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Youforreal.

456 posts

6 months

Saturday 20th January
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Glad your new ventures are working out for you too :-)

Ed.Neumann

474 posts

10 months

Saturday 20th January
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HoHoHo said:
That’s me.

I went from an F10 M5 to an X5 50d to and F90 M5 to a 4S Cross Turismo to a GTS Soort Turismo, you’ve got a good memory!

I’ve not posted much at all for a couple of years. Covid shut my business down and I was hit pretty hard mentally.

I kept going during the 18 months we were shut down starting two new successful ventures but I needed a break from PH and other social media, at the time my attitude would have been seen as someone who thought the cure was worse than the disease!

I’m now here probably annoying non-Taycan owners who wish I’d F-Off back where I came from hehe
Good to hear you are doing OK again now.


I was in the same position too. Cost me a quarter of a million in savings and loans. Shocking handling of the whole thing and worse was how so many just thought we should not moan about it.

HoHoHo

15,013 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st January
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Ed.Neumann said:
HoHoHo said:
That’s me.

I went from an F10 M5 to an X5 50d to and F90 M5 to a 4S Cross Turismo to a GTS Soort Turismo, you’ve got a good memory!

I’ve not posted much at all for a couple of years. Covid shut my business down and I was hit pretty hard mentally.

I kept going during the 18 months we were shut down starting two new successful ventures but I needed a break from PH and other social media, at the time my attitude would have been seen as someone who thought the cure was worse than the disease!

I’m now here probably annoying non-Taycan owners who wish I’d F-Off back where I came from hehe
Good to hear you are doing OK again now.


I was in the same position too. Cost me a quarter of a million in savings and loans. Shocking handling of the whole thing and worse was how so many just thought we should not moan about it.
Thanks.

Glad to be back thumbup

DMC2

1,842 posts

213 months

Sunday 21st January
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GTS440 said:
finmac said:
Great post - thanks

Interestingly, I stopped in my ICE car at a service station today while out for a drive. I parked opposite a row of smart chargers. Guy rocks up in a Black Taycan Turbo S with privacy and black rims - stunning looking car incidently (a real stealth bomber vibe!). It’s pouring rain so he gets out, opens a brolley and plugs it in and walks away, 5 min later he’s back as there’s clearly a problem, so he messes around then unplugs and backs the car out and into another different bay…. a bit of a faff but I guess mostly the chargers work ok when you rock up?
This is one of the reasons i sold my Taycan ST. Happened quite a lot and nothing to do with the car. Also, i'd happily let any ICE car run down to 10miles before refuelling, never in my Taycan, always left 30-40 miles range 'just in case'. Deduct that from the 200 mile real world range, less if you like to drive and use at least half of your circa 500HP and you have less than 160 miles range or 80 each way on a journey. Not enough and ruined the ownership experience for me.
And one of the reasons I sold my 4S CT. The charging network is pathetic. What I don't get is people saying 'my M5 only got £250 mile range', yeah, but you can refuel that in two minutes and thousands of petrol stations one of which is never more than a few miles away. Who the hell wants to spend more than 5 minutes in any service station! I went back to a 911 for everyday driving, sod the better finance opportunities of electric, I'll stick to an engine as long as I can.

Chemical Ali

922 posts

219 months

Sunday 21st January
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DMC2 said:
GTS440 said:
finmac said:
Great post - thanks

