RE: Porsche GT3 (997)
Discussion
johnny senna said:
If they do Viper Green or Blood Orange I would go for one of those. Or Gulf Blue. Actually, if I was spending that much money on a new 997 GT3 RS I would consider a custom colour to make sure I gt exactly what I want.
Having said that, the black car looks good in the Chris Harris 4Car article.
Mmmm. Good call Mr. Senna. Viper Green or Gulf Blue. Black Carrera lettering would actually work on those colors. Go on Porsche. Back to the roots.
Was just reading a magazine article about the new GT3 over lunch. It does the standing start km in 21 seconds, nearly 2 seconds faster than the old model and 1/2 a second faster than the new turbo with manual box! Supposedly this is the first time that a normally aspirated porker is faster than the turbo model as standard.
I'm very impressed - once someone else has paid the brunt of the depreciation and any teething issues have been sorted I might well have to get one of these. Now, which of my clients can I double invoice without them noticing....?
I'm very impressed - once someone else has paid the brunt of the depreciation and any teething issues have been sorted I might well have to get one of these. Now, which of my clients can I double invoice without them noticing....?
anyone know whether the ceramics available with the 997GT3 would still be vulnerable to previous,shall we say,'inconsistencies' or whether the requisite improvements have now been made to make them a more viable option?I personally never had any issue with my ceramics but definitely found the car harder to sell on as a result of them having been fitted.
I believe the 997GT3 will have 'second generation' PCCBs.
Most road test cars will have PCCBs so these could make a useful contribution to the car's dynamic capabilities.
If someone was thinking of buying a GT3 (or any Porsche for that matter) it might be prudent to write to Porsche and ask the relevant questions about life span, premature damage, warranty etc.
They are expensive, but for a cutting edge car like the new GT3, they could become a 'must have'. Even 'on road' the unsprung weight saving should improve ride and handling.
Most road test cars will have PCCBs so these could make a useful contribution to the car's dynamic capabilities.
If someone was thinking of buying a GT3 (or any Porsche for that matter) it might be prudent to write to Porsche and ask the relevant questions about life span, premature damage, warranty etc.
They are expensive, but for a cutting edge car like the new GT3, they could become a 'must have'. Even 'on road' the unsprung weight saving should improve ride and handling.
Geneve said:
I believe the 997GT3 will have 'second generation' PCCBs.
Most road test cars will have PCCBs so these could make a useful contribution to the car's dynamic capabilities.
If someone was thinking of buying a GT3 (or any Porsche for that matter) it might be prudent to write to Porsche and ask the relevant questions about life span, premature damage, warranty etc.
They are expensive, but for a cutting edge car like the new GT3, they could become a 'must have'. Even 'on road' the unsprung weight saving should improve ride and handling.
Wouldn't go near ceramics if the car's going on track - it's visits to gravel traps etc. that caused most of the cracking probs. with current generation PCCBs. Also notice that 997 Cup Cars aren't using them. Steel brakes can be upgraded to perform as well as ceramics and are a lot cheaper to maintain/replace. That said I'd go for Ceramics if car was going to be road only - mine won't be so I'm going with steels.
sammy said:
I believe the 997GT3 will have 'second generation' PCCBs.
Most road test cars will have PCCBs so these could make a useful contribution to the car's dynamic capabilities.
If someone was thinking of buying a GT3 (or any Porsche for that matter) it might be prudent to write to Porsche and ask the relevant questions about life span, premature damage, warranty etc.
They are expensive, but for a cutting edge car like the new GT3, they could become a 'must have'. Even 'on road' the unsprung weight saving should improve ride and handling.
Wouldn't go near ceramics if the car's going on track - it's visits to gravel traps etc. that caused most of the cracking probs. with current generation PCCBs. Also notice that 997 Cup Cars aren't using them. Steel brakes can be upgraded to perform as well as ceramics and are a lot cheaper to maintain/replace. That said I'd go for Ceramics if car was going to be road only - mine won't be so I'm going with steels.
My dealer confirms that cars with ceramics much harder to shift second time round. Expect to loose most of the option cost at resale - if that sort of consideration is important to you.
just spoke to my dealer,said exactly the same.I guess that even if you only use the GT3 on the road (bit of a waste) come resale time nobody ever belives it's not been tracked so it hurts financially either way.Truth is these cars will depreciate hard anyway so if that's the primary concern better to buy a mk1/mk2/GT3RS...
sammy said:
Wouldn't go near ceramics if the car's going on track - it's visits to gravel traps etc. that caused most of the cracking probs.
