At least Dick Turpin wore a mask....
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OK so I am going to get slated here, but just got back from an OPC where I went (with totally serious purchasing intent) to look at a GT3. I need cheering up and that would be just the ticket.
So I view the car, lovely thing.
Then comes the problem. The car I bought from OPC 18 months ago for £38k is now, apparently, a worthless piece of rubbish. Their opening offer? £24k. Even Henry (bless him) bid me £27k to buy the car outright!!
So that's £14k in 18 months then, is it?!
And this on a car which has four new tyres, a fresh OPC service and a Porsche warranty.
So I shall be selling privately and buying from a Specialist, then bunging the Porsche warranty on it.
"Teeves."
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 5th September 10:19
c2dtg said:
I dread the day when I want to (hopefully) move up in the world of Porsche ownership and have to endure the rigours of shifting mine (despite of course telling Mrs C2 that the Porsche purchase would be my last 
)
The sad thing is a) no one will be surprised at what has happened to you and b) Mr Turpin and his merry men will try to sticker your car for £30k plus
Think you have the right idea. Get shot of yours via a process where you won't feel robbed, and buy the new wheels will a fist full of cash burning a hole in your pocket.
In fact, if you are feeling particularly entertaining, try making Nervy an offer for his given his comments in a previous thread you started......
) The sad thing is a) no one will be surprised at what has happened to you and b) Mr Turpin and his merry men will try to sticker your car for £30k plus
Think you have the right idea. Get shot of yours via a process where you won't feel robbed, and buy the new wheels will a fist full of cash burning a hole in your pocket.
In fact, if you are feeling particularly entertaining, try making Nervy an offer for his given his comments in a previous thread you started......
The funniest thing was that they had a similar car, a year older (though admitteldy with half the mielage) for £37k
rumplestiltskin said:
I would imagine if you opened a KY Jelly shop at the entrance to every OPC in the country you would be seriously rich very quickly.
R.
PS: I often wondered why there was a big soft mat by the exit to all the OPC's - its to stop you hurting yourself when you fall over on the way out because your trousers are round your ankles.
R.
R.
PS: I often wondered why there was a big soft mat by the exit to all the OPC's - its to stop you hurting yourself when you fall over on the way out because your trousers are round your ankles.
R.
jdh1 said:
Yes, they'll rip you off, but looked at your profile. Looks like you've piled 24,000 miles on the car. You've got to expect some kind of hit for that. To make you feel better, I dropped £12,000 on a Ferrari 355 in about half that time, and I only added 1500 miles.
I agree. And to be fair, I have almost doubled the mileage on a seven year old car in 18 months, so a drop of £11k in 19 months is not so bad compared to the BMWs I had before.
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about my car depreciating - that's life - it's just that I object to having my pants pulled down when I go to trade in. If Henry (bless him) can offer me three grand MORE than the OPC when I'm not even buying another car off him then the OPC are clearly aiming for penetration.
c2dtg said:
rumplestiltskin said:
I would imagine if you opened a KY Jelly shop at the entrance to every OPC in the country you would be seriously rich very quickly.
R.
PS: I often wondered why there was a big soft mat by the exit to all the OPC's - its to stop you hurting yourself when you fall over on the way out because your trousers are round your ankles.
R.
R.
PS: I often wondered why there was a big soft mat by the exit to all the OPC's - its to stop you hurting yourself when you fall over on the way out because your trousers are round your ankles.
R.
You know it always surprises me that you get a bottle of champagne when collecting your new car from an OPC.
I would have thought some kind of lubricant would be far more handy, ready for trade in time.
I'd love to see that.
"For madam, some flowers and champagne rto say thanks for buying from us."
"What's this?"
"That's the anal lube for when you want a change."
derestrictor said:
Dear God.
I remember in the late 90s seeing what a (BMW) dealer would give me for a pristine 928S4.
They offered me something circa £4.5k, I sh1t you not.
Selling the car two or three years later to a fellow human, rather than some sleek, underwater predator, it went for £13k.
I will never buy another new car again, it's a mug's game and there's simply too much value to be enjoyed elsewhere.
For example, I was looking at ditching my old M5 for something a bit more sparkling but when I think about it, the differential will not be that tremendous (via say, an admittedly stonking EVO 340) and for less than the value of the required trade-in plus dosh for el replacement, I could instead, accidentally ditch the boss's rattly old LC Tdi for 5.5 litres of prime Aw My Gawd Chelsea agric machinery, something which will have lost £35-£40 for a similar mileage on the odo and whilst being far from the last word in uber chic, Cayenne-baiting, dynamic school runnery, has the necessary onion quotient to expend profane buckets of 99 octane whilst conveying the tribe to the next burning.
Sensible policies for vaguely viable performance stablery.
Buckley.
I remember in the late 90s seeing what a (BMW) dealer would give me for a pristine 928S4.
They offered me something circa £4.5k, I sh1t you not.
Selling the car two or three years later to a fellow human, rather than some sleek, underwater predator, it went for £13k.
I will never buy another new car again, it's a mug's game and there's simply too much value to be enjoyed elsewhere.
For example, I was looking at ditching my old M5 for something a bit more sparkling but when I think about it, the differential will not be that tremendous (via say, an admittedly stonking EVO 340) and for less than the value of the required trade-in plus dosh for el replacement, I could instead, accidentally ditch the boss's rattly old LC Tdi for 5.5 litres of prime Aw My Gawd Chelsea agric machinery, something which will have lost £35-£40 for a similar mileage on the odo and whilst being far from the last word in uber chic, Cayenne-baiting, dynamic school runnery, has the necessary onion quotient to expend profane buckets of 99 octane whilst conveying the tribe to the next burning.
Sensible policies for vaguely viable performance stablery.
Buckley.
Egad. The Brigadier has finally lost it
jonny996 said:
I just looked at your profile.
a 2000 996 3.4 C2 coupe Tip with 54000 miles on the clock ? am I missing anything?
Now that sounds remarkibaly similar to my car, and I would have thought £24k starting trade in price from OPC no to bad, as for Henrys £27k, he wont be making that much on this one if he sells it at bug price.
You cannot look at there forecourt and assume you will get top money because they sell at top money, no matter where you trade in you will only get trade price, & maybe some one in the trade can give us the trade price for the car above. I know I would not be to disapointed if I went to 911virgin to trade up & he offered me £27k as a trade in.
a 2000 996 3.4 C2 coupe Tip with 54000 miles on the clock ? am I missing anything?
Now that sounds remarkibaly similar to my car, and I would have thought £24k starting trade in price from OPC no to bad, as for Henrys £27k, he wont be making that much on this one if he sells it at bug price.
You cannot look at there forecourt and assume you will get top money because they sell at top money, no matter where you trade in you will only get trade price, & maybe some one in the trade can give us the trade price for the car above. I know I would not be to disapointed if I went to 911virgin to trade up & he offered me £27k as a trade in.
OK, right then. Who's got a Glass's Guide.
2000 Carrera 2 Tip S 54k miles.
c2dtg said:
Whilst we are on the subject of GT3's, I heard a funny story recently.
The GT3 RS came as standard without aircon (I believe this was an option) the idea specfically designed for those who wanted a standard car as stripped out as possbile.
Needless to say a punter spec's the car without air on the advice of the OPC salesman.
What did he get told when coming to trade the car in a year later? you have guessed it - low bid beacuse the car doesn't have air con!!!
The GT3 RS came as standard without aircon (I believe this was an option) the idea specfically designed for those who wanted a standard car as stripped out as possbile.
Needless to say a punter spec's the car without air on the advice of the OPC salesman.
What did he get told when coming to trade the car in a year later? you have guessed it - low bid beacuse the car doesn't have air con!!!
LOLLERS
The other bit that got me was this.
I asked why he was bidding so low when he was obviously making a a decent profit on the GT3, so surely he could make a bit less on mine to get a deal done and shift some metal.
"Oh no, sir, I've only got £1800 profit in the GT3." This on a £60k car!!
What utter cock rot.
I asked why he was bidding so low when he was obviously making a a decent profit on the GT3, so surely he could make a bit less on mine to get a deal done and shift some metal.
"Oh no, sir, I've only got £1800 profit in the GT3." This on a £60k car!!
What utter cock rot.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 5th September 17:10
c2dtg said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
The other bit that got me was this.
I asked why he was bidding so low when he was obviously making a a decent profit on the GT3, so surely he could make a bit less on mine to get a deal done and shift some metal.
"Oh no, sir, I've only got £1800 profit in the GT3." This on a £60k car!!
What utter cock rot.
I asked why he was bidding so low when he was obviously making a a decent profit on the GT3, so surely he could make a bit less on mine to get a deal done and shift some metal.
"Oh no, sir, I've only got £1800 profit in the GT3." This on a £60k car!!
What utter cock rot.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 5th September 17:10
This salesman chappie did he:
a) perhaps assume you were born yesterday?
b) have the appearance of a small wooden boy whose nose grew progressively longer everytime he spun one of those lines?
But lets forget all that - what was the spec/price/colour combo of the jallopy you were interested in? Did an OPC search earlier, could only find the white RS in London but over the other side of town from you
I'd rather not say to avoid naming and shaming - which isn't cricket.
Clearly though I was born yesterday though...
markmullen said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
OK, right then. Who's got a Glass's Guide.
2000 Carrera 2 Tip S 54k miles.
2000 Carrera 2 Tip S 54k miles.
On a V it books at 26375 at 32k
on a W it books at 27050 at 32k
Mileage isn't adjusted on these in Glass's as they envisage the car doing much less than average mileage (as an example a 3 series BMW is expected to have done 63k on a 2000 W).
TBH £24k sounds like good money to me for a car thats done 169% book mileage.
Best wishes,
Swiss Toni
Oh cheers.
gwp said:
Adam B said:
am I missing something here? you have a signed agreement for a PX value and an order agreed on a new car. Was there something in the Small print that said they could renege on the deal? Or was the PX value subject to change until you got the 997 turbo?
If I was PX I would try and do the deal there and then, and be carless or use 2nd car until new Porsche arrived - they have you over a barrel for re-negotiating when the new car has arrived
My car was traded in early, suggested by OPC to gain highest resale value(for them I suppose)My new car is not expected until late October.
I signed on the day for the spec and confirmed order of the new car, I also signed over ownership to the OPC of my current car(trade in).
The figures worked out were ones required to pay off existing finance on the current car. Cheques were written by me, to clear the finance based upon the trade in value by the OPC.
The day after this is when the Head sales guy said he would no longer honour the valuation and they will now be looking for an addition cheque from me to make up for the repairs.
As I saw it at the time the figures were agreed, papers and cheques signed.. and handshakes accepted. It was a finalised deal.
If you sold your used car and the guy who purchased off you called the day following and said, I think I want the front end respraying and a new windowscreen, will you give me back some of my money, what do you think your reply may be ?
For me, this is no longer about the monies, I readily accept that the OPC is not the best value for a trade in..
Its more about, can they do this, did they break an agreed contract with me and customer service..
Thank you for your opinions on this, I'm hoping I've not become blinkered with anger..
GP
Edited by gwp on Wednesday 6th September 10:19
Let's be very clear about this - they gave you a trade in price, you went to take the car in to do the deal and then they went over it again and said "oh, sorry, it's got a few more chips than we thought we're knocking £1600 off."
Tell them, in words of one syllable, that you had a deal, and that they are f
d well going to honour it. If the salesman over valued your car it's HIS FAULT. They can get it back out of his wages. This is c
ish behaviour. Phone the dealer principal IMMEDIATELY, and explain that having bought a £100k car off them you don't expect to be treated like a w@nker. This sounds to me like the sales guy screwed up, the senior sales guy is trying to wriggle out of it. The dealer pricinple will likely take your side and administer a b0llocking.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Wednesday 6th September 10:44
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Wednesday 6th September 10:53
Adam B said:
gwp said:
I signed on the day for the spec and confirmed order of the new car, I also signed over ownership to the OPC of my current car(trade in).
and this is my point - tell them to go **** themselves (in the polite-ist possible way), I would take this all the way 1. dealer principal 2. Porsche UK Reading 3. Small claims court / watchdog / every website in the land.
seriously do not put up with this, do not get angry, take it higher (if no joy then get extremely angry)
Yes sir. Fact is that their employee made a commitment biding on the OPC. If someone higher up doesn't like it, their beef is with the sales gimpoid not you.
Ring the dealer principal, right now, and do not take no for an answer. Let us know what happens.
bennno said:
Problem with this is that the guy p/x'ing the Turbo which needs a repaint and screen will probably get his deal honoured. If you tell the OPC you have deal and if they want to back out you will expect your old finance package to be reinstated in exact terms (this is almost impossible).
But the opc will then have to fit new brakes, repaint front end, fit new screen, probably change a couple of tyres, add a warranty, service car, finance the stock on their forecourt then sell at a realistic price to cover this.
A pheader in turn will buy it and in due course come back on this forum and say he hes been robbed as his new car has dropped 10k minimum!!
Bennno
Benno, I haven't been robbed as I didn't fall for it. I was merely remarking that they are trying it on....!!
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