Interestingly, I stopped in my ICE car at a service station today while out for a drive. I parked opposite a row of smart chargers. Guy rocks up in a Black Taycan Turbo S with privacy and black rims - stunning looking car incidently (a real stealth bomber vibe!). It’s pouring rain so he gets out, opens a brolley and plugs it in and walks away, 5 min later he’s back as there’s clearly a problem, so he messes around then unplugs and backs the car out and into another different bay…. a bit of a faff but I guess mostly the chargers work ok when you rock up?
This is one of the reasons i sold my Taycan ST. Happened quite a lot and nothing to do with the car. Also, i'd happily let any ICE car run down to 10miles before refuelling, never in my Taycan, always left 30-40 miles range 'just in case'. Deduct that from the 200 mile real world range, less if you like to drive and use at least half of your circa 500HP and you have less than 160 miles range or 80 each way on a journey. Not enough and ruined the ownership experience for me.
And one of the reasons I sold my 4S CT. The charging network is pathetic. What I don't get is people saying 'my M5 only got £250 mile range', yeah, but you can refuel that in two minutes and thousands of petrol stations one of which is never more than a few miles away. Who the hell wants to spend more than 5 minutes in any service station! I went back to a 911 for everyday driving, sod the better finance opportunities of electric, I'll stick to an engine as long as I can.
Exactly. All these Clauz Schwab accolytes desperae for us to feel guilty and convert. Where are the chargers we paid for on extra fuel duty?

HoHoHo

15,013 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st January
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Chemical Ali said:
DMC2 said:
GTS440 said:
finmac said:
Great post - thanks

Interestingly, I stopped in my ICE car at a service station today while out for a drive. I parked opposite a row of smart chargers. Guy rocks up in a Black Taycan Turbo S with privacy and black rims - stunning looking car incidently (a real stealth bomber vibe!). It’s pouring rain so he gets out, opens a brolley and plugs it in and walks away, 5 min later he’s back as there’s clearly a problem, so he messes around then unplugs and backs the car out and into another different bay…. a bit of a faff but I guess mostly the chargers work ok when you rock up?
This is one of the reasons i sold my Taycan ST. Happened quite a lot and nothing to do with the car. Also, i'd happily let any ICE car run down to 10miles before refuelling, never in my Taycan, always left 30-40 miles range 'just in case'. Deduct that from the 200 mile real world range, less if you like to drive and use at least half of your circa 500HP and you have less than 160 miles range or 80 each way on a journey. Not enough and ruined the ownership experience for me.
And one of the reasons I sold my 4S CT. The charging network is pathetic. What I don't get is people saying 'my M5 only got £250 mile range', yeah, but you can refuel that in two minutes and thousands of petrol stations one of which is never more than a few miles away. Who the hell wants to spend more than 5 minutes in any service station! I went back to a 911 for everyday driving, sod the better finance opportunities of electric, I'll stick to an engine as long as I can.
Exactly. All these Clauz Schwab accolytes desperae for us to feel guilty and convert. Where are the chargers we paid for on extra fuel duty?
Who is asking you to convert to a EV?

I think the discussion has been interesting and my post was simply sharing my thoughts and experiences, is that a problem?


911hope

2,812 posts

28 months

Sunday 21st January
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Any comments relation to the actual thread subject?


Chemical Ali

922 posts

219 months

Sunday 21st January
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HoHoHo said:
Who is asking you to convert to a EV?

I think the discussion has been interesting and my post was simply sharing my thoughts and experiences, is that a problem?
Not really pointed at you is it. Its more at the theme that we are being shepherded into a particular direction, taxes raised out our pocket and, as previous contributors have said, difficult charging network. Hence why so many taycans unsold.

And to answer your question who is asking - government, eu parliament etc.

HoHoHo

15,013 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st January
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Chemical Ali said:
HoHoHo said:
Who is asking you to convert to a EV?

I think the discussion has been interesting and my post was simply sharing my thoughts and experiences, is that a problem?
Not really pointed at you is it. Its more at the theme that we are being shepherded into a particular direction, taxes raised out our pocket and, as previous contributors have said, difficult charging network. Hence why so many taycans unsold.

And to answer your question who is asking - government, eu parliament etc.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post beer

And I agree with you, it’s being forced upon the motoring population. I know my car won’t save the planet but it does reduce my motoring costs significantly given it’s a company car and virtually free to me.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

194 months

Sunday 21st January
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HoHoHo said:
Who is asking you to convert to a EV?

