of the year yet again I predict when it's been around for the first year.
Can't wait to see what the X50 (or equivalent) performance pack will deliver. Should be good for, maybe 550bhp and 700nm torque?
Can't wait to see what the X50 (or equivalent) performance pack will deliver. Should be good for, maybe 550bhp and 700nm torque?
Yam........ said:
sorry to say but the Sagaris would make mincemeat of a 996 turbo
I'm afraid that having reliably thrashed the crap out of my 996 turbo (and various mercs) extensively all over Europe, whilst at the same time seeing too many cars from more specialist manufacturers coming home on low loaders, there is not a hope in hell I'd consider buying a Sagaris even though the handling is supposed to be exceptional.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Monday 13th February 16:06
The pitts just sounds so bitter about the whole thing though, i never slagged off his beloved TVR's once. They might not be a bad car if they didnt look like they might fall to pieces after 5 years and being unreliable(that may be different in the new ones) and he just pointed out thats because we keep buying german cars. So hay i take full responsibility for it. Maybe one day they may be regarded as half the cars Porsche/Merc/aston/Bmw/skoda/lada are.
[quote=YamR1,V64motion]
sorry to say but the Sagaris would make mincemeat of a 996 turbo, and from the looks of it wouldnt have too much trouble been right up there with a 997 either, it also looks a lot better and costs 1/2 as much, im not getting involved in arguements but perhaps its him thats having the laugh seeing as he paid 1/2 as much for a car that looks nicer and is just as fast.[/quote]
.....and my ZX12R would make mincemeat of your R1
maximm said:
I cant believe what I am hearing from the pits?!?! He is busy stereotyping Porsche drivers but having looked at his list of previous and current cars he is a typical pr*ck who reckons he is into "drivers cars" but the harsh reality is that they are hunks of crap that he buys to make himself feel better about not being able to buy the cars he wants.....TVR Sagaris...ha ha don't make me laugh.
sorry to say but the Sagaris would make mincemeat of a 996 turbo, and from the looks of it wouldnt have too much trouble been right up there with a 997 either, it also looks a lot better and costs 1/2 as much, im not getting involved in arguements but perhaps its him thats having the laugh seeing as he paid 1/2 as much for a car that looks nicer and is just as fast.[/quote]
.....and my ZX12R would make mincemeat of your R1
Its pointless trying to use the "if the British car industry had more money it would be better" argument. The basic fact is that Japan and Germany have the worlds biggest car industries because they are better at it than us.
My brother had a Lotus elise and it was the worst car he ever had: no room, unreliable, impractical, noisy (in a bad way) and, despite what Lotus drivers say, pretty uninspiring handling. The exige is much better.
I don't really think you can put any TVR in the same league as a Porsche....I don't have one personally but there is a reason why the 911 is car of the year, in most publications and surveys, for a reason...
Cant remeber seeing a TVR at the top of any list except the Green Flag "most helped at roadside" survey.
My brother had a Lotus elise and it was the worst car he ever had: no room, unreliable, impractical, noisy (in a bad way) and, despite what Lotus drivers say, pretty uninspiring handling. The exige is much better.
I don't really think you can put any TVR in the same league as a Porsche....I don't have one personally but there is a reason why the 911 is car of the year, in most publications and surveys, for a reason...
Cant remeber seeing a TVR at the top of any list except the Green Flag "most helped at roadside" survey.
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