No-one wants to buy Tuscans any more?!
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I think the biggest problem with a lot of TVRs is the marketing. Most TVR dealers and specialists are shamefully bad at marketing a car correctly, after all not many of them can even use a computer! Bad low resolution imagery, nowhere near enough detail, no chassis photos.
You’ve got to get it right first time with these cars as there isn’t a large enough pool of potential buyers to lose someone’s interest. As soon as a car has sat for a few months, people assume there’s a story and it then becomes ten times harder.
You’ve got to get it right first time with these cars as there isn’t a large enough pool of potential buyers to lose someone’s interest. As soon as a car has sat for a few months, people assume there’s a story and it then becomes ten times harder.
LLantrisant said:
see how Lotus cars (typically the Elise...whatever model&year) have such a good standing on the market , prices have rized and they are much easier to sell....and they are more realiable than any (modern) TVR.
OK, I’ll bite.Really??? I’ve owned my 21 year old Chim from new & covered nearly 100,000 miles. I’ve had just 1 breakdown to date.
Lots of garbage written about TVRs.
LLantrisant said:
see how Lotus cars (typically the Elise...whatever model&year) have such a good standing on the market , prices have rized and they are much easier to sell....and they are more realiable than any (modern) TVR.
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?LLantrisant said:
see how Lotus cars (typically the Elise...whatever model&year) have such a good standing on the market , prices have rized and they are much easier to sell....and they are more realiable than any (modern) TVR.
I think he must be Welsh ... "rized" ? In England we say "risen".Maybe a future employee for Les .
I sold my Sag for £80k 6 years ago in a month only advertising on PH when it was 11 years old.
jev said:
As a previous poster said, this car has done <2000 miles in the last 10 years. In my view that means one needs to budget for a full recommission. At £35k, I think that makes it far too expensive.
Just my 2p worth.
Agreed with this, would put me off. I'd want (and indeed bought) a car that's been used. Just my 2p worth.
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?
4 wedges (my most reliable TVR´s), 2 chim´s 400 , 1 griffith 500 and now a Cerbera.besides the wedges all others were/are totally unreliable....maybe enough to drive to your local pub....but bigger distances is always a gamble.....sometimes you are lucky....often not.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 8th September 23:34
LLantrisant said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?
4 wedges (my most reliable TVR´s), 2 chim´s 400 , 1 griffith 500 and now a Cerbera.besides the wedges all others were/are totally unreliable....maybe enough to drive to your local pub....but bigger distances is always a gamble.....sometimes you are lucky....often not.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 8th September 23:34
Best ignored imo.
bad company said:
LLantrisant said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?
4 wedges (my most reliable TVR´s), 2 chim´s 400 , 1 griffith 500 and now a Cerbera.besides the wedges all others were/are totally unreliable....maybe enough to drive to your local pub....but bigger distances is always a gamble.....sometimes you are lucky....often not.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 8th September 23:34
Best ignored imo.
I had a Cerbera from new. It never left me stranded but the build quality was shocking fwiw.
LLantrisant said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?
4 wedges (my most reliable TVR´s), 2 chim´s 400 , 1 griffith 500 and now a Cerbera.besides the wedges all others were/are totally unreliable....maybe enough to drive to your local pub....but bigger distances is always a gamble.....sometimes you are lucky....often not.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 8th September 23:34
My Cerbera has only let me down once with a failed clutch master, 22 year old part broke its return Spring while at Spa.
Use it all the time road and track, it is bullet proof.
Two friends with Lotus both have had issues.
gruffalo said:
LLantrisant said:
Jurgen Schmidt said:
Sounds like you are sober today. Have you ever owned a TVR?
4 wedges (my most reliable TVR´s), 2 chim´s 400 , 1 griffith 500 and now a Cerbera.besides the wedges all others were/are totally unreliable....maybe enough to drive to your local pub....but bigger distances is always a gamble.....sometimes you are lucky....often not.
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 8th September 23:34
My Cerbera has only let me down once with a failed clutch master, 22 year old part broke its return Spring while at Spa.
Use it all the time road and track, it is bullet proof.
Two friends with Lotus both have had issues.
I've never had a Lotus because, although I think they're fun to drive, all my chums who've had them have experienced frequent problems.
craigjm said:
On top of what 2gins says there is a whole generation of drivers now that have no idea what a TVR is and probably a generation before that think of them more as a niche kit car thing. The market can be savage when recognition is not there.
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).I bet there's more 50 and 60 something owners looking to get out of their TVR's than there are 20 and 30 somethings looking to buy.
I've toyed with selling my Chim, it hasn't been used once since the kids came along but I just know I'd get reamed so I'll leave it in the garage for Jonny Smith to dig out in 20 or 30 years.
ChocolateFrog said:
craigjm said:
On top of what 2gins says there is a whole generation of drivers now that have no idea what a TVR is and probably a generation before that think of them more as a niche kit car thing. The market can be savage when recognition is not there.
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).I bet there's more 50 and 60 something owners looking to get out of their TVR's than there are 20 and 30 somethings looking to buy.
I've toyed with selling my Chim, it hasn't been used once since the kids came along but I just know I'd get reamed so I'll leave it in the garage for Jonny Smith to dig out in 20 or 30 years.
We had something like 17 TVRs at a local show last weekend & I reckon only 2 or 3 of the drivers were under 40 (and maybe one was a passenger). A shame really - the young ones don't know what they're missing!
ChocolateFrog said:
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).
I bet there's more 50 and 60 something owners looking to get out of their TVR's than there are 20 and 30 somethings looking to buy.
I've toyed with selling my Chim, it hasn't been used once since the kids came along but I just know I'd get reamed so I'll leave it in the garage for Jonny Smith to dig out in 20 or 30 years.
I bought my Tuscan at 29 and definitely bring the average age down massively at the local TVRCC meetings. I think the average age at those is probably somewhere above 60. I bet there's more 50 and 60 something owners looking to get out of their TVR's than there are 20 and 30 somethings looking to buy.
I've toyed with selling my Chim, it hasn't been used once since the kids came along but I just know I'd get reamed so I'll leave it in the garage for Jonny Smith to dig out in 20 or 30 years.
I think a lot of it is most people under 40 can't (or at least, think they can't given horror stories) afford to run them, given less straightforward to get finance versus newer cars, perceived risks of big bills and the fact they really have to be a second car nowadays (or at least few are still winning to daily drive).
Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 11th September 11:48
ChocolateFrog said:
That's broadly what I was thinking. I'd say TVR people are generally what? 40+ (que lots of owners under 40 piping up).
I was 22 when I bought my Tamora last year... but I have very different tastes to most 22 year olds. A friend of mine said to me the other day that he didnt get the TVR thing until we were at a car show togeather. His C63 got practically ignored while everyone wanted pictures of the TVR. Nothing compares to the drama and experiance of a TVR.
At the same show I had a young lad about 12 years old come up to me who was very clued into the TVR history. If we want the next generation to aspire to the brand we must ensure we are feeding that passion and we dont turn them away.
Maybe there is hope yet!
Don't confuse car club meetings with average owners though.
How many people buy a brand new Rolls Royce, and then sit in a field at an owners club event, surrounded by people trying to promote their wedding banger Shadow from 1977, to couples getting married, who might want some transport?
How many people buy a brand new Rolls Royce, and then sit in a field at an owners club event, surrounded by people trying to promote their wedding banger Shadow from 1977, to couples getting married, who might want some transport?
LucyP said:
Don't confuse car club meetings with average owners though.
How many people buy a brand new Rolls Royce, and then sit in a field at an owners club event, surrounded by people trying to promote their wedding banger Shadow from 1977, to couples getting married, who might want some transport?
You can't buy a TVR brand new though - they're only really owned as second cars by enthusiasts today. Though, admittedly, car club events probably attract a certain sort - I don't go to so many anymore unless, as there's only so much talking about TVRs I can do.How many people buy a brand new Rolls Royce, and then sit in a field at an owners club event, surrounded by people trying to promote their wedding banger Shadow from 1977, to couples getting married, who might want some transport?
Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 11th September 14:50
I guess TVR's are just an old car make now. My 11 year old son hadn't heard of them until I bought a wedge last year and he knows every sportscar on the market (thank the XBox for that!). I saw a 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2 Coupe at the weekend at a show in really good original condition for £37500. A year or so ago that would have been £50k+. Like it or lump it, the market is slowly collapsing for these types of cars. It was always going to happen.
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