I think the discussion has been interesting and my post was simply sharing my thoughts and experiences, is that a problem?
No one is asking you to change to an EV, the government and local councils are just taxing you heavily if you don't.

fridaypassion

8,756 posts

230 months

Sunday 21st January
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I'm yet to have an EV but open to hearing about them I certainly don't have fingers in ears. We would have been on for a Macan but with growing kids we decided to go Cayenne this time. EV would work for the Mrs a charge a week would do her. The depreciation for me would come into it even offsetting through the business of we were day making a business decision about it.

For me as a business user I need towing capability and we're nowhere near even starting to have infrastructure for recharging vans and trailers anywhere. Plus I would have the charging times spare in a day. Latest vans have 150 mile range which is a none starter for hacking up and down the country

Vroomer

Original Poster:

1,866 posts

182 months

Sunday 21st January
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911hope said:
Any comments relation to the actual thread subject?
Well said.

Sidsw

673 posts

87 months

Sunday 21st January
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HoHoHo said:
Hear what you say but let me answer some of you observations:

Let’s take my Taycan GTS v My wife’s 2020 Cayenne S as examples (even more of the questions would be a no if we were comparing say a 911 v my car)

Can the car fit 4 adults comfortably?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

What is the engine size/bhp?

Mine - 79kwh usable, 2 motors, 2 gears (auto) 590bhp + overboost
Cayenne - 3.2 V6 - 335bhp

0-60 times?

Mine - about 3.4 seconds
Cayenne - about 5.5 seconds

0-150mph?

Mine - 15.2*
Cayenne - Forever (if it gets there at all)

  • my F90 M5 took 15.9 seconds and I thought that was fast!
Does it make a nice noise?

Mine - has a funky sound package that sounds OK (but it ain’t no V8!)
Cayenne - sounds better from the outside than inside!

Cost to fill up?

Mine - £23.70 (could be as low as £5.50 if I got myself onto a 7p overnight tariff)
Cayenne - £130.00 )based on £1.45/ltr

Caveat here - I fill mine at work so it actually costs me £0 to run the car aside from the odd fill-up over Christmas or Easter.

Miles per gallon?

Mine - (based on and average 225/tank) 62mpg (better on a run)
Cayenne - 20mpg (better on a run)

Does the car tell you where a petrol station is on the PCM?

Mine - Yes
Cayenne - yes

Does the car tell you how many pumps/chargers are at the station on the PCM?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Does the car tell you how many pumps/chargers are operational and being used on the PCM?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Is the car good fun to drive?

Mine - absolutely, it defies the laws of physics for such a large heavy car and you can have a blast which interestingly doesn’t seem to affect the range to much
Cayenne - drives pretty well to be honest, I wouldn’t get out of bed to have an early morning drive

Can you pay by card to fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can you pay with an app to fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can the app be temperamental at times when you fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can you simply plug the car into a fuel source and it recognises the car and starts to charge/fill up so no credit cards/cash or apps required?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Please take this post a bit tongue in cheek albeit they are honest answers from myself. I am a massive petrolhead and have been swayed to the dark side simply because of the current BIK rates (I pay somewhere around £50/month for my car).

My conclusion is that generally those who post that EVs are more trouble than they are worth simply haven’t either used one in anger, have actually never owned one or simply prefer ICE (I’m not suggesting you are any of these or picking a fight with you!). EVs have their quirks for sure, the apps can be a bit fussy but once sorted are no more fussy than any petrol apps and lets be honest you need an app or card to pay for liquid fuel these days!

The technology used to pay for charging is getting better literally by the month. As I mentioned on some charging stations I don’t even need to get a card or an app out, the car is recognised during the protocol of discussion between the charger and the car once plugged in and bosh, off it goes. I called in on the A34 by Newbury the other day to get a drink (I didn’t need charge) to find 12 shiny brand new super-fast chargers there that weren’t there last time I dropped in, happy days. So I picked a charger, bought a drink, had a comfort break and the charger had added 150 miles in that timescale.

The PCM in the car is very clever and to be honest you don’t often fill up when you’re out and about. If you are 100 miles away from home and you have 60 miles left in the battery, the car will advise that you only add sufficient charge to get you home, that’s can take 3/5/9 minutes or whatever and then most people when they get home stick it on charge and it’s at 100% ready to go the following morning. The PCM as i say is very clever and I’ve only got super fast chargers in my search criteria so it’s not sending me on a wild goose chase or sending me to 7kw chargers which are too slow.

I love the car, I love the looks, I love the tech, I love the drive and I get it, I work with it rather than fight it and it causes me not a single problem or any range anxiety. I drive 15k+ miles PA to include Europe and if anything the tech in Europe is significantly more advanced than the UK so long trips are no problem whatsoever.

Anyway, just my reply and thoughts beer

Edited by HoHoHo on Saturday 20th January 16:09
you make a compelling case for them, but as i say it may work for you but not others!

Sidsw

673 posts

87 months

Sunday 21st January
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Chemical Ali said:
Not really pointed at you is it. Its more at the theme that we are being shepherded into a particular direction, taxes raised out our pocket and, as previous contributors have said, difficult charging network. Hence why so many taycans unsold.

And to answer your question who is asking - government, eu parliament etc.
+1. imo there is 100% an agenda to push all into ev and control is the reason. for that reason alone i will avoid ev as a first choice for as long as is possible. fcs and fnwo.

Sidsw

673 posts

87 months

Sunday 21st January
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Vroomer said:
Well said.
our own schwab is back. get back on topic posters.

Youforreal.

456 posts

6 months

Sunday 21st January
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So whats the numbers? Up or down?

Gregmitchell

1,746 posts

119 months

Sunday 21st January
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Youforreal. said:
So whats the numbers? Up or down?
Down, loads pre registered or passed to 3rd partys to sell, market is totally screwed, new 911's sat in stock for months.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312285...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401085...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309282...



discounted GTS anyone?

Edited by Gregmitchell on Sunday 21st January 19:31


Edited by Gregmitchell on Sunday 21st January 19:32


Edited by Gregmitchell on Sunday 21st January 19:35

GTS440

217 posts

197 months

Sunday 21st January
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DMC2 said:
GTS440 said:
finmac said:
Great post - thanks

Interestingly, I stopped in my ICE car at a service station today while out for a drive. I parked opposite a row of smart chargers. Guy rocks up in a Black Taycan Turbo S with privacy and black rims - stunning looking car incidently (a real stealth bomber vibe!). It’s pouring rain so he gets out, opens a brolley and plugs it in and walks away, 5 min later he’s back as there’s clearly a problem, so he messes around then unplugs and backs the car out and into another different bay…. a bit of a faff but I guess mostly the chargers work ok when you rock up?
This is one of the reasons i sold my Taycan ST. Happened quite a lot and nothing to do with the car. Also, i'd happily let any ICE car run down to 10miles before refuelling, never in my Taycan, always left 30-40 miles range 'just in case'. Deduct that from the 200 mile real world range, less if you like to drive and use at least half of your circa 500HP and you have less than 160 miles range or 80 each way on a journey. Not enough and ruined the ownership experience for me.
And one of the reasons I sold my 4S CT. The charging network is pathetic. What I don't get is people saying 'my M5 only got £250 mile range', yeah, but you can refuel that in two minutes and thousands of petrol stations one of which is never more than a few miles away. Who the hell wants to spend more than 5 minutes in any service station! I went back to a 911 for everyday driving, sod the better finance opportunities of electric, I'll stick to an engine as long as I can.
Spot on. Life's too short! :-)

DMC2

1,842 posts

213 months

Sunday 21st January
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HoHoHo said:
Hear what you say but let me answer some of you observations:

Let’s take my Taycan GTS v My wife’s 2020 Cayenne S as examples (even more of the questions would be a no if we were comparing say a 911 v my car)

Can the car fit 4 adults comfortably?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

What is the engine size/bhp?

Mine - 79kwh usable, 2 motors, 2 gears (auto) 590bhp + overboost
Cayenne - 3.2 V6 - 335bhp

0-60 times?

Mine - about 3.4 seconds
Cayenne - about 5.5 seconds

0-150mph?

Mine - 15.2*
Cayenne - Forever (if it gets there at all)

  • my F90 M5 took 15.9 seconds and I thought that was fast!
Does it make a nice noise?

Mine - has a funky sound package that sounds OK (but it ain’t no V8!)
Cayenne - sounds better from the outside than inside!

Cost to fill up?

Mine - £23.70 (could be as low as £5.50 if I got myself onto a 7p overnight tariff)
Cayenne - £130.00 )based on £1.45/ltr

Caveat here - I fill mine at work so it actually costs me £0 to run the car aside from the odd fill-up over Christmas or Easter.

Miles per gallon?

Mine - (based on and average 225/tank) 62mpg (better on a run)
Cayenne - 20mpg (better on a run)

Does the car tell you where a petrol station is on the PCM?

Mine - Yes
Cayenne - yes

Does the car tell you how many pumps/chargers are at the station on the PCM?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Does the car tell you how many pumps/chargers are operational and being used on the PCM?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Is the car good fun to drive?

Mine - absolutely, it defies the laws of physics for such a large heavy car and you can have a blast which interestingly doesn’t seem to affect the range to much
Cayenne - drives pretty well to be honest, I wouldn’t get out of bed to have an early morning drive

Can you pay by card to fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can you pay with an app to fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can the app be temperamental at times when you fill up?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - yes

Can you simply plug the car into a fuel source and it recognises the car and starts to charge/fill up so no credit cards/cash or apps required?

Mine - yes
Cayenne - no

Please take this post a bit tongue in cheek albeit they are honest answers from myself. I am a massive petrolhead and have been swayed to the dark side simply because of the current BIK rates (I pay somewhere around £50/month for my car).

My conclusion is that generally those who post that EVs are more trouble than they are worth simply haven’t either used one in anger, have actually never owned one or simply prefer ICE (I’m not suggesting you are any of these or picking a fight with you!). EVs have their quirks for sure, the apps can be a bit fussy but once sorted are no more fussy than any petrol apps and lets be honest you need an app or card to pay for liquid fuel these days!

The technology used to pay for charging is getting better literally by the month. As I mentioned on some charging stations I don’t even need to get a card or an app out, the car is recognised during the protocol of discussion between the charger and the car once plugged in and bosh, off it goes. I called in on the A34 by Newbury the other day to get a drink (I didn’t need charge) to find 12 shiny brand new super-fast chargers there that weren’t there last time I dropped in, happy days. So I picked a charger, bought a drink, had a comfort break and the charger had added 150 miles in that timescale.

The PCM in the car is very clever and to be honest you don’t often fill up when you’re out and about. If you are 100 miles away from home and you have 60 miles left in the battery, the car will advise that you only add sufficient charge to get you home, that’s can take 3/5/9 minutes or whatever and then most people when they get home stick it on charge and it’s at 100% ready to go the following morning. The PCM as i say is very clever and I’ve only got super fast chargers in my search criteria so it’s not sending me on a wild goose chase or sending me to 7kw chargers which are too slow.

I love the car, I love the looks, I love the tech, I love the drive and I get it, I work with it rather than fight it and it causes me not a single problem or any range anxiety. I drive 15k+ miles PA to include Europe and if anything the tech in Europe is significantly more advanced than the UK so long trips are no problem whatsoever.

Anyway, just my reply and thoughts beer

Edited by HoHoHo on Saturday 20th January 16:09
Can the car last a full winter without the heater breaking

911 Yes
Taycan No

Is the breaking inconsistent and lacks bite

911 No
Taycan Yes

Does the dashboard light up randomly like a Christmas tree

911 No
Taycan Yes

Does the car make a nice broom broom noise

911 Yes
Taycan no

wink

12TS

1,886 posts

212 months

Sunday 21st January
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2 year old Taycan on Collecting Cars. 6000 miles no reserve scratchchin