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Guyr said:
A Dakar just sold for £176k+fees on CC. This surprised me as that must be below list with the options cost added and independent dealers are normally all over CC.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-9...
Who is going to drive that car though? Pop to the shops? You’d look like a total bellend.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-9...
stichill99 said:
I agree! You might aswell walkabout with a dildo stuck on your forehead
I feel that way about the 992gt3rs with its massive spoiler ( best street RS is the 997.2) at least if you got a Dakar in a nice colour no stickers and road tyres it’s the perfect urban car for our pot holed roads and I would take one over a SUV but not at the price.GT4P said:
stichill99 said:
I agree! You might aswell walkabout with a dildo stuck on your forehead
I feel that way about the 992gt3rs with its massive spoiler ( best street RS is the 997.2) at least if you got a Dakar in a nice colour no stickers and road tyres it’s the perfect urban car for our pot holed roads and I would take one over a SUV but not at the price.AndrewD said:
Chemical Ali said:
Exactly this. They created an icon out of a race car engine from mid 2010s, the 991.2 gt3. Its then been put into everything interesting since. Nobody seems to twig it. The variations, 992 gt3, gt4rs, St, gt3 rs are all very good motors but now dated old tech and 10 year old engine relatively speaking.
Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
Each to their own but another way of looking at it is that a na 9000 sports car engine is pretty unique and most other makers are relying on turbo or hybrid. At the same time, who is going to invest in completely new technology with a ban on ICE looming?Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
Ferrari’s V12 is a variant of even older engine design.
McLaren, well their engines are effective but nobody could call them charismatic. Have they resolved the bugs in the hybrid? Will they still be here in 5 years (I hope they will having owned 2 LTs)? And Porsche have the hybrid coming in 992.2 which I would bet money will work out of the box.
On the subject of engines, if you look more broadly at tye drivetrain, most people also think pdk is a class leading dual clutch gearbox. What do McLaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari do, buy them in from Graziano etc. But Porsche is a brand company and McLaren are an example of innovation.
You can rightly criticise Porsche for a lot of things, but I personally find this one strange.
Edited by AndrewD on Saturday 25th May 09:24
We are given a lot of freedom to break them and so long as serviced only to the Porsche service requirement, this can excluding physical damage and consumable items, be under warranty for up to 15 years and 125,000 miles ...
Who does this better ?
ChrisW. said:
AndrewD said:
Chemical Ali said:
Exactly this. They created an icon out of a race car engine from mid 2010s, the 991.2 gt3. Its then been put into everything interesting since. Nobody seems to twig it. The variations, 992 gt3, gt4rs, St, gt3 rs are all very good motors but now dated old tech and 10 year old engine relatively speaking.
Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
Each to their own but another way of looking at it is that a na 9000 sports car engine is pretty unique and most other makers are relying on turbo or hybrid. At the same time, who is going to invest in completely new technology with a ban on ICE looming?Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
Ferrari’s V12 is a variant of even older engine design.
McLaren, well their engines are effective but nobody could call them charismatic. Have they resolved the bugs in the hybrid? Will they still be here in 5 years (I hope they will having owned 2 LTs)? And Porsche have the hybrid coming in 992.2 which I would bet money will work out of the box.
On the subject of engines, if you look more broadly at tye drivetrain, most people also think pdk is a class leading dual clutch gearbox. What do McLaren, Lamborghini and Ferrari do, buy them in from Graziano etc. But Porsche is a brand company and McLaren are an example of innovation.
You can rightly criticise Porsche for a lot of things, but I personally find this one strange.
Edited by AndrewD on Saturday 25th May 09:24
We are given a lot of freedom to break them and so long as serviced only to the Porsche service requirement, this can excluding physical damage and consumable items, be under warranty for up to 15 years and 125,000 miles ...
Who does this better ?
ChrisW. said:
I agree ... any GT3 is now a very special car if only for that engine. PDK is exceptional. And will the equivalent Ferrari and McLarens stand up to the trackway workload of the Porsche GT cars ?
We are given a lot of freedom to break them and so long as serviced only to the Porsche service requirement, this can excluding physical damage and consumable items, be under warranty for up to 15 years and 125,000 miles ...
