Lots of brand new Porsches immediately available

[andyeds1234]

Swine Enthusiast said:

stuckmojo said:

Yes, like that one - which lived near me and I spotted while the ad was on. the car is super low miles and mint.

I have a good one on AT, which is the perfect spec for me. But not at £48k. £10k cheaper I'd be thinking about it.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310213...

The further the price drops on 991s, hopefully pushes the 997 down.

I don’t think so.
I think the 997 will find its own market, regardless of 991 pricing.

[andyeds1234]

stuckmojo said:

Hammersia said:

57K for a ten year old 4S?

Bonkers imho.

Yes, like that one - which lived near me and I spotted while the ad was on. the car is super low miles and mint.

I have a good one on AT, which is the perfect spec for me. But not at £48k. £10k cheaper I'd be thinking about it.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310213...

At £38k you wouldn’t have time to think about it, as it would sell 10 times over. I’m going to predict a reasonable mileage 991 4S will never hit £38k, but who knows
.

[Youforreal.]

andyeds1234 said:

stuckmojo said:

Hammersia said:

57K for a ten year old 4S?

Bonkers imho.

Yes, like that one - which lived near me and I spotted while the ad was on. the car is super low miles and mint.

I have a good one on AT, which is the perfect spec for me. But not at £48k. £10k cheaper I'd be thinking about it.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310213...

At £38k you wouldn’t have time to think about it, as it would sell 10 times over. I’m going to predict a reasonable mileage 991 4S will never hit £38k, but who knows
.

I’ve no skin in the game re 991 but totally agree with this.

[911hope]

There are new 992 Carrera cars for a little over £100k, at a "discount".

There are dealers and private sellers asking £90k, for 3 to 4 year old cars.

What happens next?

[_speedyellow_]

911hope said:

There are new 992 Carrera cars for a little over £100k, at a "discount".

There are dealers and private sellers asking £90k, for 3 to 4 year old cars.

What happens next?

I suspect the 992.2 bottom line pricing may well be higher than existing (I have nothing apart from trends from Porsche) pricing meaning we will see increases in upper model levels (and they are not selling anyway looking at the GTS's earlier in the thread being reduced) and this keeping the floor at around £75-80k for the base 992.
I guess OPC's will want to keep their £15-£20k margin on regurtitating cars.... the 2nd hand market will be more buoyant for them.

This Thursday new Macan EV - I guess upgradeitus will kick in for some but for most not, will be interesting to see how many of these will be laying about the dealers. Current Macan - only 8 new models about so they seem to be doing ok.

[ChrisW.]

tescor said:

Todays counts...



and running totals

Thankyou ... very interesting !

Are sales slowing ? Are prices holding a little better ? When might the next price increase be ?

How many new new cars will be ordered and sold this year, and what will be the effect of the £15,000 premium per car if Porsche can't sell 22% Zero Co2 electric vehicles through 2024 ?? .... Hybrids are not ZEV ... Zero vehicles ... hence included in the internal combustion engined cars.

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 22 January 18:19

[ChrisW.]

P.S. It appears that brands selling only electric vehicles will be able to trade their surpluses of ZEV vehicles ... I wonder by how much this might subsidise the price of every extra Chinese electric brand car sold above the 22% required ... or putting it another way is the average subsidy value £15000 x .78 = £ 11,700 per car ?

That's a lot off a £30k electric car ... = £17,995 on the road and no RFL or congestion charges ??

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 22 January 18:32

[Mark V GTD]

Presume the quote above with the blue bit highlighted is a typo (ie 2023 was last year)! Not really sure how the Government thinks it can control the percentages of a certain type of product being sold. Manufacturer's must be thinking very hard about how they will deal with this legislation.

[ChrisW.]

Mark V GTD said:

Presume the quote above with the blue bit highlighted is a typo (ie 2023 was last year)! Not really sure how the Government thinks it can control the percentages of a certain type of product being sold. Manufacturer's must be thinking very hard about how they will deal with this legislation.