Thats a load of nonsense suggested by Porsche. I've been through three pairs of PCCBs now (two front and one rear) and the car has never been in the gravel once and nbot even been on track that often. Of all the people I know who have PCCBs that are now knackered, not one has ever been in a gravel trap.
GuyR said:
Wouldn't go near ceramics if the car's going on track - it's visits to gravel traps etc. that caused most of the cracking probs.
Thats a load of nonsense suggested by Porsche. I've been through three pairs of PCCBs now (two front and one rear) and the car has never been in the gravel once and nbot even been on track that often. Of all the people I know who have PCCBs that are now knackered, not one has ever been in a gravel trap.
Thats interesting. You mean those rascals at Porsche aren't being straight with us - well I never!
The more I hear the more I'm happy to stick with steels - it's not as if they're too shabby is it.
People keep saying get a 996GT3RS instead of the new GT3 because more focussed and cheaper but the ones I see for sale only seem about £10k away from new car - or don't people actually get those prices. Toying with idea of getting one before my new model GT3 arrives anyone got views on what I should be paying? I'd probably mod. it for pure track work when GT3 arrives.
nevetas said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
sammy said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
Where did you hear the new GT3 is quicker around the circuit? Fastest ring time from an RS is 7.40 driven by Fredrik Ekblom. RSs make 400bhp and are lighter than the new car. Gearing is better in the new car though.
I don't doubt the new RS will post a faster time, but I'd be surprised if the cooking model does.
www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=baca68fdbd91e4c0a5b5fce4528fc84f&threadid=5577&perpage=17&pagenumber=1
p.s. big ring time list here - www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=0 - dunno why the good RS time is classified as race car, as it wasn't, it was stock.
>> Edited by DanH on Tuesday 4th April 19:32
DanH said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
Where did you hear the new GT3 is quicker around the circuit? Fastest ring time from an RS is 7.40 driven by Fredrik Ekblom. RSs make 400bhp and are lighter than the new car. Gearing is better in the new car though.
I don't doubt the new RS will post a faster time, but I'd be surprised if the cooking model does.
I was told - by Porsche - that lap time for completely standard GT3RS is approx. 7.47 (dependent on track temp etc.) Time for standard GT3 7.53. So, given the new car is meant to be 12 secs a lap quicker than current GT3 it's going to be quicker than RS. Don't forget it's on super trick new tyres.
Testers also reckon it's quicker at 'Ring on standard PASM setting rather than stiff. Mind you it's all a bit accademic really - I've only managed to squeeze an 8.00 out of a GT3 round there!!!!!!!!!! How about you????
www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=baca68fdbd91e4c0a5b5fce4528fc84f&threadid=5577&perpage=17&pagenumber=1
p.s. big ring time list here - www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=0 - dunno why the good RS time is classified as race car, as it wasn't, it was stock.
>> Edited by DanH on Tuesday 4th April 19:32
sammy said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
I think a 996 RS is a better looker than a 997 GT3. Also I reckon it's more special. Lets just hope they do the same with the 997 RS.
sammy said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
Where did you hear the new GT3 is quicker around the circuit? Fastest ring time from an RS is 7.40 driven by Fredrik Ekblom. RSs make 400bhp and are lighter than the new car. Gearing is better in the new car though.
I don't doubt the new RS will post a faster time, but I'd be surprised if the cooking model does.
I was told - by Porsche - that lap time for completely standard GT3RS is approx. 7.47 (dependent on track temp etc.) Time for standard GT3 7.53. So, given the new car is meant to be 12 secs a lap quicker than current GT3 it's going to be quicker than RS. Don't forget it's on super trick new tyres.
Testers also reckon it's quicker at 'Ring on standard PASM setting rather than stiff. Mind you it's all a bit accademic really - I've only managed to squeeze an 8.00 out of a GT3 round there!!!!!!!!!! How about you????
www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=baca68fdbd91e4c0a5b5fce4528fc84f&threadid=5577&perpage=17&pagenumber=1
p.s. big ring time list here - www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=0 - dunno why the good RS time is classified as race car, as it wasn't, it was stock.
>> Edited by DanH on Tuesday 4th April 19:32
lol, not been to the ring, although I've definitely done a 7.30 if anyone asks
To be honest all this stuff is marketing fluff and you pays your money and makes your choice. I'm unconvinced that the standard 997GT3 will be quicker than an RS on track but in the end what does it matter its going to be a small difference whatever. I guess the hockenheim time may be more interesting anyway since its a more normal track than the ring which as you point out doesn't like overly stiff cars.
On the price front, low end for an RS seems to be mid 60s. A new GT3 specced up is going to be mid to late 80s. Thats a fair difference...
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