Who does this better ?
I will conceded this is a major stubling block for other manufacturers. Or, to put another way, a massive reason porsche do so well - they back their products. So fair point. We are given a lot of freedom to break them and so long as serviced only to the Porsche service requirement, this can excluding physical damage and consumable items, be under warranty for up to 15 years and 125,000 miles ...
Who does this better ?
Chemical Ali said:
Exactly this. They created an icon out of a race car engine from mid 2010s, the 991.2 gt3. Its then been put into everything interesting since. Nobody seems to twig it. The variations, 992 gt3, gt4rs, St, gt3 rs are all very good motors but now dated old tech and 10 year old engine relatively speaking.
Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
You could argue that Porsche’s strategy has been knocking out 10 year old technology for about the last 50 years.Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
I think the reason why it’s always been successful is partly because of the brand but partly because the sought after models are very well sorted, usable lightweight drivers cars with enough poke for the road, rather than chasing numbers.
Artura is a good example, the extra 200bhp over my GT3 has zero appeal to me, the odd squirt might be entertaining but it won’t make as nice a noise doing it, and I know the Porsche is going to steer and handle at least as well as the McLaren because it’s a Porsche.
Then you ask yourself, what direct alternative is there to something like a GT3? High revving normally aspirated, relatively lightweight, well engineered, usable packaging. Probably only the Huracan comes close but another 50-100k, not as usable, arguably not as good to drive although has more flash appeal.
I suppose you could argue that most of the GT buyers don’t have a clue and are buying it as they would a Rolex as you suggest, but the substance is there underneath and frankly if the cars weren’t any good and people like us weren’t raving about them then I don’t think the model would work
ChrisW. said:
I should mention that I'm getting amazing service from OPC York ... fine tuning the car to the way I want it.
Very impressive. Dealt with both Richard and Ryan when buying a car from them, would certainly buy again from them, not the largest dealership but think that’s why it works, old school service. The Wookie said:
Chemical Ali said:
Exactly this. They created an icon out of a race car engine from mid 2010s, the 991.2 gt3. Its then been put into everything interesting since. Nobody seems to twig it. The variations, 992 gt3, gt4rs, St, gt3 rs are all very good motors but now dated old tech and 10 year old engine relatively speaking.
Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
You could argue that Porsche’s strategy has been knocking out 10 year old technology for about the last 50 years.Look at, for example, mclaren artura at sub 200k is near on 700 bhp hybrid compared to a gt4rs of similar money when taking into account the porsche tax. Are they both the same value as a sports car? Yes judging by price. But as an actual machine the mclaren is light years ahead.
Porsche is a marketing company that makes cars.
I think the reason why it’s always been successful is partly because of the brand but partly because the sought after models are very well sorted, usable lightweight drivers cars with enough poke for the road, rather than chasing numbers.
Artura is a good example, the extra 200bhp over my GT3 has zero appeal to me, the odd squirt might be entertaining but it won’t make as nice a noise doing it, and I know the Porsche is going to steer and handle at least as well as the McLaren because it’s a Porsche.
Then you ask yourself, what direct alternative is there to something like a GT3? High revving normally aspirated, relatively lightweight, well engineered, usable packaging. Probably only the Huracan comes close but another 50-100k, not as usable, arguably not as good to drive although has more flash appeal.
I suppose you could argue that most of the GT buyers don’t have a clue and are buying it as they would a Rolex as you suggest, but the substance is there underneath and frankly if the cars weren’t any good and people like us weren’t raving about them then I don’t think the model would work
The fallback to criticism for McLaren cars is the noise it produces, usually by people who have never owned one, and just repeat the Internet rhetoric.
Any McLaren shall match or easily beat any GT3 model on any track, and there shall never be any drama of being black flagged due to noise.
I added a 992 GTS late last summer after no Porsches for 20 years, and it was gone after 6 months as it felt like a jump back of more than a decade on every aspect; ride, steering, slow gearbox, mediocre brakes and an amazing sense of just being underwhelmed.
