Discussion
As noone else has said yet, I will... I've placed an order for a Diesel Cayenne in September.
Not something I ever thought I would say; Porsche + Diesel (or Cayenne)!
We've spent months looking at "everything" and the only items that came close were the 2010 RRS and the 2011 Cayenne. We went with the diesel option as that was the only RRS we were considering so a direct comparison worked well, and it suits our needs better. In the end the reasons why we picked the KN over the RRS were we preferred the exterior, the choice of options allowed us to have just what we wanted and it was... well, more exciting. We really like the new RRS and there wasn't anything we didn't like, but for the same cost this pips it - and we do love the whole Porsche "thing". Ok so we added a few more options than we would have with the RRS but they had the choice available to do so!
Although we loved how the old one drove, we didn't like the interior or exterior and this one is like a completely different car. Yes, we've placed an order for it before driving it (as we did with a Cayman some years back!) but are confident in the brand to know we're not going to be disappointed. Oh, and it'll never go off road or on a track - like 95% of owners I guess!
Plan is to sell the 911 privately in June / July.
Interestingly the dealer configuration system was different to the public system, although it appears to be the same source. For example, for a UK car you HAVE to have a sunroof or panoramic roof, parking sensors or reverse camera & parking sensors, 100 litre tank, floor mats. The 'expresso' interior isn't on the public site but is on the dealer's, and then there are a other items that are listed but aren't yet available to order. Strange, as I would have thought everyone would use the same system. Anyway..
A final point of note is we ordered this from a dealer other than the one we purchased the last two from as a direct result of the service not being up to scratch.
Options
Outside
- Diesel
- Sand White
- Stainless steel front apron
- Panoramic Roof System
- 100 litres fuel tank
- Servotronic
- Air suspension including PASM
- 20" Spyder wheel
- Bi-Xenon lighting system including Porsche Dynamic Light System
- Deletion of model designation
- Privacy glass
Inside
- Expresso natural leather interior
- Walnut interior package
- Heated three-spoke multi-function steering wheel, leather
- Standard seats
- Heated front seats
- Porsche crest on headrests
- Driver memory package
- Light comfort package
- Floor mats
- Porsche Communication Management including navigation module
- Reversing camera including ParkAssist front and rear
- Voice Control
- Telephone module
- BOSE Surround Sound
- Universal audio package (iPod)
Should look something like this
The baby is due to arrive on the same day as the car. Could be interesting...!
Not something I ever thought I would say; Porsche + Diesel (or Cayenne)!
We've spent months looking at "everything" and the only items that came close were the 2010 RRS and the 2011 Cayenne. We went with the diesel option as that was the only RRS we were considering so a direct comparison worked well, and it suits our needs better. In the end the reasons why we picked the KN over the RRS were we preferred the exterior, the choice of options allowed us to have just what we wanted and it was... well, more exciting. We really like the new RRS and there wasn't anything we didn't like, but for the same cost this pips it - and we do love the whole Porsche "thing". Ok so we added a few more options than we would have with the RRS but they had the choice available to do so!
Although we loved how the old one drove, we didn't like the interior or exterior and this one is like a completely different car. Yes, we've placed an order for it before driving it (as we did with a Cayman some years back!) but are confident in the brand to know we're not going to be disappointed. Oh, and it'll never go off road or on a track - like 95% of owners I guess!
Plan is to sell the 911 privately in June / July.
Interestingly the dealer configuration system was different to the public system, although it appears to be the same source. For example, for a UK car you HAVE to have a sunroof or panoramic roof, parking sensors or reverse camera & parking sensors, 100 litre tank, floor mats. The 'expresso' interior isn't on the public site but is on the dealer's, and then there are a other items that are listed but aren't yet available to order. Strange, as I would have thought everyone would use the same system. Anyway..
A final point of note is we ordered this from a dealer other than the one we purchased the last two from as a direct result of the service not being up to scratch.
Options
Outside
- Diesel
- Sand White
- Stainless steel front apron
- Panoramic Roof System
- 100 litres fuel tank
- Servotronic
- Air suspension including PASM
- 20" Spyder wheel
- Bi-Xenon lighting system including Porsche Dynamic Light System
- Deletion of model designation
- Privacy glass
Inside
- Expresso natural leather interior
- Walnut interior package
- Heated three-spoke multi-function steering wheel, leather
- Standard seats
- Heated front seats
- Porsche crest on headrests
- Driver memory package
- Light comfort package
- Floor mats
- Porsche Communication Management including navigation module
- Reversing camera including ParkAssist front and rear
- Voice Control
- Telephone module
- BOSE Surround Sound
- Universal audio package (iPod)
Should look something like this
The baby is due to arrive on the same day as the car. Could be interesting...!