And our law-makers are paid to be intelligent ...

[Mark V GTD]

stuckmojo said:

911 numbers are interesting.

PEL: Hello, Porsche East London sales, may I help you?
Caller: I'm interested in the 911.
PEL: New or used Sir?
Caller: New
PEL: How many?

[ChrisW.]

They needed the space when I was there ... great service though !

Even their 992GT3RS was parked outside ....

[12TS]

£50k for a 2 year old taycan on collecting cars just now. 6000 miles.

So that’s about 50% loss after a couple of years.

[numtumfutunch]

12TS said:

£50k for a 2 year old taycan on collecting cars just now. 6000 miles.

So that’s about 50% loss after a couple of years.

Or what you'd expect on a second hand car???

[12TS]

numtumfutunch said:

Or what you'd expect on a second hand car???

Normal cars, yes. I’m not up to speed with Porsche, though.

[TTmonkey]

numtumfutunch said:

Or what you'd expect on a second hand car???

Would you? There are brands that do this, I would normally avoid them. Cars like Vauxhalls for example.

A reasonable quality product should depreciate less than this.

Unusual times.

[moonigan]

12TS said:

£50k for a 2 year old taycan on collecting cars just now. 6000 miles.

So that’s about 50% loss after a couple of years.

I’m just about to buy an iX3 out of the company. It was £63k 18 months ago, current retail is £67k. WBAC says £32.5k. Car has done 14k. Partner is doing the same with a e-mini. £35k 14months ago. £16k now.

[Malcolm E Boo]

Tagteam said:

Isn’t it now at ashgood for 66k?

https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/used-porsche-911-991-carrera-4s-for-sale-ag-u3943/

Edited by Malcolm E Boo on Monday 22 January 21:37

[Ed.Neumann]

Hammersia said:

Youforreal. said:

stuckmojo said:

911 numbers are interesting.

They are far too expensive, the Turbos bubble has burst and who knows what will happen to the 10-year old cars which have hardly depreciated?

I fancy a 991 4S but not at £50k.

Like this one?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-porsche-9...

57K for a ten year old 4S?

Bonkers imho.

2013 911 at £57k vs 2017 Aston DB11 at £65k.


Hmmm?


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312064...






It would seem the relatively low running costs of Porsche is keeping their residuals high.

But my there is some nice metal out there now at rapidly falling prices.

[Gregmitchell]

Discombobulate said:

Gregmitchell said:

Busy pre-registering and shifting to 3rd parties

The three cars (Taycan CT 4s) I put silly bids on have all sold. And the numbers are down on Autotrader too.
My guess is the sweet spot for haggling was just before Christmas.
Prices are as much as 10k higher for stock that is left - at least the stock that is specced to my liking.
I should not have been so greedy...

The "new" ones on autotrader have 25 miles on the clock, not sold for months, it's January, beginning of the quarter, thus the "firming up" they've put their prices up and you can see it on autotrader price tracker, e.g. don't need to fire sell yet, wait until March. I'd bet that sales are going to be absolutely terrible in H1 this year, and Porsche shares are going to slide further like their car sales, more bargains will be had.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309282... this has had its price put up by £6k for example in January, the sales gurus seem to think it will sell now for £6k more than 4 weeks ago, even though it's been up for sale for 4 months.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310263... 3 price rises in a month

Are Porsche the only manufacturer that put prices up when they can't sell cars? Doesn't inspire confidence on buying any of their cars when prices go up and down like a yoyo

Edited by Gregmitchell on Monday 22 January 21:37

Edited by Gregmitchell on Monday 22 January 21:39

Edited by Gregmitchell on Monday 22 January 21:42

[Guybrush]

Regarding EVs. What a situation, threats of fines on manufacturers for not selling EVs, large taxpayer funded incentives for buying them, yet they still aren't selling in any significant numbers. Typical bumbling government interference, which never ends well. Just think how badly if natural selection were to take place and EVs were to compete on a level playing field. It's pathetic and will no doubt be the end of a few car manufacturers if this continues.