I was going to replace it with a 992GT3, but after a drive of that, it was so compromised for road use, my wife stated she would never drive it.
'It's a track biased car' you may say.
Well my 675LTS would run rings around it in every single aspect, and that is even more of a 'track biased' car, but it can be used for any journey, short or long with no weariness of the track biase imposed on it whatsoever.
My 650 from years ago would be as quick or quicker than a 992GT3, without any of the discomfort.
These are cars nearly decade old, that Porsche still cannot match now.
An Artura has moved the game along by 3 country miles from both of these.
The fact is that some just deem it as 'Porsche; there is no substitute' and shall have this perception forever.
As mentioned, i find the 911 as an underwhelming product, backed by the worst main dealers I have had the misfortune to experience.
I'm basing this on my ownership of both brands; I am sure others may have a different view.
In 6 years of Mclaren ownership, there have been no issues, contrary to the constant Internet chat of how unreliable they are and how expensive to run they are, all which is to the most misinformation and scares potential buyers away.
My 675LT shall be £700 to service this year, and another year of no warranty and no worries.
With my brand new 992, in the 6 months and 1900 miles of ownership, it managed to jam the spoiler in the raised position, and the PDK box had to be reprogrammed twice as it didn't really fancy going up the gears too much; all a decent time spent back at the OPC.
That's just not good enough.
The fanfare of the GT3RS, and all the gushing about it; this was made by the same people who absolutely ridiculed McLaren 7 years ago when the Senna was launched.
The RS is a parody of that car, but still cannot hold a candle to its abilities, 7 years down the line.
I don't think I will ever understand the unconscious biase against a supercrar brand manufactured here in the UK; its such a bizarre view that Italians and Germans would never conceive having about Ferrari, Lambo and Porsche.
I am on my second gt3 and test drive the artura a week or so ago.
Agree with the previous post. The artura has better steering, more dynamic suspension (the scope between hard and sort on the ride selection is huge), much faster throttle response and significantly more power. The engine note is not as exciting, but is still there and fun nonetheless.
My only concern is reliability. But 5 year warranty from new and 3 years servicing from new at 4.9% finance I am 50/50 whether to go for it.
I've done 20k + in a gt3 and they are great. The macca is a big step up though and, after driving it, I'm wondering what I'm missing?
Agree with the previous post. The artura has better steering, more dynamic suspension (the scope between hard and sort on the ride selection is huge), much faster throttle response and significantly more power. The engine note is not as exciting, but is still there and fun nonetheless.
My only concern is reliability. But 5 year warranty from new and 3 years servicing from new at 4.9% finance I am 50/50 whether to go for it.
I've done 20k + in a gt3 and they are great. The macca is a big step up though and, after driving it, I'm wondering what I'm missing?
Chemical Ali said:
I am on my second gt3 and test drive the artura a week or so ago.
Agree with the previous post. The artura has better steering, more dynamic suspension (the scope between hard and sort on the ride selection is huge), much faster throttle response and significantly more power. The engine note is not as exciting, but is still there and fun nonetheless.
My only concern is reliability. But 5 year warranty from new and 3 years servicing from new at 4.9% finance I am 50/50 whether to go for it.
I've done 20k + in a gt3 and they are great. The macca is a big step up though and, after driving it, I'm wondering what I'm missing?
A fair response Ali.Agree with the previous post. The artura has better steering, more dynamic suspension (the scope between hard and sort on the ride selection is huge), much faster throttle response and significantly more power. The engine note is not as exciting, but is still there and fun nonetheless.
My only concern is reliability. But 5 year warranty from new and 3 years servicing from new at 4.9% finance I am 50/50 whether to go for it.
I've done 20k + in a gt3 and they are great. The macca is a big step up though and, after driving it, I'm wondering what I'm missing?
It would probably surprise you just how many owners have went from GT3s to 600lts and just been blown away by the huge step between a sports car and a supercar.
If I was a gambling man, if you went with an Artura, you would most likely not go back to a GT3 product unless it was an addition; it would be costly otherwise as you would end up back in the McLaren fold.
Personally, i would go the spider route.
My 2 McLarens have been spiders, and the zero scuttle shake rules out the requirements of the coupe if you track and rigidity is paramount, with all the bonus of roof down, or even just rear window down.
I was surprised with the 992 gts cab and notable scuttle shake which may be unnoticed by anyone who has never driven a carbon tubbed McLaren before.
I would suggest any of the doubters to spend a day in a Mclaren; the haunted steering, the always perfect ride, and the paddles that change lightning quick either side back or forwards changes your perception of ride forever.
Yeah I’ve driven an Artura it’s a great car but personally I wouldn’t have put clear air between it and the GT3 on steering and dynamics (although admittedly I haven’t had a chance to lean on an Artura as much), ride/bandwidth I can accept although I find the GT3 fine for the sort of roads I typically drive on.
Driven a 720 briefly as well which really disappointed me as they’re absolutely beautiful and I really lusted after one. Felt very flat and linear to drive to me on the road and appointed a bit like a carbon fibre Exige, basic to the point of race car like inside and generally compromised as a road car for me. I thought the Artura was a big improvement on that front though.
The word underwhelming, I found the 992 Turbo S my old man had briefly left a lot to be desired, it was super fast and competent but after a few comedy launches just a bit meh. Could have been a Golf R in a Porsche body once you’d got over the initial new car excitement, that’s the sort of car that the McLaren really does shade for appeal if you ask me.
Track pace is pretty irrelevant to me, they’re not racing cars and for me the enjoyment is still more about how it does it than how fast it is. In fact I reckon my two favourite road cars on track are probably the 968CS and the 997 GT3.
Senna vs GT3RS I think is a bit of a strange comparison, the Senna was a million quid car, also FWIW I don’t get the RS either, think it’s unforgivably ugly and I agree the wrong engine and type of car for a track day willy waver but I suppose it’s difficult to think of what else Porsche could have done with it. I accept some people will love it though, my Dad for example as a recovering Essex boy
Dealers I can’t argue, a few years ago I might have disagreed but they all seem to be an arrogant nightmare now particularly having recently had a right royal rip off attempt by a dealer I used to trust.
Agree on the convertible front as I do like a rag top and I hate scuttle shake, but again something like an 812 GTS I might put up with a bit of it for the engine/noise/experience, I’ll be honest even an Aventador appeals to me on that front even though they really are old tech and despite carbon structure probably not that great to drive (never tried one).
I suppose the problem is that anything high end made in the last 10-15 years is just so good and so fast in most cases that it just comes down to what excites you personally. I never open the garage door to the GT3 on a nice day without getting that tingle of excitement about jumping in and revving it out without hitting bannable/jailable speeds.
Perhaps I’ve lived with and driven too many Porsches over the years (first world problems) and I’ve just become accustomed to the way they feel and go about business!
Driven a 720 briefly as well which really disappointed me as they’re absolutely beautiful and I really lusted after one. Felt very flat and linear to drive to me on the road and appointed a bit like a carbon fibre Exige, basic to the point of race car like inside and generally compromised as a road car for me. I thought the Artura was a big improvement on that front though.
The word underwhelming, I found the 992 Turbo S my old man had briefly left a lot to be desired, it was super fast and competent but after a few comedy launches just a bit meh. Could have been a Golf R in a Porsche body once you’d got over the initial new car excitement, that’s the sort of car that the McLaren really does shade for appeal if you ask me.
Track pace is pretty irrelevant to me, they’re not racing cars and for me the enjoyment is still more about how it does it than how fast it is. In fact I reckon my two favourite road cars on track are probably the 968CS and the 997 GT3.
Senna vs GT3RS I think is a bit of a strange comparison, the Senna was a million quid car, also FWIW I don’t get the RS either, think it’s unforgivably ugly and I agree the wrong engine and type of car for a track day willy waver but I suppose it’s difficult to think of what else Porsche could have done with it. I accept some people will love it though, my Dad for example as a recovering Essex boy
Dealers I can’t argue, a few years ago I might have disagreed but they all seem to be an arrogant nightmare now particularly having recently had a right royal rip off attempt by a dealer I used to trust.