Edited by pikey on Tuesday 6th April 13:02
thegoose said:
pikey said:
As no-one else has said yet, I will... I've placed an order for a Diesel Cayenne in September.
Not something I ever thought I would say; Porsche + Diesel (or Cayenne)!
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Options - Deletion of model designation
Not something I ever thought I would say; Porsche + Diesel (or Cayenne)!
.......
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Options - Deletion of model designation
Perhaps I like the thought of a diesel, but not anyone to know!Mind you, when I get a tree hugger saying I'm killing the planet I'll wish the badge was still there
cayman-black said:
Pikey, that is the same colour combo i am thinking about. The expresso colour is the new coco is this right?. Your car is around £63k right?. Any way well done and keeps us up to date on it.
It is a new colour that is on the dealer configurator but not the public. However they have physical samples in the centre.Cost is less than the figure you have above.
edo said:
pikey said:
For example, for a UK car you HAVE to have a sunroof or panoramic roof, parking sensors or reverse camera & parking sensors, 100 litre tank, floor mats.
Sounds fishy to me.F430F1 said:
pikey said:
edo said:
pikey said:
For example, for a UK car you HAVE to have a sunroof or panoramic roof, parking sensors or reverse camera & parking sensors, 100 litre tank, floor mats.
Sounds fishy to me.You don't have to have the 3rd year warranty either that is on the public system.
PS. Expresso is on public configurator, and also the stealth tax roof, mats and park assist. Just pushed my spec to £60k. My old configuartions won't load up now either - probably due to these changes.
Edited by F430F1 on Thursday 1st April 18:57
We took the 3rd year warranty off ours as it's no difference if you purchase it now or in 2 years time.
DanH said:
pikey said:
DanH said:
I wouldn't get one without air. Ride was infinitely better on previous gen and suspect will be the same with this one.
Yes, but the other one was much, much heavier. The new RRS is much heavier than the new Cayenne was the thought in my mind!Referring to your point, the current model(s) we tested previously were PASM and we were quite happy with the ride.
pikey said:
F430F1 said:
pikey said:
edo said:
pikey said:
For example, for a UK car you HAVE to have a sunroof or panoramic roof, parking sensors or reverse camera & parking sensors, 100 litre tank, floor mats.
Sounds fishy to me.You don't have to have the 3rd year warranty either that is on the public system.
PS. Expresso is on public configurator, and also the stealth tax roof, mats and park assist. Just pushed my spec to £60k. My old configuartions won't load up now either - probably due to these changes.
Edited by F430F1 on Thursday 1st April 18:57
Buttons only thanks
Got two brochures, dealer sent me one and so did Porsche.
Yes, should be going to the launch.
And after speaking to some people who've had air and some with no air, I changed it for air.. and changed the wheels from 21s to 20s as a wider range (ie. winter) tyres are available. (Cost is about the same as the 21s came with the arch extension as mandatory option.)
The Walnut's staying though!
Got two brochures, dealer sent me one and so did Porsche.
Yes, should be going to the launch.
And after speaking to some people who've had air and some with no air, I changed it for air.. and changed the wheels from 21s to 20s as a wider range (ie. winter) tyres are available. (Cost is about the same as the 21s came with the arch extension as mandatory option.)
The Walnut's staying though!
heihei said:
Hmmmm - there goes your taste Pikey, disappearing down the same boulevard as Dubbs!!!
Adam, I presume? Funny, I was going to mail you to tell you what we went for in the end!
Firstly, I never had any taste - you know that!
Secondly, now you've got the Porsche bug, once you see this I reckon you're going to be down to your friends in Guildford again for a BM replacement!
Seems a fairly popular choice...
Porsche Press release said:
The new generation Porsche Cayenne went on sale on May 29, and in the four weeks since over 16,000 orders have been received worldwide. Building on the proven qualities of the prior model, which has become the biggest selling Porsche in the company’s history, the new Cayenne features a driver-oriented chassis that has been designed to combine sports car handling on the road with the added versatility of being able to cover ground quickly and safely, regardless of the terrain.
Link (I don't normally read that site, but it popped up in Google. Honest!!)Car arrived last week and I picked it up on Friday.
In the last 4 days I've done 600 miles in town, motorways, A roads, twisty fun B roads and a wet field at 25% incline during hot sunshine, heavy rain and dark. I've driven it on my own, and with 5 people + dog + boot of luggage + mud/grass/dirt.
F**k me, it's good!
In the last 4 days I've done 600 miles in town, motorways, A roads, twisty fun B roads and a wet field at 25% incline during hot sunshine, heavy rain and dark. I've driven it on my own, and with 5 people + dog + boot of luggage + mud/grass/dirt.
F**k me, it's good!
There are far better reviewers than me, but for those who might be interested in what I think...
Drive
This one has air suspension with Sport/Normal/Comfort settings. Normal does pretty much what you want most of the time, but if you're cruising on the motorway comfort mode gives a brilliant 'wafting' feeling. If on a twisty B road the sport mode firms everything up so much there is no roll. Really - it goes exactly where you point it, at pretty much any speed with total precision. During the same fun roads I've been on in my 997, this will flow round with the same poise, elegance, smoothness and confidence. It's absolutely bizarre - as you're driving it you think it makes no sense! The steering is perfectly weighted with just the right amount of feedback.
Pressing the 'sport' button will also do things to the engine map, turbo and gearbox so the power is immediately on tap. Although it takes a while to get going (it's not sluggish though), once it is and the turbos remain spinning, the power is ample to do more than you want it to do. It really is very, very fast.
The 8 speed gearbox is silky and often can change gear without you knowing it. Driven hard it's more obvious and in sport mode it's harsher, but for normal use is excellent.
Brakes - so far I've not used them in anger but I would say they're typically Porsche.. big enough to give you all the power you would need to stop quickly, in control, in whatever the circumstances. Nice feeling too - not too sharp nor does the pedal travel too much before the braking comes in.
The sound deadening and insulation is excellent, which is a good thing as it's a diesel! Under load you can just hear the turbos whistling, but that's about it.
The ride is extremely comfortable and on long (and short!) journeys leave you wanting for nothing more. My passenger is a) heavily pregnant and b) suffering from a lack of sleep and her opinion? "The most comfortable place in the world"
Stop/Start
This has had quite a bad rap from people commenting on other manufacturer's version of Stop/Start but Porsche's version is good enough to ignore. Basically when the car has all the power it needs and doesn't need the engine, it turns it off when you get to a standstill and your foot is still on the brake. The point it turns the engine back on isn't when you touch the throttle, which is what I initially thought, it's as you release the pressure on the brake pedal. Due to the speed it can restart the engine, by the time you have taken your foot off the pedal and moved it across to the throttle the engine is already running.
It's rather a strange thing to get used to, but you very quickly do. The initial reaction is "well, I'll turn that feature off", but after a while you realise there's no reason to turn it off. (Other than you thinking it's a bit odd!)
Not so sure how this'll work when the car's 4 years old / has done 50,000 miles but when it's brand new, it's perfect.
Interior
We have the full leather option which includes the top of the dashboard, all of the doors and the centre console and this gives a really nice feel. Having seen a car with half leather I definitely think this is worth it. The colours we chose were the 'expresso' ("braaaaaan", as my friends keep pointing out!) and walnut trim. (We wanted cream, but the dealer highlighted with kids this wouldn't be a wise idea!) Of course everyone's got their own opinion on what's nice and what's not but we think it really works and love it.
The panoramic roof is utterly fantastic. I don't know why every Cayenne order doesn't come with this as it gives the car such a great feel. The front section will slide back over the rear. There's an electric blind to close over the whole lot.
The controls are well laid out and the information 'pod' on the dash can show pretty much any item of information you may need including a mini version of the SatNav map. The Bose sounds better than it did in the 997 and the iPod interface works well.
Reversing camera and proximity sensors are very good. The camera helps guide you in with lines showing your projected path with the wheels at that angle. Makes reversing into tight spaces a breeze. The proximity sensors provide feedback through the screen and a lot of information. You can see which area of the car is near, and how near. So rather than just beeps or lights you know how many surfaces this is about to hit at the same time. As it's so big, it's frequently the case that you can have 4 corners at risk as you're parking! Good stuff.
Servotronic (low speed additional steering assistance) - need to try one without to know how much of an improvement it is, but what we have is excellent.
Headlights. Incredible. Never known lights illuminate a road so well, and the thing which lights up the side when you're turning at low speeds is extremely useful when you're lost in a tight country road in the middle of the night! One of those features you don't realise you want until you have it
Fuel consumption
Right, I've only done 600 miles so far and haven't fully tested it, but here are a few snippets from resetting the trip counters
Previous version 3.2 v6 - The new diesel is *much* faster. I found the 3.2 completely underpowered and quite a struggle to drive.
Previous version 4.5 v8 - Ignoring the interior ('cos you have to!), the new diesel feels more nimble, refined and planted. More comfortable, better ride, better driving position, more feedback, better brakes.
