Official 997 GT2 Brochure & Specs... 204mph
Discussion
boxerTen said:
Imagine a 400bhp Exige derivative weighing less than a ton.
Not so much the tonne part, but that would essentially be the new Esprit if Autocar are to be believed.Back on the GT2 though. You would, but you'd be thinking of an RT/12
I still think that the rear-engined days are numbered though (much as I love mine) - for racing reasons. The new 997RSR isn't fast enough, and the bottom line is that when the competition catch up in every other area (which they appear to have done), the limitations of the engine in the wrong place are where competativeness bites. That said, removing the top line 911s in the next generation would make room for a new £150k mid-engined flagship...???
Must confess I hated the earlier spy photos, but it does look rather sexy in Black!
But all this talk about 7.4 secs to the ton, lets wait until it gets tested, Porsche said the 997GT3 was 8.7 & all the mags could only manage 9.7
Of course what is a few secs between friends, but then again if its over £30k more than a Turbo you do expect rather more real poke!!!
But all this talk about 7.4 secs to the ton, lets wait until it gets tested, Porsche said the 997GT3 was 8.7 & all the mags could only manage 9.7
Of course what is a few secs between friends, but then again if its over £30k more than a Turbo you do expect rather more real poke!!!
Edited by Grant3 on Friday 13th July 23:20
Pork_n_Beem said:
BTW - can we stop asking stupid questions about the merits of electronic aids on a track car, they are for your partners Renault Scenic school run car
Know what you mean - those F1 drivers are real wusses aren't they? I get on the 'phone to Ron and offer your coaching services if I was you!
Grant3 said:
But all this talk about 7.4 secs to the ton, lets wait until it gets tested, Porsche said the 997GT3 was 8.7 & all the mags could only manage 9.7
Of course what is a few secs between friends, but then again if its over £30k more than a Turbo you do expect rather more real poke!!!
Thats unlike Pork to tell porkies. I'm shocked and saddened. We expect Merc, Ferrari and TVR (RIP) to lie, lie, lie and then lie again, but Porsche?!Of course what is a few secs between friends, but then again if its over £30k more than a Turbo you do expect rather more real poke!!!
Pugsey said:
graeme36s said:
Im sure they'll do a club sport version.
But unless you can completely disable the PASM and TC it holds absolutely no interest for me and I guarantee you won't be able to.
You're wrong actually - but assuming you were right, why wouldn't it interest you may I ask?But unless you can completely disable the PASM and TC it holds absolutely no interest for me and I guarantee you won't be able to.
Stage 1 disables the stability control. Stage 2 disables the traction control. I presume that this also disables the automatic brake differential, anti slip regulation and engine drag control.
You still have porsches active suspension management to contend with.
The reason I bought my first 911 many years back was because it was by far the most purest driving experience that I had ever experienced. This led onto racing the bu**ers as well. I don't necessarily see ABS as a bad thing an agreed it can allow you to more relaxed in some precarious situations but if I am really pushing then I want to have complete control over my own destiny. I do not want electronics interfering or trying to second guess what I am about to do, want to do or I am going to do. I don't want the PASM interfering and altering the damper settings mid way through eau rouge, deer leap, or bridge, the list goes on. Has anyone ever stopped to consider that the poor chap in a previous thread who stuffed his GT3 at eau rouge might have had matters taken out of his control by the PASM.
I am sure that the 997 GT2 will be an exceptional weapon but i'd rather be sticking my money and a fare chunk more into a Carrera GT
Pugsey said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
BTW - can we stop asking stupid questions about the merits of electronic aids on a track car, they are for your partners Renault Scenic school run car
Know what you mean - those F1 drivers are real wusses aren't they? I get on the 'phone to Ron and offer your coaching services if I was you!fbrs said:
Pugsey said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
BTW - can we stop asking stupid questions about the merits of electronic aids on a track car, they are for your partners Renault Scenic school run car
Know what you mean - those F1 drivers are real wusses aren't they? I get on the 'phone to Ron and offer your coaching services if I was you!Is this the best piece of F1 news this year? Traction control will be outlawed in F1 from next season as the FIA and manufacturers have agreed on standard engine control units.
This is fantastic news for the sport - it plugs a gigantic hole in F1’s credibility and promises to present a greater challenge to the drivers.
Traction control was made illegal following the 2001 San Marino Grand Prix, though it was widely suspected that at least one team was using it before then"
Oh dear, looks like the F1 drivers will have to go back to school...
Can a computer drive a car better than a man - today... yes.
What do we think the cost of TC in a F1 car to be ...mmmm million or two ? - how much in a Porsche , couple of K.....
Me thinks Pugsey does not understand.....
Edited by Pork_n_Beem on Saturday 14th July 19:59
fbrs said:
Pugsey said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
BTW - can we stop asking stupid questions about the merits of electronic aids on a track car, they are for your partners Renault Scenic school run car
Know what you mean - those F1 drivers are real wusses aren't they? I get on the 'phone to Ron and offer your coaching services if I was you!fun, we all know that psm can save you when you get caught out and we all know that for the majority of us we'd be faster on track with it on. the ability to switch it off is called choice. its very simple. So whats your point?
1/ Unless you want to go very sideways on the public roads then the latest generation PSM will not interfere with your driving at all, so it is still YOU driving the car!
2/ If YOU (or some one else) do make a mistake or the tyre blows out or there is oil on the corner it can help save you, your family & maybe some one else!In fact it can act beyond a drivers physical limits, as it can brake each individual wheel! On todays very busy road that has to be a good thing!
3/ If you go on track, YOU CAN TURN IT OFF & go beyond the limits of the cars handling envelope!
