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Speedgelb said:
My comment was actually about the OE Textars, which I think are pretty damn good.
I understood your point. I just don't necessarily agree that being able to activate the ABS at high speeds is a sign of a better pad. ABS at that speed is not a good thing, it is a sign of lack of traction. It doesn't equate to your pads being good, it equates to your tyres being poor. You could guess that the pads are better, but perhaps they're just more grabby and highlight poor tyres more. Clamping the disc so hard that it locks the brakes at any speed is not a characteristic of a good setup.Edited by Order66 on Friday 26th June 10:17
Votes against Design911 clear! I haven't ordered anything from them, but found them useful for researching part numbers, availability and rough prices. Is there a good alternative parts lookup with complete diagrams? I've been wholly spoiled by realoem.com in BMW ownership.
LennyM1984 said:
I used to drive my old 986 on track reasonably regularly and expiremented with OEM pads and then more track biased pads.
I found the OEM pads (I just used to buy Textar rather than "Porsche" pads) perfectly adequate for road and track BUT found that they wore/glazed very quickly on track (I'd get about 2 track days from a set). In terms of brake performance, I found that mine only really worked well once they had heated up a bit. I just used to stamp on them as soon as safe and then they were fine from that point on (I could make the tyres squeak on a warm road under braking) - The first stop was always a bit worrying though
Very useful, thank you. I find mine also need a bit of temperature, behaving better after one hard stop. Unusual for a road pad. I think I've talked myself towards trying the Brembo HP2000s, partly helped by the discs being much cheaper than I expected - so I don't mind a few more quid on the pads.I found the OEM pads (I just used to buy Textar rather than "Porsche" pads) perfectly adequate for road and track BUT found that they wore/glazed very quickly on track (I'd get about 2 track days from a set). In terms of brake performance, I found that mine only really worked well once they had heated up a bit. I just used to stamp on them as soon as safe and then they were fine from that point on (I could make the tyres squeak on a warm road under braking) - The first stop was always a bit worrying though
Speedgelb said:
Once the suspension's been refreshed on mine, would like to get some driver tuition and some track time.
At such time as we're allowed to do it, I'd be happy to sit next to you for that. Tuition in exchange for getting well under the skin of another example seems fair enough to me!As stated, I found Bremo HP2000 plus Brembo discs perfect for mild track work.
Ref the discs, you mention them looking a bit crusty - I suspect you will find that the hidden back side of the discs is really crusty. Not sure why they do it as the calipers are dual piston rather than sliding, but, it does seem common, particularly on the rear. Definitely contributes to slightly wooden brake feel and poor performance.
Ref the discs, you mention them looking a bit crusty - I suspect you will find that the hidden back side of the discs is really crusty. Not sure why they do it as the calipers are dual piston rather than sliding, but, it does seem common, particularly on the rear. Definitely contributes to slightly wooden brake feel and poor performance.
Order66 said:
I understood your point. I just don't necessarily agree that being able to activate the ABS at high speeds is a sign of a better pad. ABS at that speed is not a good thing, it is a sign of lack of traction. It doesn't equate to your pads being good, it equates to your tyres being poor. You could guess that the pads are better, but perhaps they're just more grabby and highlight poor tyres more. Clamping the disc so hard that it locks the brakes at any speed is not a characteristic of a good setup.
They're Goodyear Eagle Asy 5s, so nothing special, just a good (IMO) road tyre - am sure there are superior options for the track. Agree with your comments about the tyre being the bottleneck, so to speak, but for a car that's predominantly used on the road nowhere near 10/10ths, the OE brake setup does seem up to the task.Edited by Order66 on Friday 26th June 10:17
Genuinely interested in your thoughts on this. Without measuring stopping distances, etc, is there some other 'fag packet' approach that could be used to evaluate braking performance? Am sure something like Michelin Supersports would be a better tyre (in the dry), and then the Textars may be the bottleneck.
But, on a public road...
McSam said:
Speedgelb said:
Once the suspension's been refreshed on mine, would like to get some driver tuition and some track time.
At such time as we're allowed to do it, I'd be happy to sit next to you for that. Tuition in exchange for getting well under the skin of another example seems fair enough to me!
Speedgelb said:
McSam said:
Speedgelb said:
Once the suspension's been refreshed on mine, would like to get some driver tuition and some track time.
