GT3 vs CSL - few questions
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Hi Guys,
I'm about to change my Z3M for either a GT3 or a CSL. Considering both the 1999 car and the 2003 model. Few questions for you all:
1. How much difference is there between the 1999 GT3 and the 2003 car? Know the stats, but how do they stack up on the road and track? I've heard that the earlier cars are slightly better on track, but the later cars are more flexible/compliant.
2. How 'tuneable' is the 1999 car? Anyone out there gone down the sports exhaust + racing cats (or de-cat) + Gruppe M intake + DMS or similar ECU remap. What's the potential gain, power wise (without compromising reliability).
3. How does the GT3 stack up performance wise to the CSL? I've seen the stats, read the reviews, and seen that a lot of CSL owners rate it higher than a GT3 on track despite the performance advantage of the GT3. What are your thoughts/experiences pro-GT3???
Thanks in advance!
I'm about to change my Z3M for either a GT3 or a CSL. Considering both the 1999 car and the 2003 model. Few questions for you all:
1. How much difference is there between the 1999 GT3 and the 2003 car? Know the stats, but how do they stack up on the road and track? I've heard that the earlier cars are slightly better on track, but the later cars are more flexible/compliant.
2. How 'tuneable' is the 1999 car? Anyone out there gone down the sports exhaust + racing cats (or de-cat) + Gruppe M intake + DMS or similar ECU remap. What's the potential gain, power wise (without compromising reliability).
3. How does the GT3 stack up performance wise to the CSL? I've seen the stats, read the reviews, and seen that a lot of CSL owners rate it higher than a GT3 on track despite the performance advantage of the GT3. What are your thoughts/experiences pro-GT3???
Thanks in advance!
Fantastic thread guys - really good info!
For my part I reckon ABS is undesirable on track but worthwhile on road...it's not for the occasions when you're focused and in the groove (with no pedestrians/drivers that lack any sort of spatial awareness around), it's for the times when you're late en-route home from work, or encounter a diesel spill/muddy road right in a braking zone...
Saying that, I had no ABS on my 911 G50 Carrera and I never missed it despite giving the car serious stick on quite a few occasions...I recall using engine braking (with heel/toe) on entry to balance the car back then...so I reckon Steve's spot on.
Still interested to have any thoughts on the Manthey conversion. I'm thinking that (despite some posts advocating the standard setup) that a Mk1 with Manthey suspension will out-perform a Mk2 pretty much everywhere. Thoughts?
Leaning (heavily) towards a Mk1 car in the wake of all this info...and yes, I agree that the GT3 is 'more special' than the CSL.
One thing that most people seem to ignore is that (despite the likely fact that the CSL IS almost certainly easier to drive close to the limit than a GT3) the GT3 has way more grunt. In the real world (fast road driving), having substantially better acceleration has got to be a major advantage...especially with Manthey K400, suspension, and brakes fitted
For my part I reckon ABS is undesirable on track but worthwhile on road...it's not for the occasions when you're focused and in the groove (with no pedestrians/drivers that lack any sort of spatial awareness around), it's for the times when you're late en-route home from work, or encounter a diesel spill/muddy road right in a braking zone...
Saying that, I had no ABS on my 911 G50 Carrera and I never missed it despite giving the car serious stick on quite a few occasions...I recall using engine braking (with heel/toe) on entry to balance the car back then...so I reckon Steve's spot on.
Still interested to have any thoughts on the Manthey conversion. I'm thinking that (despite some posts advocating the standard setup) that a Mk1 with Manthey suspension will out-perform a Mk2 pretty much everywhere. Thoughts?
Leaning (heavily) towards a Mk1 car in the wake of all this info...and yes, I agree that the GT3 is 'more special' than the CSL.
One thing that most people seem to ignore is that (despite the likely fact that the CSL IS almost certainly easier to drive close to the limit than a GT3) the GT3 has way more grunt. In the real world (fast road driving), having substantially better acceleration has got to be a major advantage...especially with Manthey K400, suspension, and brakes fitted
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