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I had exactly the same problem on my 9934s. It was the battery, but once this had been replaced it had knackered the P1000 immobiliser. I had to remove the motherboard and send the stuff back to the company in Kent who pthem all, and from there everything was fine and dandy.
If it turns out to be the same let me know and I'll send on the details
If it turns out to be the same let me know and I'll send on the details
Thanks again for the replies.
He's shipping it up to Belfast this evening so I'm trying nax effort here to try and find a way for him to start the car so he won't have to pay transport charges.(it's going up for it's annual today anyway)
Is there a recognised method of changing batteries (that he may not have followed) to make sure that the immobiliser goes off line when the new battery is fitted?.... He thinks that the key in the engine bay is only for stopping the alarm siren , nothing to do with the immob.
He's shipping it up to Belfast this evening so I'm trying nax effort here to try and find a way for him to start the car so he won't have to pay transport charges.(it's going up for it's annual today anyway)
Is there a recognised method of changing batteries (that he may not have followed) to make sure that the immobiliser goes off line when the new battery is fitted?.... He thinks that the key in the engine bay is only for stopping the alarm siren , nothing to do with the immob.
Umm, don't like to be simplistic here, but have you tried the good old bump start idea? Someone suggested it earlier, but it didn't get much of a response.
Treating this as any other car, if it won't start, find out why - it could be an immobiliser, battery, or starter.
Trun the headlights on - do they work? Do they dim if/when you try and start it? If they do, it could well be battery or poor earth strap. If they don't, it could be immobiliser or starter. Try tapping the starter motor firmly with a small hammer (or wheelbrace) - this may get it going if the starter is on it's last legs and has a duff segment. Alternatively, try a bump start, as this will take the whole starter/solenoid/wiring problem out of the equation.
Take the solenoid connection off the starter and see whether it is going 'high' when you try and start it. If it is not, then you have a problem with your immobiliser or starter switch.
If this is so, and if you can, bypass the immobiliser (not hard, just have to be good at following wiring). Or simply connect the battery +ve to the solenoid connection on the starter. If this makes it turn over, you definately have a wiring/immobiliser problem. (Note - if you do this, it probably won't run as the immobiliser will cut other circuits as well.)
Be methodical, and you will find the problem, and save the cash in having the vehicle transported. It's worth a try ... my 944 packed up in exactly this way about 3 months ago. 20 minutes investigation with a multimeter and small screwdriver, and I had the problem diagnosed and fixed. (And this was at Sunningale station, in a suit, in a hurry. I reckoned that fixing it myself was quicker than waiting 90 minutes for the RAC - and was right.)
Oli.
Treating this as any other car, if it won't start, find out why - it could be an immobiliser, battery, or starter.
Trun the headlights on - do they work? Do they dim if/when you try and start it? If they do, it could well be battery or poor earth strap. If they don't, it could be immobiliser or starter. Try tapping the starter motor firmly with a small hammer (or wheelbrace) - this may get it going if the starter is on it's last legs and has a duff segment. Alternatively, try a bump start, as this will take the whole starter/solenoid/wiring problem out of the equation.
Take the solenoid connection off the starter and see whether it is going 'high' when you try and start it. If it is not, then you have a problem with your immobiliser or starter switch.
If this is so, and if you can, bypass the immobiliser (not hard, just have to be good at following wiring). Or simply connect the battery +ve to the solenoid connection on the starter. If this makes it turn over, you definately have a wiring/immobiliser problem. (Note - if you do this, it probably won't run as the immobiliser will cut other circuits as well.)
Be methodical, and you will find the problem, and save the cash in having the vehicle transported. It's worth a try ... my 944 packed up in exactly this way about 3 months ago. 20 minutes investigation with a multimeter and small screwdriver, and I had the problem diagnosed and fixed. (And this was at Sunningale station, in a suit, in a hurry. I reckoned that fixing it myself was quicker than waiting 90 minutes for the RAC - and was right.)
Oli.
Ta , I'll pass all this on .. I asked him this morning if he had an ammeter .. No.. (He's not one of the bearded 993 types!!).. So the chances of him diagnosing the problem are small , but I was hoping there was a slim chance of something simple , ie that he hadn't put the new battery in , in accordance with the manual.
He's already tried the bump start ...
When changing battery , do you have to leave the key in position one on the ignition??
He's already tried the bump start ...
