Silver 993 c2s at HWM
Discussion
Anyone got any thoughts on this car? It's up for £59k which seems steep, but then the classic Porsche market these days seems mad, plus there aren't any others for sale! The aero kit was factory-fitted, though I think I prefer the split spoiler look. There is a gap in the service history from 2004 to 2009 and 15k miles, though it seems the mileage was done and then it went into storage for 5 years.
Appreciate any comments/advice.
Appreciate any comments/advice.
Yep, it's interesting. I generally subscribe to the 'less is more' ethos with 911s - Coupe, manual, 2wd, basic options, is best.
But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.
I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.
Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.
I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.
Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Seany88 said:
I have read a couple of things about them, but they are the only ones with C2s's in! Is it really bad news?
You are buying the car not the dealer, that said in my very real experience assume:History is BS
Everything the dealer says is BS
Mileage is BS
For the benefit of doubt and name/shame rules none of the above is particular to HWM of course
Geneve said:
Yep, it's interesting. I generally subscribe to the 'less is more' ethos with 911s - Coupe, manual, 2wd, basic options, is best.
But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.
I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.
Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Less understeer in the C4 variant? No way, it's the opposite. I wonder if the tracking on the two C2s you had was not right (I know one was new) - the C4s will definitely understeer more and, some say the steering is more 'planted' - which really means heavier, less feeling and less 911-like.But, with two exceptions - the 993 and the 991. In both cases, as pure driver's cars, I preferred the C4 variants.
I bought a new 993 C2 in 1994 and another C2 in 1996, covering about 40k mls. Yet, everytime I've driven a C4 I've preferred the steering, turn in (less understeer) and chassis control - and never with any sensation of extra weight or complexity.
Not driven the wide bodied C2S or C4S, but the nicest 993 C4 I drove had the 18" wheels and factory lowered suspension and felt fabulous. Something like this - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
I also prefer C4 to C2. With the C2 the traction is fully at the rear, so the fronts have to overcome that dominance, hence the traditional 911 understeer. But, with the exception of the 964 C4, the revised awd systems have given the front end more bite, so better 'turn-in' makes sense. With each generation the weight penalty has been reduced but, again, a bit more weight distribution up front reduces the 'bobbing' and makes it feel more planted.
Both good though and I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other, it's very subtle and a personal choice. Do prefer varioram on a 993 though.
Both good though and I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other, it's very subtle and a personal choice. Do prefer varioram on a 993 though.
Koln-RS said:
I also prefer C4 to C2. With the C2 the traction is fully at the rear, so the fronts have to overcome that dominance, hence the traditional 911 understeer. But, with the exception of the 964 C4, the revised awd systems have given the front end more bite, so better 'turn-in' makes sense.
Makes no sense to me at all and I'm a race engineer. All other things being equal a C4 should understeer (slightly) more than a C2 due to a slightly more forward CofG and a bit of torque going through the front wheels. The steering would be a bit heavier with a C4 and probably confuses things for most people i.e. they associate weight with grip. BTW understeer is not exactly inherent in a 911, it's merely a safety net built into the setup. Or maybe I should be looking at an alternative career?!Scooty100 said:
Was tempted to tell up this dealer about a car but maybe if they have a bad rep.
I have a fairy local Aircoled Specialist to me but have heard some worrying reports about them in the last 12 months.
Seems a bit of a minefield
Try google but most HWM threads are removed or stopped due to the website name and shame policy, ie you cannot publicly criticise an advertiser by name, that should confirm your google searchI have a fairy local Aircoled Specialist to me but have heard some worrying reports about them in the last 12 months.
Seems a bit of a minefield
I have experienced them twice, baffles me but they get some nice kit in
Might be worth taking risk on a regularly serviced car with files of paperwork, all independently verifiable. With a very low miles car with a big history gap I would run and never look back. Also their starting prices are humorous to say the least
Might be worth taking risk on a regularly serviced car with files of paperwork, all independently verifiable. With a very low miles car with a big history gap I would run and never look back. Also their starting prices are humorous to say the least
Scooty100 said:
Adam B said:
Try google but most HWM threads are removed or stopped due to the website name and shame policy, ie you cannot publicly criticise an advertiser by name, that should confirm your google search
Hi Adam tks for post have done some google searches and seen some reviews not good! I'm possibly looking into so kind of back date looking car maybe but aircooled obviously .
Maybe HWM aren't renounced for this
The Friday before the Tuesday that you started the thread? Oops. Did you sign a contract to purchase? Did you get a receipt? I suggest a little early for trading standards. Simply ask for the money back with a deadline that is practical and acceptable. If or when they do not meet that, move to a next step which I guess would be to start a small claims proceeding and contact trading standards. Many lawyers on here with more concrete advice than mine.
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