Agree on the convertible front as I do like a rag top and I hate scuttle shake, but again something like an 812 GTS I might put up with a bit of it for the engine/noise/experience, I’ll be honest even an Aventador appeals to me on that front even though they really are old tech and despite carbon structure probably not that great to drive (never tried one).
I suppose the problem is that anything high end made in the last 10-15 years is just so good and so fast in most cases that it just comes down to what excites you personally. I never open the garage door to the GT3 on a nice day without getting that tingle of excitement about jumping in and revving it out without hitting bannable/jailable speeds.
Perhaps I’ve lived with and driven too many Porsches over the years (first world problems) and I’ve just become accustomed to the way they feel and go about business!
Wheelspinning said:
You cannot compare a GT3 to any McLaren; one is a sports car, each of the Mclaren models is a supercar.
The fallback to criticism for McLaren cars is the noise it produces, usually by people who have never owned one, and just repeat the Internet rhetoric.
Any McLaren shall match or easily beat any GT3 model on any track, and there shall never be any drama of being black flagged due to noise.
I added a 992 GTS late last summer after no Porsches for 20 years, and it was gone after 6 months as it felt like a jump back of more than a decade on every aspect; ride, steering, slow gearbox, mediocre brakes and an amazing sense of just being underwhelmed.
I was going to replace it with a 992GT3, but after a drive of that, it was so compromised for road use, my wife stated she would never drive it.
'It's a track biased car' you may say.
Well my 675LTS would run rings around it in every single aspect, and that is even more of a 'track biased' car, but it can be used for any journey, short or long with no weariness of the track biase imposed on it whatsoever.
My 650 from years ago would be as quick or quicker than a 992GT3, without any of the discomfort.
These are cars nearly decade old, that Porsche still cannot match now.
An Artura has moved the game along by 3 country miles from both of these.
The fact is that some just deem it as 'Porsche; there is no substitute' and shall have this perception forever.
As mentioned, i find the 911 as an underwhelming product, backed by the worst main dealers I have had the misfortune to experience.
I'm basing this on my ownership of both brands; I am sure others may have a different view.
In 6 years of Mclaren ownership, there have been no issues, contrary to the constant Internet chat of how unreliable they are and how expensive to run they are, all which is to the most misinformation and scares potential buyers away.
My 675LT shall be £700 to service this year, and another year of no warranty and no worries.
With my brand new 992, in the 6 months and 1900 miles of ownership, it managed to jam the spoiler in the raised position, and the PDK box had to be reprogrammed twice as it didn't really fancy going up the gears too much; all a decent time spent back at the OPC.
That's just not good enough.
The fanfare of the GT3RS, and all the gushing about it; this was made by the same people who absolutely ridiculed McLaren 7 years ago when the Senna was launched.
The RS is a parody of that car, but still cannot hold a candle to its abilities, 7 years down the line.
I don't think I will ever understand the unconscious biase against a supercrar brand manufactured here in the UK; its such a bizarre view that Italians and Germans would never conceive having about Ferrari, Lambo and Porsche.
I've had a foot in both camps but have a much more damming view on the GT3. The GT3 is super car money for a sports car and not a brilliant one in my view. Overrated yes 1000% it is. The fallback to criticism for McLaren cars is the noise it produces, usually by people who have never owned one, and just repeat the Internet rhetoric.
Any McLaren shall match or easily beat any GT3 model on any track, and there shall never be any drama of being black flagged due to noise.
I added a 992 GTS late last summer after no Porsches for 20 years, and it was gone after 6 months as it felt like a jump back of more than a decade on every aspect; ride, steering, slow gearbox, mediocre brakes and an amazing sense of just being underwhelmed.
I was going to replace it with a 992GT3, but after a drive of that, it was so compromised for road use, my wife stated she would never drive it.
'It's a track biased car' you may say.
Well my 675LTS would run rings around it in every single aspect, and that is even more of a 'track biased' car, but it can be used for any journey, short or long with no weariness of the track biase imposed on it whatsoever.
My 650 from years ago would be as quick or quicker than a 992GT3, without any of the discomfort.
These are cars nearly decade old, that Porsche still cannot match now.
An Artura has moved the game along by 3 country miles from both of these.
The fact is that some just deem it as 'Porsche; there is no substitute' and shall have this perception forever.
As mentioned, i find the 911 as an underwhelming product, backed by the worst main dealers I have had the misfortune to experience.
I'm basing this on my ownership of both brands; I am sure others may have a different view.
In 6 years of Mclaren ownership, there have been no issues, contrary to the constant Internet chat of how unreliable they are and how expensive to run they are, all which is to the most misinformation and scares potential buyers away.
My 675LT shall be £700 to service this year, and another year of no warranty and no worries.
With my brand new 992, in the 6 months and 1900 miles of ownership, it managed to jam the spoiler in the raised position, and the PDK box had to be reprogrammed twice as it didn't really fancy going up the gears too much; all a decent time spent back at the OPC.
That's just not good enough.
The fanfare of the GT3RS, and all the gushing about it; this was made by the same people who absolutely ridiculed McLaren 7 years ago when the Senna was launched.
The RS is a parody of that car, but still cannot hold a candle to its abilities, 7 years down the line.
I don't think I will ever understand the unconscious biase against a supercrar brand manufactured here in the UK; its such a bizarre view that Italians and Germans would never conceive having about Ferrari, Lambo and Porsche.
600LT is 3 times the car a GT3 is and this will be controversial here but please only people that have owned both respond. The 600LT sounds better actually. There is a caveat to this in that the McLaren sounds bloody horrible on the motorway literally like a very broken Henry Hoover but give it some revs it sounds awesome. Add to that the whip crack exhaust note the drama is ten times the Porsche.
Gearbox next. Ok the McLaren is just miles better. Literally next level. The ratios are stacked better and the drama of the throttle cut is immense. The throttle cut on the Porsche you only get when changing great right at the redline so a rare treat.
Mid engine layout with carbon tub is light years ahead of course no need for rear steer tomfoolery here.
I think the biggest issue with McLaren ownership is the fear. Yes there are issues in not a fanboy in that way but the cars are absolutely next level to a Porsche to be honest.
However there is the GT4 which is a close second to me a car that is vastly vastly better than the GT3 in every way. Nobody will ever admit to any of this stuff but I defy anyone that owns a GT3 that a small party of them dies inside every time they drive it. They are a bit rubbish!
fridaypassion said:
However there is the GT4 which is a close second to me a car that is vastly vastly better than the GT3 in every way. Nobody will ever admit to any of this stuff but I defy anyone that owns a GT3 that a small party of them dies inside every time they drive it. They are a bit rubbish!
Wow that really is different strokes for different folks, can’t say I’m anything other than delighted with my GT3. Still you’re entitled to your opinion.However there is the GT4 which is a close second to me a car that is vastly vastly better than the GT3 in every way. Nobody will ever admit to any of this stuff but I defy anyone that owns a GT3 that a small party of them dies inside every time they drive it. They are a bit rubbish!
All I can say is I have a 718 GT4 and absolutely adore it and it’s definitely a keeper especially as it’s now ceased production
The fun round the country lanes with its mid engine set up, handling & size is just magical
Vastly underrated imo but each to their own
All I can say is I have a 718 GT4 and absolutely adore it and it’s definitely a keeper especially as it’s now ceased production
The fun round the country lanes with its mid engine set up, handling & size is just magical
Vastly underrated imo but each to their own
Augustash said:
However there is the GT4 which is a close second to me a car that is vastly vastly better than the GT3 in every way. Nobody will ever admit to any of this stuff but I defy anyone that owns a GT3 that a small party of them dies inside every time they drive it. They are a bit rubbish!
All I can say is I have a 718 GT4 and absolutely adore it and it’s definitely a keeper especially as it’s now ceased production
The fun round the country lanes with its mid engine set up, handling & size is just magical
Vastly underrated imo but each to their own
4RS is the sweet spot for me. Nice size and amazing engine.All I can say is I have a 718 GT4 and absolutely adore it and it’s definitely a keeper especially as it’s now ceased production
The fun round the country lanes with its mid engine set up, handling & size is just magical
Vastly underrated imo but each to their own
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