When changing battery , do you have to leave the key in position one on the ignition??
No just put the battery in. He could try disconnecting the -ve terminal for an hour - that might reset it, but it didn't work with mine
If it is the immobilisor and its a P1000 alarm, this might be useful. When I tried to open or start the car the alarm went off. Ignition lights came on but no cranking.
(The key does silence the sounder but nothing else)
If this is the case and he has the red alarm masterkey fob it may be possible to reset it. Ring Hamilton and Palmer in Kent - they put most / all of them in the cars and can be contacted on 01732 760022 and may be able to talk him through it
If he doesn't have the red key he will need to dig out the motherboard and send it with the existing black fobs back to them for resetting. Its not difficult but will take a week or two to sort out
pm me if he wants to talk about it
james
If it is the immobilisor and its a P1000 alarm, this might be useful. When I tried to open or start the car the alarm went off. Ignition lights came on but no cranking.
(The key does silence the sounder but nothing else)
If this is the case and he has the red alarm masterkey fob it may be possible to reset it. Ring Hamilton and Palmer in Kent - they put most / all of them in the cars and can be contacted on 01732 760022 and may be able to talk him through it
If he doesn't have the red key he will need to dig out the motherboard and send it with the existing black fobs back to them for resetting. Its not difficult but will take a week or two to sort out
pm me if he wants to talk about it
james
Edited by james s on Wednesday 19th July 11:26
Thanks Mot .. It's out of his hands at this atage .. He's trailered it up to Belfast OPC (Who have always treated me really well so I'm sure it's in good hands..)
He did give H and P a ring (Thanks again James) this afternoon , and , yes , you were right , it failed a test they put it through and he's going to have to get a new motherboard .. He's still puzzled as to what blew the board in the first place.. I'll let y'all know when he gets the car back..
He did give H and P a ring (Thanks again James) this afternoon , and , yes , you were right , it failed a test they put it through and he's going to have to get a new motherboard .. He's still puzzled as to what blew the board in the first place.. I'll let y'all know when he gets the car back..
Sorry if I'm boring anyone by doing a Frankenstein on this thread again but my pal says HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
Brief update ... Car won't start , alarm goes off , we all reckon it's the immobiliser.
So it's carted off to the OPC where they put in the new motherboard after diagnosing an immobiliser fault , and all is good.
Well no actually , the bloody car is still refusing to start. It's sitting in the OPC the guys are going thru wiring looms , and admittedly scratching their heads .. All the time the money clock is ticking.
Ideas , oh learned ones??
Brief update ... Car won't start , alarm goes off , we all reckon it's the immobiliser.
So it's carted off to the OPC where they put in the new motherboard after diagnosing an immobiliser fault , and all is good.
Well no actually , the bloody car is still refusing to start. It's sitting in the OPC the guys are going thru wiring looms , and admittedly scratching their heads .. All the time the money clock is ticking.
Ideas , oh learned ones??
ballcock said:
Sorry if I'm boring anyone by doing a Frankenstein on this thread again but my pal says HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
Brief update ... Car won't start , alarm goes off , we all reckon it's the immobiliser.
So it's carted off to the OPC where they put in the new motherboard after diagnosing an immobiliser fault , and all is good.
Well no actually , the bloody car is still refusing to start. It's sitting in the OPC the guys are going thru wiring looms , and admittedly scratching their heads .. All the time the money clock is ticking.
Ideas , oh learned ones??
Brief update ... Car won't start , alarm goes off , we all reckon it's the immobiliser.
So it's carted off to the OPC where they put in the new motherboard after diagnosing an immobiliser fault , and all is good.
Well no actually , the bloody car is still refusing to start. It's sitting in the OPC the guys are going thru wiring looms , and admittedly scratching their heads .. All the time the money clock is ticking.
Ideas , oh learned ones??
How far is he prepared to bend over? Oh why can't there be a decent independent in Ireland!
cyberface said:
My money's on a duff battery. Once the battery in a 993 starts to go, it goes fast. Flat batteries can play funny buggers with the standard-fit immobiliser as well.
Usually all you need is a nice fresh *quality* battery (think Bosch silverline rather than Halfords 'calcium') and you're away...
Usually all you need is a nice fresh *quality* battery (think Bosch silverline rather than Halfords 'calcium') and you're away...
Absolutely agree, esp. if the car isn't used that often.
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