997 without warranty?

[DSM2]

carcrazypop said:

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but if one answer to the 'What if' question could possibly financially ruin you, I think you'd be mad not to give it due consideration regardless of the odds, IMHO.

If £10K or so is going to financially ruin you, perhaps you shouldn't be buying a Porsche in the first place?

[carcrazypop]

DSM2 said:

carcrazypop said:

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but if one answer to the 'What if' question could possibly financially ruin you, I think you'd be mad not to give it due consideration regardless of the odds, IMHO.

If £10K or so is going to financially ruin you, perhaps you shouldn't be buying a Porsche in the first place?

I agree with you, but I've heard of more than one example of people with 996/997's which have engine problems and they can't afford to fix. Sometimes, the desire for a decent set of wheels exceeds their pocket.

[DSM2]

carcrazypop said:

DSM2 said:

carcrazypop said:

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but if one answer to the 'What if' question could possibly financially ruin you, I think you'd be mad not to give it due consideration regardless of the odds, IMHO.

If £10K or so is going to financially ruin you, perhaps you shouldn't be buying a Porsche in the first place?

I agree with you, but I've heard of more than one example of people with 996/997's which have engine problems and they can't afford to fix. Sometimes, the desire for a decent set of wheels exceeds their pocket.

Agreed but I have little sympathy for them or for the 'drive it like you stole it, it's what they were designed for' brigade who then wonder why their abused P and J goes pop.

Incidentally I have a 2007 C2S without warranty. Owned from new, needed a new horn when 4 years old.

[Xstyle]

carcrazypop said:

I agree with you, but I've heard of more than one example of people with 996/997's which have engine problems and they can't afford to fix. Sometimes, the desire for a decent set of wheels exceeds their pocket.

The desire can be VERY strong!

[g7jhp]

RiccardoG said:

Everyone seems to insist you need one, but the older 997s will soon be non eligible for the OPC warranty,

Soon 2014/2015!

[dunnred7]

have done 100k+ miles in 996/997's with no warranty...no regrets/problems

[mollytherocker]

dunnred7 said:

have done 100k+ miles in 996/997's with no warranty...no regrets/problems

I'm that sure that most owners have that experience. It's just that too many haven't.

MTR

[Wozy68]

DSM2 said:

Incidentally I have a 2007 C2S without warranty. Owned from new, needed a new horn when 4 years old.

Reading some of the responses on here, if cars were invented today we would not be allowed to drive them ..... just in case we had a crash and got hurt, after all its a very possible thing that could happen.

[mollytherocker]

anonymous said:

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But isnt that one of the key reasons that they are so cheap? (+ economy etc) If the engines were perceived as bullet proof, surely they would by 5-10k higher value? I believe so anyway.

There is a risk of engine failure that is fully documented. How high that risk is, we can argue until the cows come home. (Maybe they know?)

In some way, shape or form, you have to factor that in to your total ownership cost, more so, the longer you plan to own. If you believe it to be a very low risk and choose to 'risk it', then thats your choice entirely and there is probably a good chance you will be ok.

Personally, I would factor a circa £5k bill into any purchasing decision. If it lasts, then happy days.

MTR

[mollytherocker]

anonymous said:

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I think there are many enthusiasts that would buy a 997 tomorrow for 25k if the engine was bullet proof.

I know this as I am one of them!

MTR

[c4srmsims]

anonymous said:

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Totally agree - most buyers haven't the least interest in rms/ims/scored bores/oval bores/excessive profits/stinky warranty conditions/global warming/supplying their own Mobil 1 at service time.

Classic case of an internet forum having an overinflated sense of self importance.

[c4srmsims]

mollytherocker said:

I think there are many enthusiasts that would buy a 997 tomorrow for 25k if the engine was bullet proof.

I know this as I am one of them!

MTR

I imagine that enthusiasts are a small proportion of the overall market, so it doesn't really matter.

I went to a lot of trouble to renew the warranty on my last one before I sold it (privately) - most buyers didn't have a clue about the whole warranty thing (including the eventual buyer of the car), and frankly having been through the experience of selling many used cars I'd rather not sell to an 'enthusiast'.

Whilst Porsche would never admit it, I think they feel the same.

[mollytherocker]

c4srmsims said:

I imagine that enthusiasts are a small proportion of the overall market, so it doesn't really matter.

I went to a lot of trouble to renew the warranty on my last one before I sold it (privately) - most buyers didn't have a clue about the whole warranty thing (including the eventual buyer of the car), and frankly having been through the experience of selling many used cars I'd rather not sell to an 'enthusiast'.

Whilst Porsche would never admit it, I think they feel the same.

OK, I get what you are saying, but who are these people that are buying older 997's then?

Posers? Whats the average buyer like?

MTR

[c4srmsims]

mollytherocker said:

OK, I get what you are saying, but who are these people that are buying older 997's then?

Posers? Whats the average buyer like?

MTR

That's a really interesting question, and I'm sure the mix changes significantly as the cars age, and is influenced right now by the economic climate (less aspirational purchasers).

The older 997's are now at a price point where they are more broadly affordable.

Having spent a fair bit of time around OPCs for the last few years I'd definitely say 'enthusiasts' are a small minority (of which I would consider myself to be one).

[spyderman8]

Personally, if I bought a 997, I'd almost certainly buy from an OPC to get the warranty - or at least from a reputable indy with their own "proper" warranty. However, to put things in perspective:

2011's results show that out of 7,779,312 tests the most reliable cars in all of Germany are... the Toyota Prius and the Porsche 911.

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/12/13/germany-s-most-r...

[Globs]

spyderman8 said:

Personally, if I bought a 997, I'd almost certainly buy from an OPC to get the warranty - or at least from a reputable indy with their own "proper" warranty. However, to put things in perspective:

2011's results show that out of 7,779,312 tests the most reliable cars in all of Germany are... the Toyota Prius and the Porsche 911.

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/12/13/germany-s-most-r...

MOT test results. Not an indicator of reliability...