I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[Smollet]

snotrag said:

I've always found it interesting that people put such a value on the tax bracket.

Does £300 either way really make that much difference in the annual running costs of the vehicle? It's way, way, way down the list of costs I tend to worry about. Just one single unplanned failure, or something like a puncture, would make a bigger different than that?


I've bought a number of great cars in the high tax bracket, and I'm sure I've ended up actually spending less over their whole life with me than I would having paid a premium for a lower tax model! (Vectra VXR prime example, 05/55/06 models used to sell for more than 56s!)


I'm not in anyway suggesting some sort of throwaway attitude to money or budgeting - just that tax is a really easy calculated and planned cost, and there's so many other much more important things to bother or worry about when buying an old Porsche that could blow the budget!

For me I just find it easier to save 60 pints of beer a year than dish out the extra.for what?

[2Btoo]

Good point snotters. However the £300/year increase could be seen as quite a lot.

Insurance is a little over £300, so this could be seen as getting your insurance for free.

Petrol is kicking around £100/fill up, so it's three fill ups for free.

Or, as Smollet said, 60 pints of beer.

Maintenance is probably around the £500/year mark if you DIY, so it's over half your maintenance budget.

I can see good arguments for trying to save £300 where I can.

[shalmaneser]

snotrag said:

Yes, this is stretching 'poverty' but EVERYTHING is multiples more expensive than when this thread started.

But look at it. A perfect example of why spec matters so much on cars like this. Its bright yellow. Its a Porsche. Its got yellow seat belts. Its got 'it' whatever 'it' may be. Lovely.



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225063162942?mkcid=16&a...

Lovely colour but the aerokit (or sportsdesign whatever) looks so tacky.

[Skyedriver]

2Btoo said:

Good point snotters. However the £300/year increase could be seen as quite a lot.

Insurance is a little over £300, so this could be seen as getting your insurance for free.

Petrol is kicking around £100/fill up, so it's three fill ups for free.

Or, as Smollet said, 60 pints of beer.

Maintenance is probably around the £500/year mark if you DIY, so it's over half your maintenance budget.

I can see good arguments for trying to save £300 where I can.

Can I just add that if you have a small collection of say (old Volvo estate, old lotus Excel, Caterham) then coughing up large sums of VED is rather depressing, especially if you re only doing limited mileages in each car.

[Smollet]

Skyedriver said:

Can I just add that if you have a small collection of say (old Volvo estate, old lotus Excel, Caterham) then coughing up large sums of VED is rather depressing, especially if you re only doing limited mileages in each car.

Tony, is that you?

[julian987R]

jimmy p said:

Smollet said:

julian987R said:

It seems after late 2005 the tax jumped significantly that’s why I’m looking at cars at a lower level.

23rd March 2006 was the tax change date, so you can just find an early 06 plate just in the lower tax bracket

The SPORT S was that sum no matter the year. This car you have linked to is not an S but an S Sport or so it says? I could be wrong, and/or the listing.

Edited by julian987R on Friday 15th July 21:16

[ATM]

julian987R said:

Smollet said:

julian987R said:

It seems after late 2005 the tax jumped significantly that’s why I’m looking at cars at a lower level.

that is not the universal rule. Just that the Boxster Sport and Cayman Sport emissions wise meant those 2 were significantly more. For example my CR is after 2005, but half that tax.

The new direct injection engines in Caysters from 2009 ish onwards are much lower emissions and are all therefore in lower tax bands.

Quite a few 2006 onwards Boxster 2.7 litre are in the 600 per year tax bracket but I think some managed to dip until the 350 ish bracket.

[ATM]

Skyedriver said:

Can I just add that if you have a small collection of say (old Volvo estate, old lotus Excel, Caterham) then coughing up large sums of VED is rather depressing, especially if you re only doing limited mileages in each car.

This

I've got 5 cars outside and even though I know that's silly I would hate to pay 600 to tax any of them. That's what's stopping me buying a v10 m6. Always wanted one. Maybe I should just do it.

[Skyedriver]

Smollet said:

Tony, is that you?

It is I.
To whom do I have the pleasure of speaking. Someone who recognises my small fleet.....

[Smollet]

Skyedriver said:

It is I.
To whom do I have the pleasure of speaking. Someone who recognises my small fleet.....

Blatchat. Model aircraft. Photography. Toby.

[Escy]

My understanding on the 2.7 tax is if they had the optional 6 speed it pushed them up to the top rate.

[Autobantz]

Escy said:

My understanding on the 2.7 tax is if they had the optional 6 speed it pushed them up to the top rate.

I'm confused by this...

Wouldn't more gears reduce its CO2 emissions?

[Escy]

It depends on how they do the testing. I'm not certain but have definitely read on a forum somewhere this was the reason for it. Easy to know, anyone got a 5 speed that's full fat tax? Mine is a 2007 5 speed and it's cheaper tax.

[ATM]

Escy said:

Mine is a 2007 5 speed and it's cheaper tax.

I read somewhere that the earlier 2.7 cars were higher rate tax and then something changed and the newer 2.7 cars were lower rate.

[Skyedriver]

In last nights "I'm a Prime Minister Candidate" Ms Mordaunt said "We need to simplify the tax system" They should start with VED.

[jimmy p]

All 987 cars both 2.7 and 3.2 registered on or before 23rd March 2006 are cheaper rate tax. Then tax rules changed with the introduction of the top tax band for cars emitting more than 225gco2. Therefore all boxsters went into this band in March06. This was until MY07 cars came out where porsche got the co2 of the 5 speed 2.7 below the 225 threshold. Therefore only early cars registered upto 23 march 2006 and the later 5 speed 2.7's have cheaper tax, this all relates to gen1 cars. Gen 2 cars manage to just drop into the cheaper bracket just too!!
Hope this clears it up!!

[kevinon]

Skyedriver said:

In last nights "I'm a Prime Minister Candidate" Ms Mordaunt said "We need to simplify the tax system" They should start with VED.

Indeed - I understand that the tax code runs to 22,000 pages.

So easy to add more; and damn difficult to take away.

[ATM]

jimmy p said:

All 987 cars both 2.7 and 3.2 registered on or before 23rd March 2006 are cheaper rate tax. Then tax rules changed with the introduction of the top tax band for cars emitting more than 225gco2. Therefore all boxsters went into this band in March06. This was until MY07 cars came out where porsche got the co2 of the 5 speed 2.7 below the 225 threshold. Therefore only early cars registered upto 23 march 2006 and the later 5 speed 2.7's have cheaper tax, this all relates to gen1 cars. Gen 2 cars manage to just drop into the cheaper bracket just too!!
Hope this clears it up!!

In summary I was right yes?

[Skyedriver]

Smollet said:

Skyedriver said:

It is I.
To whom do I have the pleasure of speaking. Someone who recognises my small fleet.....

Blatchat. Model aircraft. Photography. Toby.

Hmm, I may have a double, it's a very very long time since I ventured onto Blatchat.

[Smollet]

Skyedriver said:

Hmm, I may have a double, it's a very very long time since I ventured onto Blatchat.

About 8 years for me.