At such time as we're allowed to do it, I'd be happy to sit next to you for that. Tuition in exchange for getting well under the skin of another example seems fair enough to me!edh said:
For porsche parts diagrams you need PET. pdf by model. Available from the porsche website i think?
D911 have always been good when I have used them. Good prices on PF pads (I use PF 08 on my track car). D911 parts diags are lifted from PET BTW.
PET. Excellent. That's the thing I was hoping to find! It's a shame not to have a handy search by vehicle and part number, but it's a good resource. Thank you.D911 have always been good when I have used them. Good prices on PF pads (I use PF 08 on my track car). D911 parts diags are lifted from PET BTW.
I also use PFC 08 on my race car, an E36 328i. What do you have?
944S2 track car - I used to use PFC 97's and 01's which were probably better, but the dust was just so corrosive!
My car has the standard brembo 4-pots, quite small pads & discs, so they get worked quite hard. I am contemplating the C4S 4-pots as an option, as they would (I think) fit under my 17" wheels.
I used my 986S on trackdays for a year when the 944 was broken - with a bucket seat it was great - everything else was standard, apart from using a square 225/45 setup (from the 944). new m030 suspension probably helped. I'm still pondering changing back to a more track focused Boxster, possibly selling my 996 as well, but haven't got anywhere with that idea yet.
My car has the standard brembo 4-pots, quite small pads & discs, so they get worked quite hard. I am contemplating the C4S 4-pots as an option, as they would (I think) fit under my 17" wheels.
I used my 986S on trackdays for a year when the 944 was broken - with a bucket seat it was great - everything else was standard, apart from using a square 225/45 setup (from the 944). new m030 suspension probably helped. I'm still pondering changing back to a more track focused Boxster, possibly selling my 996 as well, but haven't got anywhere with that idea yet.
McSam said:
Speedgelb said:
McSam said:
At such time as we're allowed to do it, I'd be happy to sit next to you for that. Tuition in exchange for getting well under the skin of another example seems fair enough to me!
To be absolutely clear, am not an advanced / track driving instructor. But would be happy for someone to ride shotgun in a car with a different setup to yours 
Apologies for the confusion! Would love to take you up on that - let's see how the current situation develops, and touch base later down the line.
BillyB said:
edh said:
. I'm still pondering changing back to a more track focused Boxster....
How are Boxsters on track? I drove a Boxster for the first time at a driving experience day - at Thruxton I think. Anyway I drove 4 or 5 cars and the Boxster was by far and away the best car there. The first 2 or 3 bends and I immediately said to the instructor guy beside me, wow how good is this car. That moment I decided I was buying a Boxster and got one a few months later. Up until that point I believed all the bull about poor man's Porsche. The instructor guy went on to tell me they hold up well for a road car too, going round and round the track all day long and just needing regular servicing.
What's not to like?
BillyB said:
edh said:
. I'm still pondering changing back to a more track focused Boxster....
How are Boxsters on track? FWIW a good bucket seat makes a boxster much more of a sports car on the road as well.
Order66 said:
BillyB said:
How are Boxsters on track?
Just be careful - they are not dry sumped. You can cause oil starvation issues and detonate engines (ask me how I know). If you're happy with the engine risk then they are a great fun car on track - very capable, and nice neutral handling.https://www.fvd.net/de-en/FVD20798801/fvd-brombach...
Here you go €470 for a motorsport pan plus X51 baffle. Less than a bucket seat or around the same as a set of uprated pads front and rear.
Here you go €470 for a motorsport pan plus X51 baffle. Less than a bucket seat or around the same as a set of uprated pads front and rear.
andy97 said:
I seem to remember that the race Boxsters in the BRSCC and Porsche Club series we’re quickly fitted with deeper pan sumps, presumably baffled. Happy to be corrected.
Yes, can't remember exactly what they did, but they weren't left standard. Even then engine failure wasn't unknown.Order66 said:
andy97 said:
I seem to remember that the race Boxsters in the BRSCC and Porsche Club series we’re quickly fitted with deeper pan sumps, presumably baffled. Happy to be corrected.
Yes, can't remember exactly what they did, but they weren't left standard. Even then engine failure wasn't unknown.edc said:
Order66 said:
andy97 said:
I seem to remember that the race Boxsters in the BRSCC and Porsche Club series we’re quickly fitted with deeper pan sumps, presumably baffled. Happy to be corrected.
Yes, can't remember exactly what they did, but they weren't left standard. Even then engine failure wasn't unknown.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff