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If they are red, it could just mean that someone painted them 
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M030 gave you, if I remember, bigger brakes, LSD and uprated suspension (Koni?).
If your 968 has red calipers it is probably an M030. They did the M030 option on other Porsches, but the spec differed depending on car. 944 Turbo certainly got a suspension upgrade on this option, AFAIK.
I don't know about the brakes, but I think the suspension is similar to the 951 M030, with height adjustable Konis, thicker anti roll bars and uprated bushes. I think the rear shocks have helper springs fitted too.
>> Edited by Basil Brush on Monday 9th September 14:51
Well done on the car SFV, should be fantastic. We'd like a look at a PH meet if you're in the area etc.
I had a 951 (944 Turbo) with M030. It was awesome in the dry, but a real handful in the wet. So much so that I stuck it into a tree on a dark, wet, night!
PS For full 968CS MO30 effect, you'll need to drill small holes in the brake discs as well as painting the calipers red
I had a 951 (944 Turbo) with M030. It was awesome in the dry, but a real handful in the wet. So much so that I stuck it into a tree on a dark, wet, night!
PS For full 968CS MO30 effect, you'll need to drill small holes in the brake discs as well as painting the calipers red
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Sorry. I can't tell my M030s from my M474s?
Here are the differences:
M474:
- Non adjustable Koni shock absorbers all-round
- shorter and stiffer springs at the front
- car 20mm lower
M030:
- Adjustable Koni shock absorbers all-round (but at the rear you have to dismantle everything to get to adjust them!)
- springs shorter and stiffer at the front
- bigger stabilizers
- springs at the rear (the only version to get springs at the rear with the 944 Turbo Cup)
- different steering knuckles
- different wheel hubs
- bigger discs
- bigger brake calipers
- different brake lines and hoses
...and I didn't even mention the compulsory rubber bushes, adjusting nuts, etc.
So if you plan to buy a car and retro fit the M030
sport chassis, you better have around £3000 in your pockets (I know about it, a friend did it on his 944S2).
And the M474 disappeared with the 944; only the
M030 was available new on the 968, be it a CS or not.
So if you happen to buy a 968CS whithout the M030, you cant still retrofit some M474 equivalent, which is IMO well enough and much less expensive.
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I guess the main give away will be if it has adjustable shocks.
Not necessarily; a friend of mine has a 944 Turbo convertible with the M030 on the option sticker, but has the non-adjustable Konis...proof that the previous owner didn't want to/couldn't pay for adjustable ones.
If your 968 has springs at the rear, you can be sure it's a 'true' M030
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what do none-M030 cars have instead?
No springs at all, only the shock absorbers!
Actually you might not be aware that ALL 924/944/968 (except 944 Turbo Cup and M030-fitted 968) were built without springs at the rear
Here is a picture of heavily modified 968 fitted with 944 Turbo Cup rear suspension (therefore fitted with springs) :
PS: how are you Kevin? It's been a long time!
>> Edited by Thom on Tuesday 10th September 06:52
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I had a 951 (944 Turbo) with M030. It was awesome in the dry, but a real handful in the wet. So much so that I stuck it into a tree on a dark, wet, night!
What's the saying about a bad work man Domster?
LOL, yeah, I was driving like a tit at the time! That said, it was quite a dangerous car. It could oversteer on turn-in in the dry, which I always think is a bit dodgy. There have only been a few homicidal cars I've driven - the E38 3.8 M5 was lethal in the wet - sideways when accelerating in a straight line. In comparison, the Lotus Carlton was a pussy cat.
Scottster had the car before me, and he's a competent chap behind the wheel, after abusing a Cossie for years before hand. He still managed to spin the 944 Turbo a couple of times by mistake!! It was that kind of car - X-certificate.
Either the RS is a better car, or I am less of a tit behind the wheel, but it feels a lot safer than my old 944 turbo.
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Sorry. I can't tell my M030s from my M474s?
Here are the differences:
Thom, my original comment was a very poor joke I realise. Thanks for the info.
The non-M030 968CS came with 1" lower, uprated non-adjustable suspension as standard, which I think is pretty much the old M474 944 setup.
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I had a 951 (944 Turbo) with M030. It was awesome in the dry, but a real handful in the wet. So much so that I stuck it into a tree on a dark, wet, night!
What's the saying about a bad work man Domster?
LOL, yeah, I was driving like a tit at the time! That said, it was quite a dangerous car. It could oversteer on turn-in in the dry, which I always think is a bit dodgy. There have only been a few homicidal cars I've driven - the E38 3.8 M5 was lethal in the wet - sideways when accelerating in a straight line. In comparison, the Lotus Carlton was a pussy cat.
Scottster had the car before me, and he's a competent chap behind the wheel, after abusing a Cossie for years before hand. He still managed to spin the 944 Turbo a couple of times by mistake!! It was that kind of car - X-certificate.
Either the RS is a better car, or I am less of a tit behind the wheel, but it feels a lot safer than my old 944 turbo.
I guess the 'slightly' on-off throttle didn't help too much either.
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