What don't I like
Postcode search is 5 digits only. On a premium car where they've charged you a wallop of money for SatNav (that should be included anyway), it's really off that it doesn't have what was a basic feature of a cheap, portable SatNav I purchased in 2005. There was an address I went to this weekend that I couldn't find because I didn't have all the address information in the way it wanted it.
Display brightness in the dark. It auto-dims, but doesn't dim enough and I can't find a way to make it. Driving in a pitch black country road, it's far too distracting. Turning it off turns off the SatNav.
Super slow driving. My parents-in-law have a drive that's on a 15degree slope, has stone walls either side that are underneath the doorline and the drive is just wider than the width of the car. Oh, and has over hanging plants to send the proximity sensors all red! Going up this you want to go incredibly slow, but it can't go slow enough. Probably about 2mph, but a 'crawl' is what's needed. It can do this on a flat slope, but just not on the incline. Guess that's what the 'low transfer box' they removed would be for!
So there we go, think that just about covers it...
Drive
This one has air suspension with Sport/Normal/Comfort settings. Normal does pretty much what you want most of the time, but if you're cruising on the motorway comfort mode gives a brilliant 'wafting' feeling. If on a twisty B road the sport mode firms everything up so much there is no roll. Really - it goes exactly where you point it, at pretty much any speed with total precision. During the same fun roads I've been on in my 997, this will flow round with the same poise, elegance, smoothness and confidence. It's absolutely bizarre - as you're driving it you think it makes no sense! The steering is perfectly weighted with just the right amount of feedback.
Pressing the 'sport' button will also do things to the engine map, turbo and gearbox so the power is immediately on tap. Although it takes a while to get going (it's not sluggish though), once it is and the turbos remain spinning, the power is ample to do more than you want it to do. It really is very, very fast.
The 8 speed gearbox is silky and often can change gear without you knowing it. Driven hard it's more obvious and in sport mode it's harsher, but for normal use is excellent.
Brakes - so far I've not used them in anger but I would say they're typically Porsche.. big enough to give you all the power you would need to stop quickly, in control, in whatever the circumstances. Nice feeling too - not too sharp nor does the pedal travel too much before the braking comes in.
The sound deadening and insulation is excellent, which is a good thing as it's a diesel! Under load you can just hear the turbos whistling, but that's about it.
The ride is extremely comfortable and on long (and short!) journeys leave you wanting for nothing more. My passenger is a) heavily pregnant and b) suffering from a lack of sleep and her opinion? "The most comfortable place in the world"
Stop/Start
This has had quite a bad rap from people commenting on other manufacturer's version of Stop/Start but Porsche's version is good enough to ignore. Basically when the car has all the power it needs and doesn't need the engine, it turns it off when you get to a standstill and your foot is still on the brake. The point it turns the engine back on isn't when you touch the throttle, which is what I initially thought, it's as you release the pressure on the brake pedal. Due to the speed it can restart the engine, by the time you have taken your foot off the pedal and moved it across to the throttle the engine is already running.
It's rather a strange thing to get used to, but you very quickly do. The initial reaction is "well, I'll turn that feature off", but after a while you realise there's no reason to turn it off. (Other than you thinking it's a bit odd!)
Not so sure how this'll work when the car's 4 years old / has done 50,000 miles but when it's brand new, it's perfect.
Interior
We have the full leather option which includes the top of the dashboard, all of the doors and the centre console and this gives a really nice feel. Having seen a car with half leather I definitely think this is worth it. The colours we chose were the 'expresso' ("braaaaaan", as my friends keep pointing out!) and walnut trim. (We wanted cream, but the dealer highlighted with kids this wouldn't be a wise idea!) Of course everyone's got their own opinion on what's nice and what's not but we think it really works and love it.
The panoramic roof is utterly fantastic. I don't know why every Cayenne order doesn't come with this as it gives the car such a great feel. The front section will slide back over the rear. There's an electric blind to close over the whole lot.
The controls are well laid out and the information 'pod' on the dash can show pretty much any item of information you may need including a mini version of the SatNav map. The Bose sounds better than it did in the 997 and the iPod interface works well.
Reversing camera and proximity sensors are very good. The camera helps guide you in with lines showing your projected path with the wheels at that angle. Makes reversing into tight spaces a breeze. The proximity sensors provide feedback through the screen and a lot of information. You can see which area of the car is near, and how near. So rather than just beeps or lights you know how many surfaces this is about to hit at the same time. As it's so big, it's frequently the case that you can have 4 corners at risk as you're parking! Good stuff.
Servotronic (low speed additional steering assistance) - need to try one without to know how much of an improvement it is, but what we have is excellent.
Headlights. Incredible. Never known lights illuminate a road so well, and the thing which lights up the side when you're turning at low speeds is extremely useful when you're lost in a tight country road in the middle of the night! One of those features you don't realise you want until you have it
Fuel consumption
Right, I've only done 600 miles so far and haven't fully tested it, but here are a few snippets from resetting the trip counters
- 20 mins slow London traffic, 10 mins 30mph road, 2 hours motorway, 20 mins spirited B road = 36mpg
- 10 mins 30mph roads, 40 mins motorway, 20 mins A road = 45mpg
- 15 mins swiftly making progress on B roads on sport mode = 21mpg
- Varied suff since I've got it (motorway, A road, B road, field, stuck in traffic, supermarket trip, twisty road tests, some mud) 600 miles = 31.6mpg
Previous version 3.2 v6 - The new diesel is *much* faster. I found the 3.2 completely underpowered and quite a struggle to drive.
Previous version 4.5 v8 - Ignoring the interior ('cos you have to!), the new diesel feels more nimble, refined and planted. More comfortable, better ride, better driving position, more feedback, better brakes.
What don't I like
Postcode search is 5 digits only. On a premium car where they've charged you a wallop of money for SatNav (that should be included anyway), it's really off that it doesn't have what was a basic feature of a cheap, portable SatNav I purchased in 2005. There was an address I went to this weekend that I couldn't find because I didn't have all the address information in the way it wanted it.
Display brightness in the dark. It auto-dims, but doesn't dim enough and I can't find a way to make it. Driving in a pitch black country road, it's far too distracting. Turning it off turns off the SatNav.
Super slow driving. My parents-in-law have a drive that's on a 15degree slope, has stone walls either side that are underneath the doorline and the drive is just wider than the width of the car. Oh, and has over hanging plants to send the proximity sensors all red! Going up this you want to go incredibly slow, but it can't go slow enough. Probably about 2mph, but a 'crawl' is what's needed. It can do this on a flat slope, but just not on the incline. Guess that's what the 'low transfer box' they removed would be for!
So there we go, think that just about covers it...
Edited by pikey on Thursday 29th July 20:44
clorenzen said:
Hi Pikey
Nice write up. I am about to exchange my Range Rover for a new one after 4 years and spent some time in the Porsche West London show room this morning waiting for my 997tt to get fixed (second week in a row that I am there - first a puncture now the rearview mirror fell off the windscreen). The new Cayenne is a big improvement on he old one. The panorama roof looks good too. A new Tdv8 2011 RR is about 8ok - how much did you end up spending on the Cayenne - if you want to reveal it?
Thanks.Nice write up. I am about to exchange my Range Rover for a new one after 4 years and spent some time in the Porsche West London show room this morning waiting for my 997tt to get fixed (second week in a row that I am there - first a puncture now the rearview mirror fell off the windscreen). The new Cayenne is a big improvement on he old one. The panorama roof looks good too. A new Tdv8 2011 RR is about 8ok - how much did you end up spending on the Cayenne - if you want to reveal it?
The Cayenne is more of a direct comparison with an RR Sport father than 'Full Fat' on both price and interior size. However I found (and I think this is opinion rather than fact!) that the Cayenne 'appeared' bigger inside than the RRS. I think if you're considering the two you would need to be sure that the Cayenne can give you the internal space you need. However, no matter how excellent the RR's drive is, at speed the Cayenne excels in comparison. Depends what you're after really.
The spec we ordered (see page 1) was 60 (so diesel with a lot of extras), but the varients are wide so you could spend as little as 40 or as much as 100. A point worth noting is as you go up the range you get more included (ie. SatNav comes with the Turbo) so you can't directly compare the options we have against a higher or lower base model.
Ranger 6 said:
pikey said:
.......Telephone & SatNav. You're driving along with directions on the pod in front of you, the main screen and out of the speakers. A phone call comes in and it shows me the caller details on the pod, the main screen and of course doesn't play audible directions. So for the time you (or in this case your passenger) is on the phone, you don't know where you're going. It won't let you change mode back to directions so you'll be a bit lost for a while....
In the new Touareg there's a display between the dial which you can choose the turning directions - is it a completely different nav system?Ie. main screen on Tuner, dial/pod on navigation. Call comes in, both main screen and dial/pod flip over to show the telephone details. Neither the buttons on the main screen nor the steering wheel controls can reselect the navigation, you have to wait until the call ends.
Unless this is a setting that someone can tell me how to turn off...
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