I can see an argument against it if it interfered with spirited driving & couldn't be turned off, BUT IT DOESN'T affect even very spirited driving where you are sliding the car a bit, can be turned off on track & may step in & save someone should the unforeseen happen.................
SO WHAT IS THE FRIGGING PROBLEM!
Grant3 said:
YOU CAN TURN IT OFF
please won't someone think of the children. try rereading the thread. i know it can be turned off. i am simply supproting the view that the car would hold no interest if it wasn't possible to completely disable it, for whatever reason. the time will comefbrs said:
Grant3 said:
YOU CAN TURN IT OFF
i am simply supporting the view that the car would hold no interest if it wasn't possible to completely disable it, for whatever reason. the time will comeBut providing there is an off switch I really can't see the downside of having Porsche superb PSM safety net, for the occasions when your on road traveling back from track, its wet & you aren't fully concentrating in your 530hp RWD beast as your a bit over tired from all that on track sideways action!!!Even driving gods need a little help sometimes
Anyway peace man, we have a shared love of fast cars!Edited by Grant3 on Sunday 15th July 18:06
Cannot see the problem ?
It is staring you in the face....
The future will be instead of talking about an ECU upgrade to get more boost or whatever for the engine, we will be running down to the tuning shop to get the very latest upgrade to the PSM S/W
My view, may as well stop at home, rather than have Pentium 5 drive the car and once these devices become de-riguer and better than man, i believe F1 have achieved this but not the manufaturers of production cars, do you think that said manufacturers will give you an off switch ?
Look at ABS - whats the difference between ABS and PSM ?
ABS gives you better braking control in most situations and is certainly de-riguer and yes there is no off switch, but its more than useless in snow and when you are trying to gather the car up after a spin it positively works against you.
Have you seen how F1 cars are driven nowadays compared to 10 years ago.
Cars don't move around much do they and the sport have now realised that control software is better at driving than the drivers and this software costs a fortune to develop.
The latest fighter jets produced by Eurofighter and Northrop separate the pilot control system from the control surfaces and the plane can be flown faster and quicker without stalling or crashing.
The technology is already there, if it gets to sports cars i believe the sport and hobby i enjoy will change and be less challenging.
I really don't want that
BTW - i recently tested a major manufacturers latest model with ESP on, at a private testing facility, i was impressed will its ability to be un-obtrusive and despite pushing hard it only took the throttle away from me once, however the solution to too high corner entry speed is always to run off the track understeering, so i think we are still safe from them being better than a driver but the next generation who knows, its only a matter of development cost and hardware.
It is staring you in the face....
The future will be instead of talking about an ECU upgrade to get more boost or whatever for the engine, we will be running down to the tuning shop to get the very latest upgrade to the PSM S/W
My view, may as well stop at home, rather than have Pentium 5 drive the car and once these devices become de-riguer and better than man, i believe F1 have achieved this but not the manufaturers of production cars, do you think that said manufacturers will give you an off switch ?
Look at ABS - whats the difference between ABS and PSM ?
ABS gives you better braking control in most situations and is certainly de-riguer and yes there is no off switch, but its more than useless in snow and when you are trying to gather the car up after a spin it positively works against you.
Have you seen how F1 cars are driven nowadays compared to 10 years ago.
Cars don't move around much do they and the sport have now realised that control software is better at driving than the drivers and this software costs a fortune to develop.
The latest fighter jets produced by Eurofighter and Northrop separate the pilot control system from the control surfaces and the plane can be flown faster and quicker without stalling or crashing.
The technology is already there, if it gets to sports cars i believe the sport and hobby i enjoy will change and be less challenging.
I really don't want that
BTW - i recently tested a major manufacturers latest model with ESP on, at a private testing facility, i was impressed will its ability to be un-obtrusive and despite pushing hard it only took the throttle away from me once, however the solution to too high corner entry speed is always to run off the track understeering, so i think we are still safe from them being better than a driver but the next generation who knows, its only a matter of development cost and hardware.
Edited by Pork_n_Beem on Sunday 15th July 22:44
Grant3 said:
But providing there is an off switch I really can't see the downside of having Porsche superb PSM safety net, for the occasions when your on road traveling back from track, its wet & you aren't fully concentrating in your 530hp RWD beast as your a bit over tired from all that on track sideways action!!!Even driving gods need a little help sometimes
i agree. although ive never even used ABS on road. yet. maybe i'm too slow. IMO it won't always be switchable and with drive by wire will be very difficult to circumvent. Pork_n_Beem said:
fbrs said:
Pugsey said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
BTW - can we stop asking stupid questions about the merits of electronic aids on a track car, they are for your partners Renault Scenic school run car
Know what you mean - those F1 drivers are real wusses aren't they? I get on the 'phone to Ron and offer your coaching services if I was you!Is this the best piece of F1 news this year? Traction control will be outlawed in F1 from next season as the FIA and manufacturers have agreed on standard engine control units.
This is fantastic news for the sport - it plugs a gigantic hole in F1’s credibility and promises to present a greater challenge to the drivers.
Traction control was made illegal following the 2001 San Marino Grand Prix, though it was widely suspected that at least one team was using it before then"
Oh dear, looks like the F1 drivers will have to go back to school...
Can a computer drive a car better than a man - today... yes.
What do we think the cost of TC in a F1 car to be ...mmmm million or two ? - how much in a Porsche , couple of K.....
Me thinks Pugsey does not understand.....
Edited by Pork_n_Beem on Saturday 14th July 19:59
And thanks to Grant3 for summing up my view - difficult to argue with when applied to a car like this on road and as he said - peace man, be cool.
The Pits said:
I've another idea for them - move the f***ing engine forwards!!! That'll do wonders for your load over the rear axle and therefore your driving dynamics.
won't do much for the ability to get some people in the back though, which has always been a feature buyers liked about the 911Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff