I've just bought some poverty Pork…
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MrC986 said:
Smollet said:
Thoughts on this?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206257...
Online MOT history indicates the car may need tyres & suspension work imminently. I helped a good friend buy a similar age car last year (with 80k miles on the clock) & he paid about £6.5k for his so the pricing looks ok. On a car of that age, tyre age & perished suspension components & air con rads etc. become more prevalent.https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206257...
Bluedot said:
Probably worth that in scrap value. Slippydiff said:
2Btoo said:
Hmmm. I've had my 987.1 2.7 Cayman for a few years now and I'd never have agreed with the sentiments that it doesn't have enough grunt.
Today, for the first time (possibly ever), I drove the car and thought precisely that.
How odd. I wonder if it's to do with the hot weather.
It was 31 degrees on Monday, a 987/986 engine bay is a hot place and compromised from the perspective of cooling/air flow at the best of times. I’d be surprised if the ECU wasn’t trying to compensate for the increased inlet temperatures it was seeing, and you experienced a noticeable power loss as a result.Today, for the first time (possibly ever), I drove the car and thought precisely that.
How odd. I wonder if it's to do with the hot weather.
Winter is just round the corner now
and normal service will be resumed once we get back to sub 10 degree temperatures (and some rain to improve inlet charge density) 
Alternatively you could pop out at 3 or 4am when the temperature has dropped, and report back as to whether the engine feels more “normal” as a result of the 15 + degree temperature drop in the engine bay.
(I've always subscribed to the view that the car is more capable than am I, which applies to both my 944 and 987. There is no point in pursuing more power when I can't make proper use of the power that I have and I am more into finesse of handling than outright grunt, so the 2.7 is perfectly fine for me. However this was the first time when I drove the car and felt that I was reaching the limit's of it's abilities. Hopefully that will pass along with the hot spell, and I'll be back to being reduced to 'average' by a capable car.)
https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=3222
Looks very legit but the interior could be a bit much
Looks very legit but the interior could be a bit much
Smollet said:
https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=3222
Looks very legit but the interior could be a bit much
a bit? Looks very legit but the interior could be a bit much
A good 4 or 5 years and 2 sportscars since I had a 986 but the fact I still hang around here speaks volumes.
Looking at a few options but an obvious one might be a 987. Early 3.2, or a really nice 2.7. Somewhere in the 10-15k bracket probably. (It is frankly daft when you think about it, I could go from the absolute bottom Entry point Elise into a ~250hp flat 6 convertible)
- Has anyone here had 986 and 987?
- Is it only 'sport edition' 987.1 2.7s that have the 6 speed box? i haven seen a single other that has had the 6 speed option purportedly available.
- The 987 has less pronounced stagger, but more overall rubber on the road than the 986. Is there too much grip? Do the limits feel higher than the 986? I dont want something that is too locked down.
- Gear ratios - how do they compare? 986 2.7 was the worst of the lot and one of my main bugbears, I am assuming the 987 5 speed ratios are as long or longer than that at least. Does the 6 speed close it up a little?
Fundamentally - My Elise is at one extreme. I love it, its brilliant, it makes you feel amazing - but its difficult to use it on longer trips. I went to GFOS last month, which is a 500 mile round trip down the motorway - so I didnt take the Lotus. I would really have liked to have gone in my 'fun' car not a diesel estate. A Boxster would have been ideal.
And I really really miss having a 'special' engine. I would just regret the change if it ends up feeling too safe, too dull at road speeds, too refined etc... I worry another, even more modern Porsche, might be too much of a swing to the other extreme.
Looking at a few options but an obvious one might be a 987. Early 3.2, or a really nice 2.7. Somewhere in the 10-15k bracket probably. (It is frankly daft when you think about it, I could go from the absolute bottom Entry point Elise into a ~250hp flat 6 convertible)
- Has anyone here had 986 and 987?
- Is it only 'sport edition' 987.1 2.7s that have the 6 speed box? i haven seen a single other that has had the 6 speed option purportedly available.
- The 987 has less pronounced stagger, but more overall rubber on the road than the 986. Is there too much grip? Do the limits feel higher than the 986? I dont want something that is too locked down.
- Gear ratios - how do they compare? 986 2.7 was the worst of the lot and one of my main bugbears, I am assuming the 987 5 speed ratios are as long or longer than that at least. Does the 6 speed close it up a little?
Fundamentally - My Elise is at one extreme. I love it, its brilliant, it makes you feel amazing - but its difficult to use it on longer trips. I went to GFOS last month, which is a 500 mile round trip down the motorway - so I didnt take the Lotus. I would really have liked to have gone in my 'fun' car not a diesel estate. A Boxster would have been ideal.
And I really really miss having a 'special' engine. I would just regret the change if it ends up feeling too safe, too dull at road speeds, too refined etc... I worry another, even more modern Porsche, might be too much of a swing to the other extreme.
Edited by snotrag on Friday 15th July 14:09
Yes, this is stretching 'poverty' but EVERYTHING is multiples more expensive than when this thread started.
But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
snotrag said:
Yes, this is stretching 'poverty' but EVERYTHING is multiples more expensive than when this thread started.
But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
snotrag said:
Yes, this is stretching 'poverty' but EVERYTHING is multiples more expensive than when this thread started.
But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
Why on earth would someone spec it with £9k of extras but not add extended leather? There are acres of textured plastic on that dash and doors.But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...
snotrag said:
- Has anyone here had 986 and 987?
- Is it only 'sport edition' 987.1 2.7s that have the 6 speed box? i haven seen a single other that has had the 6 speed option purportedly available.
- The 987 has less pronounced stagger, but more overall rubber on the road than the 986. Is there too much grip? Do the limits feel higher than the 986? I dont want something that is too locked down.
- Gear ratios - how do they compare? 986 2.7 was the worst of the lot and one of my main bugbears, I am assuming the 987 5 speed ratios are as long or longer than that at least. Does the 6 speed close it up a little?
Six speed box was optional on any 987.1 2.7. Not many ticked the box.- Is it only 'sport edition' 987.1 2.7s that have the 6 speed box? i haven seen a single other that has had the 6 speed option purportedly available.
- The 987 has less pronounced stagger, but more overall rubber on the road than the 986. Is there too much grip? Do the limits feel higher than the 986? I dont want something that is too locked down.
- Gear ratios - how do they compare? 986 2.7 was the worst of the lot and one of my main bugbears, I am assuming the 987 5 speed ratios are as long or longer than that at least. Does the 6 speed close it up a little?
Limits are higher, but you can fit the 17s with 205 fronts and 235 rears to any 987, including 3.2 / 3.4 models, if you want the car to feel more alive and interactive. The 986 feels distinctly more mechanical and old school than the 987, which skinny tyres won't help with. Really depends on what you prefer. But you can't have it all. There are aspects of the drive that are nicer with the 986, others that favour the 987.
Six speed doesn't really give you a low / close ratio feel. It's pretty long legged. They all are.
RM said:
Why on earth would someone spec it with £9k of extras but not add extended leather? There are acres of textured plastic on that dash and doors.
Relatively few specced it. If you look at, say, the 997.2 GTS, which rather weirdly didn't get ext leather in the UK while cooking Carreras and Carrera S models in the UK did (I think ostensibly because it was a pretend Porsche GTx car), quite a few don't have. the extended leather, so you now have megabucks GTS's listed for sale with plastic interiors.Try finding a decent 987.2 Cayman with the cow. Only about one or two in 10 have it.
Generally, whoever was buying these cars in the UK did a s
tastic job speccing them. Most are really badly specced. Quite often when you find a really nicely specced car you'd find it was an ex demo.esotericar said:
Generally, whoever was buying these cars in the UK did a stastic job speccing them. Most are really badly specced. Quite often when you find a really nicely specced car you'd find it was an ex demo.
Mine's decently specced - full leather, seats, xenons, climate, 18s, sports wheel, cruise. Not much I'd add to that. tastic job speccing them. Most are really badly specced. Quite often when you find a really nicely specced car you'd find it was an ex demo.Smollet said:
julian987R said:
It seems after late 2005 the tax jumped significantly that’s why I’m looking at cars at a lower level. I've always found it interesting that people put such a value on the tax bracket.
Does £300 either way really make that much difference in the annual running costs of the vehicle? It's way, way, way down the list of costs I tend to worry about. Just one single unplanned failure, or something like a puncture, would make a bigger different than that?
I've bought a number of great cars in the high tax bracket, and I'm sure I've ended up actually spending less over their whole life with me than I would having paid a premium for a lower tax model! (Vectra VXR prime example, 05/55/06 models used to sell for more than 56s!)
I'm not in anyway suggesting some sort of throwaway attitude to money or budgeting - just that tax is a really easy calculated and planned cost, and there's so many other much more important things to bother or worry about when buying an old Porsche that could blow the budget!
Does £300 either way really make that much difference in the annual running costs of the vehicle? It's way, way, way down the list of costs I tend to worry about. Just one single unplanned failure, or something like a puncture, would make a bigger different than that?
I've bought a number of great cars in the high tax bracket, and I'm sure I've ended up actually spending less over their whole life with me than I would having paid a premium for a lower tax model! (Vectra VXR prime example, 05/55/06 models used to sell for more than 56s!)
I'm not in anyway suggesting some sort of throwaway attitude to money or budgeting - just that tax is a really easy calculated and planned cost, and there's so many other much more important things to bother or worry about when buying an old Porsche that could blow the budget!
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